Star Wars vs Star Trek: I've just traded allegiance.

[The Mike]

Wonder how Trek fandom will be impacted by new members in the gene pool. Trekkies have always been a pretty hardcore yet quiet group... seem to keep to themselves more than other fan groups.

A lot of them from what I've read are dividing. They are treating the newer fans like a flash in the pan stuff and not willing to acknowledge them as Trekkies. I've read in a few sites where really hardcore Trek fans are a bit annoyed with the new reboot bringing so many new fans. Its like someone showing the general populus where your secret clubhouse is. The majority I think won't really care but the real Fanboy will reject it. There is a difference though between the Trekkie and the Neo-Trekkie, I am definitely in the new group who love this film and anxious to see it become a franchise and want stuff from it like props and/or figures but I have no desire to go back to the other source material.

Good, so Star Wars fans have not felt the need to come up with an official label to make themselves seem cooler (and by cooler I mean lamer). Firefly fanatics call themselves Browncoats, and they are quite similar to Trekkies. I love Firefly too, but I tend to gravitate away from people who include themselves in under a label. That's one thing cool about being a fan of Star Wars over most things; no label.

Star Wars fans have been calling themselves Jedi for a long time now. They are not cooler or different than any other fandom group.

Yeah, I never associated fanboy only with SW... I figured it was more of a general term. First time I ever remember seeing it anywhere was Lobo saying it

This definition pretty much sums it up. All of us have various levels of Fanboydom...

Fanboy is a term used to describe any one who is devoted to a single subject in an emotional or fanatical manner, or to a single point of view within that subject, often to the point where it is considered an obsession

 

[SilentSurfer]

I have never heard of SW fans calling themselves Jedi. I grew up with it, and this thread is the first I've heard of that. Certainly OT fans don't. I never have called myself a Jedi. And, yes, we are more special. Of at least we used to be.

 

[The Mike]

I've never seen a million dollars, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Personal experience doesn't reality make. Star Wars fans are just as Fanboy as Comic Book fans, Trekkies, Browncoats its the same ideal just different source material.

 

[Bastilla]

I saw the new Star Trek movie last night, and DAMN!, that is one amazing movie. It had all the advantages of modern movie making, yet it felt real like the OT Star Wars movies once did. Opinions are bound to vary, and I welcome all of them in this thread, but as a life long Star Wars fan somewhat disapointed with Nazi Lucas's green screen CG obsessed prequels, and a not-fan of the cheezy, goody good geek fest that used to be Star Trek, I have to say that the tide has finally turned. It felt like a kick to the balls to admit it last night, but it's happened. Star Trek is now the sh1t, and Star Wars is the toilet paper. Star Trek owns the space wars genre now. It even had real aliens in it, not just people with different foreheads and skin color.

Spoiler

I won't give anything away, except to say that this is not your typical reboot the way Batman just started over. This keeps the canon of the original series without suggesting that none of it happened. In fact, it very much suggests that all of it did happen. This story really begins in the current saga where Picard is an Admiral and Nimoy is still the original Spock. Through an event that throws Nimoy Spock and a Romulan super ship into the past (this movie's timeline at the moment of James Kirk's birth), the destinies of Kirk and all the Federation are forever altered. Major characters and even worlds will have new histories, but it happens in such a way that in no way means that everything fans have loved before never took place.

The best thing about this movie is that it allows Star Trek to go wherever it wants to now in a way that actually pays homage to what came before. It uses the legend that was the original series, and makes it current. The original actors have been replaced, but the iconic characters are very much present, alive and ready to give old and new fans what they expect, hope for, and didn't know they could do.

You want to see this movie. This is the Star Trek that must go on. Star Wars has been dying for me, and Star Trek just put the last nail in the coffin.

See ya! Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Star Wars will live. You won't be missed.

 

[icruise]

I hope people don't seriously think of themselves as somehow superior others because of the SF franchise they like best. We should really be sticking together against the rest of the world, because we're clearly better than those douchebags.

 

[The Mike]

 

[OSCORP]

This thread is all kinds of.....

 

[Wor-Gar]

In a way, I actually think the tone of this new ST movie has more in common with the SW OT than it does with the old Star Trek films. It's not as stilted as some of the older movies. Like the SW OT, this Star Trek has a refreshing sense of humor that is based in its characters, and those characters have a wonderful likeability (something that the SW PT is sorely lacking). Oh yeah, and they can act.

Anyway, I see a commonality now that I never felt before between the two.

No sacrilege intended.

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

He's new...he'll learn

 

[SilentSurfer]

I hope people don't seriously think of themselves as somehow superior others because of the SF franchise they like best. We should really be sticking together against the rest of the world, because we're clearly better than those douchebags.

I'll toke my inhaler to that.

 

[SilentSurfer]

He's new...he'll learn

But he's getting old real fast.

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

But he's getting old real fast.

Use the ignore feature..its great!

 

[Darth Snoopy]

I hope people don't seriously think of themselves as somehow superior others because of the SF franchise they like best. We should really be sticking together against the rest of the world, because we're clearly better than those douchebags.

I'll toke my inhaler to that.

I hope you brought enough for everybody (unless it's an Albuterol inhaler)!

 

[galactiboy]

But he's getting old real fast.

That is pretty damn funny right there

 

[SilentSurfer]

Use the ignore feature..its great!

Yes.

 

[DarthNeil]

This thread can be closed if we're going to degenerate into name-calling rather than having a spirited debate. Keep the mudslinging out of here please guys.

 

[d_jedi1]

As my ID probably attests, I'm a lifelong SW fan... BUT I grew up on Star Wars, Star Trek, James Bond, Indiana Jones, BSG... you get the drift.
I'm a fan of them all and while I may have a little bit more love for SW, I have always kept Trek close in my heart.

This film did at times feel more like SW than Trek and thats a good thing, it will only serve to widen the fan base. I'm not telling anyone to "convert" just asking them to explore new possibilities.

It's not a sin to enjoy sci-fi outside of your usual forte.

then too, Mr. Shatner might have a thing to say (warning, there IS some language after the kid explains why he was in a fight, you might not want the kiddies to hear it...) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWq54c9_td4

 

[SilentSurfer]

This thread can be closed if we're going to degenerate into name-calling rather than having a spirited debate. Keep the mudslinging out of here please guys.

Thanks for deleting my comment, but not Bastilla's. His crappy manners on this forum are still present in his personal attack at me, but my reply is now gone. This is the second time in two different threads. How bout some restrictions on him for being a * all the time? I would love to stay on topic, but his attitude derails it every time.

If there seriously is an ignore button that I don't know about, please let me know where it is.

 

[*Bill]

I haven't seen the new Star Trek film yet, but I am definitely going to. I have been a Star Wars fan since I saw it opening day in 1977, but have also been a fan of the original Star Trek series since as far back as I can remember; in all it's cheezyness it is still enjoyable to me... in fact, in a lot of ways, that is what makes it enjoyable to me.

The difference; Star Wars is almost a way of life to me. Star Trek is certainly enjoyable to me in it's own right. However, the movie could rock, and be one of the best films that I have ever seen, but Star Wars is still MORE to me than a film... it's a lifetime of memories and nostalgia. Why? I really don't know. I imagine that it works the same way for the trekkies of the world.

I could really never understand the battle between both fans. I always felt that it was some juvenile, testosterone foolishness between the uber-geeks of both franchises. The human race loves to argue and compete as if the well being of every living creature on this planet depended on them alone by raising one franchise to the top. Why does one have to dislike one, or the other? I choose both, and have friends who love both... and the kicker is; we don't try to criticize each other about each franchise, we enjoy talking about them.

 

[DarthNeil]

Thanks for deleting my comment, but not Bastilla's. His crappy manners on this forum are still present in his personal attack at me, but my reply is now gone. This is the second time in two different threads. How bout some restrictions on him for being a * all the time? I would love to stay on topic, but his attitude derails it every time.

If there seriously is an ignore button that I don't know about, please let me know where it is.

Bastilla's comment was rude and that's been pointed out privately-- You attempted to bypass the language filter and if you'll take a moment to read the site's rules you'll see that that's not allowed. That's why your post was deleted. Please save the sarcastic "thank you" for someone else. If you have a problem with how I'm (or any moderator is) moderating a section please feel free to pass along a complaint to the main administrator, Dave.

If you don't like another member's attitude then IGNORE them. I'll get the info to you about the ignore feature.