Supreme Court has spoken - No need for investigation into Ohio Voter Fraud

[CelticPredator]

Oh ok. No worries then.

 

[The Ween]

I don't think it's overblown. I think the left if trying to quickly dismiss it and hope it fals through the cracks, as has Rev. Wright, Ayers, etc.

This is how I understand it, and I may be completely off as I haven't researched it that well. ACORN was making it as easily as possible to register groups of people that will most likely cast ballots for Obama. Obama represented Obama during some legal issues and Obama and ACORN are financially tied to one another. So it's in ACORN's best interest to get Obama elected. That in itself is a conflict of interest, but that's a whole other story. So while ACORN is registering people to vote, they are also casting early ballots, on the same day. This is the problem and big concern. There is already numerous examples of fraudulent voter registration (Mickey Mouse, Dallas Cowboys, registering 73X, convicted criminals registering, homeless people potentially registering in multiple counties of same state, etc etc. etc.) So obviously, the McCain people are concerned. I'm concerned. In Ohio, an official asked the secretary of state to look into the situation and see if the early ballots that had been cast are legitimate. This is a difficult process, because remember, once you cast a ballot, it is ANONYMOUS. You don't want the govt to know who you voted for. And this anonymous ballot and the letter it came in get separated when it comes in, and once that traceability is lost, there is NO WAY to tell how many of the received ballots are legitimate. So the state was asked to look into the process and see if voter fraud was occurring by yesterday (Friday) The secretary of state of Ohio basically said it's too hard to do, and she appealed to the Supreme court to file for an extension, and Supreme Court said she didn't even need to look into it.

https://ridgeliner7.wordpress.com/2008/10/07/fraud-potential-impacted-by-early-voting/

I find it extremely interesting that Obama's people and ACORN are only commiting voter registration/early ballot fraud in swing states. In the blue states where they know they'll win, no need to cheat. In swing states (Ohio, Nevada, Florida, etc.) these additional fraudulent votes can only help his cause.

I also find it extremely unprofessional that our potential future president isn't addressing the problem. If it were me, I would go on record, address the public, and say I don't approve of any voter fraud if it is happening, and if I win this election, I want it to be a fair process, not an election won through illegal and criminal acts. Obama will not live down this conspiracy, it will follow him his entire campaign. It will make it very difficult for republicans to accept him as their leader when there is doubt if he should even be in the white house to begin with.

There is voter fraud on both sides every election and I'm sure the candidates don't endorse it. Like I said before, the 2004 election was full of voter fraud and mysteriously disappearing votes, all in important states.

As for Obama, I've heard him say to reporters that he doesn't condone it, etc. How much control he'd have over ACORN or other groups like this is unknown to me.

I didn't watch the debates, but if McCain didn't bring it up, then I'm sure he doesn't think there's much importance to it. You can only vote once, with ID, and in the right precinct, so I doubt if the yahoos that those lazy ACORN people signed up will even show up to even vote once.

 

[Entropy]

Obama will not live down this conspiracy

I agree with you there, conspiracy fans and those who dislike or distrust Obama will continue to do so no matter how good his Presidency might be. Even if all the hype pans out and an Obama presidency is recorded by history to be a great one that cleaned up much of the GWB disaster, I'm convinced these people will hate on Obama to their grave.

And Obama is on the record denouncing voter fraud.

 

[LordAzrael]

As Obama said in the debate and I said in a past thread - seems like some people got lazy and made up names. It's only fraud if anyone tries to vote. Otherwise it's just laziness on the part of the registrars.

Obama's election could only possibly be tainted if it's a remotely close race - and it doesn't appear that will be the case.

Actually its a criminal offence in most jurisdictions around the world to file a false registration - and I'd be surprised if its any different in the USA. But I guess if its the Dems then that makes it ok.

Ever noticed how when a Dem is done for fraud its just a Senator or Congressman without party affiliation - but when its a Republican done for fraud (cos greed knows no political boundaries) party affiliation is in the first paragraph of the story ?

 

[man_vs_machine]

Haha, well if he said it then it must be so! What's he gonna say, he loves it? Absolutely right though, I'm sure it happens on both sides. The hypocricy is in 2004 all the Dems ranted and raved and now that it's on their side it's no big deal. Same thing with the name calling. Everyone has been calling Bush an idiot and much worse for the last 8 years and now all of a sudden calling Obama a name is a big deal. LOL whatever! But that's funny that someone who can barely drive is telling me that my argument has no merit cuz it's "mean"! That's a good one. I wasn't insulting Obama, I was telling you what i think he is and I gave a little proof to back it up. If you don't like the words i used to describe him then that's fine, but I don't like your point of view either. I'm not the one getting personal over it. Life experience = knowledge. Glad to hear you think all that matters is kindness CelticP. If only it were that simple

 

[LordAzrael]

Ugh. this is such a silly overblown news story.

Some people were hired to register people & got lazy and filled out Mickey Mouse, Dallas Cowboys n such. Legally these forms must be kept and turned in for evaluation, which is exactly what was done. As Dave pointed out, it's not voter fraud unless someone turns up and tries to use an id with the name "Dallas Cowboys".

The one shining part of this election for me is that some people have revealed themselves to be quite ignorant and foolish with name calling and hyperbolic vitriol.

The whole point of the law suit was that the State did not have any procedure to detect false registrations - and that they were seeking relief from having to impliment any such procedures!

So what the court has said is the state is not required to have a procedure in place to detect false registrations.

Welcome to the death of democracy.

 

[man_vs_machine]

Ever notice how Obama is for the working American but yet all of his major campaign supporters are the Mega millionaire celebrities? Am I the only one who finds that fishy? He goes to private A list parties for campaign contributions and has all the special interest groups like Planned Parenthood, NAACP etc all over him yet McCain is the guy who's all for special interest groups. LOL

 

[Mesa]

There is voter fraud on both sides every election and I'm sure the candidates don't endorse it. Like I said before, the 2004 election was full of voter fraud and mysteriously disappearing votes, all in important states.

As for Obama, I've heard him say to reporters that he doesn't condone it, etc. How much control he'd have over ACORN or other groups like this is unknown to me.

I didn't watch the debates, but if McCain didn't bring it up, then I'm sure he doesn't think there's much importance to it. You can only vote once, with ID, and in the right precinct, so I doubt if the yahoos that those lazy ACORN people signed up will even show up to even vote once.

Sure it's existed all along, from both sides, but to this extent? I mean this is a major assault on the voting system. I've read that in Ohio alone as many as ~200,000 of the ~600,000 voter registrations were suspect and didn't match any records. 33%. That's a HUGE number, anyway you look at it, and even if only a percentage of those manage to slip through whatever checking system is in place, it's certainly enough to sway the election in Obama's favor. And now with the Supreme court saying Ohio doesn't have to do anything further to verify the legitimacy of the received registration/early ballots, it certainly doesn't pass the smell test IMO. Something isn't right here. What's the harm in checking that each early ballot is from a single person registered and qualified to vote and not a duplicate vote?

https://www.nypost.com/seven/10172008/news/nationalnews/high_court_sides_with_ohio_in_voter_regi_134052.htm

About 200,000 of 666,000 voters who have registered in Ohio since Jan. 1 have records that don't match. Brunner has said the discrepancies most likely stem from innocent clerical errors rather than fraud but has set up a verification plan.

 

[Darklord Dave]

For Obama to comment on it would give it merit, whereas he and many others think it's no more than laziness on the part of the ACORN workers.

For him to address it would be like answering the question "have you stopped beating your wife?"

 

[CelticPredator]

Haha, well if he said it then it must be so! What's he gonna say, he loves it? Absolutely right though, I'm sure it happens on both sides. The hypocricy is in 2004 all the Dems ranted and raved and now that it's on their side it's no big deal. Same thing with the name calling. Everyone has been calling Bush an idiot and much worse for the last 8 years and now all of a sudden calling Obama a name is a big deal. LOL whatever! But that's funny that someone who can barely drive is telling me that my argument has no merit cuz it's "mean"! That's a good one. I wasn't insulting Obama, I was telling you what i think he is and I gave a little proof to back it up. If you don't like the words i used to describe him then that's fine, but I don't like your point of view either. I'm not the one getting personal over it. Life experience = knowledge. Glad to hear you think all that matters is kindness CelticP. If only it were that simple

Calling Bush an idiot, and leaving it at that is just as bad. Same if someone called McCain an idiot, and left it at that.

Im not getting personal over it either. It just makes you sound immature, and uneducated.

 

[Entropy]

I'd think it'd be wiser to wait until after people actually vote to make comparisons between this incident and the cases of voter fraud and discrimination that occurred during the 2000 and 2004 elections.

 

[barbelith]

Republican shenanigans?

https://www.wvgazette.com/News/200810170676

 

[LordAzrael]

Republican shenanigans?

https://www.wvgazette.com/News/200810170676

If they were to do it I doubt they would bother in Jackson County. Republican's constitute 67% of registered voters there. I think mechanical failure is much more likely.


https://projects.rockymountainnews.com/apps/news/politics/elections/jackson-county-colorado/

In any event that article also states that "up to 400 voters" may have been affected - somewhat short of the 200,000 false registrations noted above.

Nice attempt at deflection though

 

[hoodonit00]

Regardless of their views, they sure as hell arent jerks.

Oh my God, you must be joking.

 

[CelticPredator]

I am not. I've never seen Keith freak out at an atheist, or a 16 year old kid. No sir.

 

[hoodonit00]

So i'm not mature cuz Obama is a maggot? Interesting. I'm from chicago originally and I know a hell of a lot more about him then you do. The Media propaganda machine has all you fooled. Guess the day Rev. Wright gave his anti white/america hate speech Obama must have been missed church right? But he does have ungodly ammount of non attendance for the short term he's been in the office. O'riley is great cuz he calls it like he sees it. I don't need nice, I want honest. You want socialism go and talk to someone from Tibet and get their take on it. "spread the wealth" And Change isn't always good ya know, some things change for the worse like America is going to find real quick if that baby killing, Racist, MAGGOT gets into office. And i didn't ask for your permission to say what i felt like saying CelticP. I said it cuz the liberals haven't completely abolished the 2nd amendment yet.

Here here sir! Here here. Molon Labe.

 

[hoodonit00]

It's posters like you that get these threads closed down. Your statement of your opinion is inflammatory, doesn't advance the discussion and this post is just more of the same. If you can't be civil please refrain from posting at all.

I liked his post.

 

[CelticPredator]

A lot of republicans are really really agressive. Calm down.

 

[hoodonit00]

One more year. But that has nothing to do with anything. You can still read, and learn about these things without being an adult.

So, you're not even out of high school yet?

 

[CelticPredator]

Nope. But hey.

See? Now you are attacking me. Agrrrrreeeessssivvveeeeee.....