Star Wars: The Last Jedi (Dec 15th, 2017)

[Adolfo]

Just heard from M Night Shyamalan....stated that all 23 personalities from Split hated TLJ....Rotten Tomatoes folks are so right... fact

 

[jye4ever]

Well I'm not disputing your anecdotal experience and obviously we can all state how much our own friends/families/coworkers all echo our own opinions but at the end of the day it's still a critically acclaimed and highly profitable film and there's just no reason to dispute that. Pointing out one country that hated it and one site (that is opt-in no less) with reviews lower than all the others to "prove" a narrative of disaster or to use those two individual anomalies as proof that everyone else is out of touch with reality or that "this is why Trump won" is pretty laughable and that's putting it lightly.

I've said it before but I really think that TLJ is the SW version of IM3. There's no denying that it's divisive, or that many fans were even outraged, but whether someone loved or hated it seems to mostly come down to how any given person wanted the story to go rather than just weighing in on how well they told the story that *they* wanted to tell. Because if the Mandarin was always supposed to be this wacky impostor then IM3 captured that magnificently, if Luke was "supposed" to drink green milk from a sea cow then again, the execution of TLJ was fantastic. And that seems to be the sticking point for most people who hate it; the fact that it didn't follow their head canon the way they deemed it was "supposed to."

Now I'm no slave to execution at the expense of all other elements. For instance I do find TDKR annoying that they had Bruce just leave Gotham to fend for itself at the end. I think that that makes his character weaker, the film less satisfying, and even hurts the entire trilogy. So I can understand people feeling that Luke is portrayed in a way that turns them off to this whole trilogy and that's certainly an interesting topic of discussion. But I don't consider TDKR to be a "bad" film even if it didn't take the character to the place I wanted him to be. I also don't consider the first Avengers flick to be "bad" even though I pretty much write the whole thing off on account of how stupid Cap looks and acts in the film. That's just my irrational inner fan overruling the film critic in me which I think is what is happening with many SW fans in the case of TLJ.

Khev I walked into TLJ with incorrect expectations.

I’m thinking ok Luke needs his Vader lightsaber moment it must happen or else!

Luke needed to kill 20 stormtroopers or 20 dark jedi with a lightsaber to solidify the true bad ass that he was.

Did those happen, nope!

I was wrong, Vader needed his Vader lightsaber moment not Luke!

Luke even threw away his saber in ROTJ in the throne room during a fight!

Luke was about channeling the will of the force like when concentrating about the exhaust port in ANH.

Luke had his samurai showdown but not with a saber it was with his connection to the force.

That for me was just as exciting to see Luke interacting with the force in that manner as it was seeing Vader’s lightsaber moment in RO.

 

[Adolfo]

Khev I walked into TLJ with incorrect expectations.

I’m thinking ok Luke needs his Vader lightsaber moment it must happen or else!

Luke needed to kill 20 stormtroopers or 20 dark jedi with a lightsaber to solidify the true bad ass that he was.

Did those happen, nope!

I was wrong, Vader needed his Vader lightsaber moment not Luke!

Luke even threw away his saber in ROTJ in the throne room during a fight!

Luke was about channeling the will of the force like when concentrating about the exhaust port in ANH.

Luke had his samurai showdown but not with a saber it was with his connection to the force.

That for me was just as exciting to see Luke interacting with the force in that manner as it was seeing Vader’s lightsaber moment in RO.

You IZZ wrong....Luke and all had a connection to the antifa side of the force.....created by Kennedy and Disney...today's force is Dark, Light, and now new Rainbow flavored

 

[Adolfo]

As Palpatine would have said if Disney had him " I am the Skype"

Only Death, good Drugs, or Kaiju can SAVE Star Wars now

Jurassic Park Samuel Jackson's arm on the chain link Fence > TLJ

Never thought I would say this, but man the dark times were the good times in Star Wars...

If Han shot Greedo today....he woulda helped the bartender sweep too lol

Blue milk > TLJ milk

 

[jye4ever]

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I saw this comment on a youtube SW TLJ video

As an Asian living in Asia, we really don't care about seeing Asians in Hollywood movies. All of our movies are Asians in Asia doing Asian things, we have no need or want to see any more Asians in any more movies. And Asia is home to 70% of the world's population with 50 countries, we are not the same people, putting a Vietnamese actress into a movie means absolutely nothing to China. We've enjoyed watching Hollywood films for decades, we don't care that there weren't any Asians, we only care if the films are enjoyable

He or she might not be Asian, but who knows? Makes sense.

 

[jye4ever]

Wait those were all asians in all of those 36 Chambers of Shaolin Monks kung fu movies I grew up watching.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I find it funny that he says that there are 50 Asian countries and they are not all the same, but he's speaking for all 50 countries and all those billions of people

 

[Wor-Gar]

American actor...

 

[jye4ever]

If I had to commute in one of those trains in China I would never go to the movies lol

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

American actor...

That's not so bad. He looks Asian. John Wayne or Sean Connery with his hairy chest pretending to be Asian =

 

[jye4ever]

I thought that was Edward James Olmos lol

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

It's Mickey Rooney.

 

[TaliBane]

American actor...

Recently sat down to watch Breakfast at Tiffany's - whoa. I was amazed that the movie has resonance for so many modern-era women (seemed like in the 1990's everyone had a BaT poster; maybe that song.)

 

[Adolfo]

Youtube Bruce Lee lightsaber scene > TLJ

 

[Adolfo]

If I had to commute in one of those trains in China I would never go to the movies lol

Sideshow statues are assembled and painted on those trains....Sideshow QC is done on the express train

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Youtube Bruce Lee lightsaber scene > TLJ

Well, yeah...it's Bruce ******* Lee.

 

[Adolfo]

even Felix the Cat and his magic bag can't help Star Wars

 

[Adolfo]

Johnny Socko's giant robot blew himself up after watching TLJ

 

[JAWS]

Well I'm not disputing your anecdotal experience and obviously we can all state how much our own friends/families/coworkers all echo our own opinions but at the end of the day it's still a critically acclaimed and highly profitable film and there's just no reason to dispute that. Pointing out one country that hated it and one site (that is opt-in no less) with reviews lower than all the others to "prove" a narrative of disaster or to use those two individual anomalies as proof that everyone else is out of touch with reality or that "this is why Trump won" is pretty laughable and that's putting it lightly.

Oh without question.. I know that I am referring to just my small population size.. I just find that interesting that the people around me line up more with the people here, you tube, and RT.. Maybe everyone in Waverly NY USA wrote all the RT reviews

I agree that trying to negate the films worth by the money it made is a useless task.. But that is why I point to the inflation adjustment which shows that as a SW film goes its not as popular as most of the series...

I tend to disagree with you about this film not making a ton of bank because the wow factor wore off.. It was a Star Wars film.. A Star Wars film that was a follow up to a very popular SW film and A Star Wars film with Luke Skywalker.. If anything I think this film under preformed (adjusted for inflation wise)

Of course it does have to compete with Streaming and all of that so I will grant you that Adjusted for Inflation is not the end all be all but its closer then total Box office I think

I've said it before but I really think that TLJ is the SW version of IM3. There's no denying that it's divisive, or that many fans were even outraged, but whether someone loved or hated it seems to mostly come down to how any given person wanted the story to go rather than just weighing in on how well they told the story that *they* wanted to tell. Because if the Mandarin was always supposed to be this wacky impostor then IM3 captured that magnificently, if Luke was "supposed" to drink green milk from a sea cow then again, the execution of TLJ was fantastic. And that seems to be the sticking point for most people who hate it; the fact that it didn't follow their head canon the way they deemed it was "supposed to."

Yep.. I have compared it to IM3 also.

As for expectations.. I would agree that some did not like the path it took.. But IMO it still came down to execution with the story and that is what hurt the film.. You can film something the best way possible but if your story sucks.. So what? Kong Skull Isand was beautifully filmed and probably is the story the director wanted to tell.. Why didn't you and Jye like it then? Why don;t I still like it?

There does seem to be a lot of focus on Snoke's back story, What Luke would and Would not do, and Rey's parents.. But there is a lot more issues with this film then just "It did not go the way I wanted it to go"

I would say that is the complaint for most bad films.. It did not go the way we wanted it to go.

Now I'm no slave to execution at the expense of all other elements. For instance I do find TDKR annoying that they had Bruce just leave Gotham to fend for itself at the end. I think that that makes his character weaker, the film less satisfying, and even hurts the entire trilogy. So I can understand people feeling that Luke is portrayed in a way that turns them off to this whole trilogy and that's certainly an interesting topic of discussion. But I don't consider TDKR to be a "bad" film even if it didn't take the character to the place I wanted him to be. I also don't consider the first Avengers flick to be "bad" even though I pretty much write the whole thing off on account of how stupid Cap looks and acts in the film. That's just my irrational inner fan overruling the film critic in me which I think is what is happening with many SW fans in the case of TLJ

Maybe Luke is the major issue for most.. Perhaps I just see the complaints that tend to agree with me and ignore the other issues. But I have seen many complaints about the story structure and the lack of character growth in this film.. Or is that that all just me

I am with you on TDKR and feel that the film hurt the trilogy as a whole.. Jeepers Bruce Wayne is Batman for like a total of a year. Thats just silly.. However I find that the film suffers in many other ways that has nothing to do with Batman.

And that is how I feel about TLJ. Many other issues then just one character.

As for the Avengers.. You are aware he takes off that stupid Helmet during the final battle right?? SO not all is lost

Besides Avengers is way better then TLJ


Anyways.. Why the hell am I back in here discussing this film

Life was much more peaceful in the Statue threads

I guess I just keep coming in here to check on You and Jye just to make sure you are OK.