Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

[karamazov80]

You've never seen The Last Starfighter OR Spacehunter? What were you DOING in the 80's?

Of course I saw Last Starfighter. Had that sumbitch on Betamax.

 

[Khev]

Make sure you read the rest of my post, I added a little bit on the end.

 

[RIDDICK]

Pretty sure that at some point of watchin' Gaynessis with my friends I'll be like...

 

[DiFabio]

It's funny you bring up BTTF II Khev, it's on AMC right now as I speak. It just started and I'm watching it now!

 

[Boba Ben]

 

[Khev]

It's funny you bring up BTTF II Khev, it's on AMC right now as I speak. It just started and I'm watching it now!

I saw your post and switched to AMC in time for Marty to see this:

Funny to compare that to what we really got in theaters in 2015:

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I finally saw Terminator Genemess, and even though it's a piece of **** on almost every conceivable level imaginable, I was entertained by the silliness and the absurdity in what hopefully is the final chapter of what was once a great franchise. This is my new Batman and Robin.... it's so bad is good. I'll watch it again, eventually.

 

[GasparZizou]

Welp, I saw Terminator Genisys.

Absolutely abhorred it, even kind of felt insulted a bit to be honest. When the end credits rolled up and it was playing that awful hip hop music, I wanted to go punch Arnold in the face.

I kek'd at this

 

[a-dev]

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really had developed "feelings" for Sarah that he masked due to his directive to protect her. I think that either due to his length of time in the field or special new programming from whoever sent him he actually did become capable of "knowing now why you cry." And I "got" what was in my mind a parallel to Arnold himself. That beneath the robotic gestures and funny (and sometimes not funny) one-liners that he actually did care about making a good movie and entertaining people. Maybe he's become Riggan from Birdman or something trying to recapture relevance or whatever but I felt that he was trying to do justice to this series and this movie. And again "in character" I thought that Pops really did "love" Sarah even if he himself didn't fully understand how or why.

So that really gave Genisys some emotional weight for me.

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Wow, so they went there. A T-800 actually feeling emotion. Dammit even T2 knew not to mess with the Raptor fences. They totally missed the point of the line ''I know now why you cry but it's something I can never do'' - I refuse to believe he was simply saying that he cannot physically cry He has to have something keeping his eyes wet. And he didn't learn the value of human life - that was Sarah projecting onto him what she wanted to think

 

[Khev]

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Wow, so they went there. A T-800 actually feeling emotion. Dammit even T2 knew not to mess with the Raptor fences. They totally missed the point of the line ''I know now why you cry but it's something I can never do'' - I refuse to believe he was simply saying that he cannot physically cry He has to have something keeping his eyes wet. And he didn't learn the value of human life - that was Sarah projecting onto him what she wanted to think

*I* interpreted them as going there, but I'm curious as to whether others felt the same. And I'm very glad they did. Do I wish that T2 "went there?" No way, that story was best with Uncle Bob not being able to. Question for you a-dev, why do you think the T-1000 was screaming when it was in the steel? It had no tactical reason to do that. I think T2 hinted that the super advanced new models that Skynet was rolling out were capable of a little more...and TG continued with that notion.

You don't have to take it that way though.

In fact Pops

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tells Sarah point blank that he doesn't understand love when she and Reese seem to be taking an unnecessarily long time to "mate." But he has little subtle mannerisms throughout and even when the characters aren't looking that suggest that he is experiencing "feelings" of sorts even if he says that his programming doesn't understand how they work. So the movie does let you just take him at his word if you don't want it to "go there."

Oh and lol about knowing not to mess with the Raptor fences.

 

[DiFabio]

T-1000 in T2 feels it when it's melting away, I'm sure. He also looks shocked when he's frozen and his limbs fall off.


I think to mimic people perfectly, you'd have to be a feeling, living organism. A T-800 for example couldn't smooth talk to the Voight's like the T-1000 did. I imagine when the T-800 visited them, looking for John, the interaction was quite different.

 

[Matt S]

Sorry some didn't enjoy this as much as others, but I get it. T1 and T2 has such love (and for a reason), that its hard to go home again.

 

[Khev]

T-1000 in T2 feels it when it's melting away, I'm sure.

All right we're on the same page with that, cool. That's why I don't think it's that far fetched that a T-800 who's been in the field for *44 years* might start feeling in ways that possibly Skynet never anticipated. I do believe that Uncle Bob "didn't know why John cried" BUT he was clearly interacting with John, especially at the steel mill, in ways that at the end of the movie were really toeing that line. Hell, just being able to evolve to know "why" John cries was kind of a big deal. 44 years of that kind of evolving understanding, and by extension possibly even relating to that behavior? Doesn't seem like a huge stretch with what they set up in T2.

 

[a-dev]

*I* interpreted them as going there, but I'm curious as to whether others felt the same. And I'm very glad they did. Do I wish that T2 "went there?" No way, that story was best with Uncle Bob not being able to. Question for you a-dev, why do you think the T-1000 was screaming when it was in the steel? It had no tactical reason to do that. I think T2 hinted that the super advanced new models that Skynet was rolling out were capable of a little more...and TG continued that line of thinking.

That's a damn good question actually. I don't think I've ever really thought about that. The T-800 didn't register any pain as he was being melted down. There's no choice really but to suggest that the T-1000 was feeling something - either physical pain or at least what appeared to be extreme panic. Maybe the mimetic poly alloy has a greater level of sentience and an instinct of self-preservation that even the T-800s lack. How this would be the case though.....

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Maybe it's simply a matter of the T-1000 being a cowardly baddie and the T-800 being a stoic hero, dying a noble death. It would've been jarring to me if Ahnuld went out screaming and crying out, reaching up to John and Sarah.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Why was the T1000 transforming into the people he had killed when he was melting? Was it because he was in pain, because he lacked control, or because when he touches people some part of them get imprinted on to him and that's the "emotion" that he shows we he's melting?

 

[YankeesFanboy]

I would say it's either a clever...or ham-handed...way, take your pick...of showing all of the "souls" he had taken.

 

[GasparZizou]

Clever is the correct answer, I like the idea of "souls", though it was just his system shutting down and failing.

Btw, your sig + location combo...

 

[cmiller99]

Maybe it's simply a matter of the T-1000 being a cowardly baddie and the T-800 being a stoic hero, dying a noble death. It would've been jarring to me if Ahnuld went out screaming and crying out, reaching up to John and Sarah.

This makes sense - juxtaposition. Can't make your good Terminator look weak and your bad Terminator look brave.

 

[Khev]

It has begun...

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