Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

I would say it's either a clever...or ham-handed...way, take your pick...of showing all of the "souls" he had taken.

I going with clever.

It has begun...

Robot Kills Man at Volkswagen Plant

 

[DiFabio]

I always took it as him going in and out of his different programing because it couldn't control it. He was glitching before, so molten steel REALLY ****ed him up. The programming was haywire. It's not just him morphing into the people he mimicked either, he starts randomly morphing arm blades for no real reason. I like how in the very end, It has one last ditch effort of getting out of the pool of molten steel by literally turning inside itself, but to no avail.


Also a cool way to show off some cool animation for a good death scene.

 

[YankeesFanboy]

Clever is the correct answer, I like the idea of "souls", though it was just his system shutting down and failing.

Btw, your sig + location combo...

She's a very, very talented girl.

This makes sense - juxtaposition. Can't make your good Terminator look weak and your bad Terminator look brave.

Movies 101, man.

I going with clever.

You're not going to run down T2 the way you ran down ESB, are you?

 

[GasparZizou]

That has to be one of the best villain deaths in the history of movies, period, it's just glorious how in the end it opens its mouth and another face comes out of it and then it just completely melts, and the sounds it makes, like a ****ing demon or something.

 

[Khev]

Him going ape**** was a cool death. A friend of mine with whom I'd theorize for hours about the Terminator movies back in the early 90's and I speculated at one point that his screaming was due to him being "living metal" of sorts, which would have explained his behavior at the end as well as how he could have gone through the time field with no "skin." Since then I read about the off screen "flesh cocoon" that encased the T-1000 but it's kind of funny to see T-John actually appear to be presented in a way that meshes with some of my old musings about the T-1000.

 

[a-dev]

All right we're on the same page with that, cool. That's why I don't think that a T-800 who's been in the field for *44 years* might start feeling in ways that possibly Skynet never anticipated. I do believe that Uncle Bob "didn't know why John cried" BUT he was clearly interacting with John, especially at the steel mill, in ways that at the end of the movie were really toeing that line. Hell, just being able to evolve to know "why" John cries was kind of a big deal. 44 years of that kind of evolving understanding, and by extension possibly even relating to that behavior? Doesn't seem like a huge stretch with what they set up in T2.

You know what my problem is - in so often having to defend T2 from the T1 purists (henceforth referred to as 'T1er') I'm constantly looking for the ways in which T2 matches up with T1 and in fact doesn't contradict as might be suggested by those people.

Spoiler

So when we have a new film that may actually be saying that the T-800 is genuinely feeling emotion (and thus could be bargained with and reasoned with and so on) I'm raising my eyes and preparing to hear ''I told you so'' from the T1ers.

In a way I have become the 'T1er' with regard to Genisys and T3. Having said that, I'd like to think that I too can be reasoned with where good arguments are made and interesting discussions are facilitated by opening up to that stuff - such as what you've said above.

*sees Genisys, immediately resets chip to default 'read-only' setting*

In fact Pops

Spoiler

tells Sarah point blank that he doesn't understand love when she and Reese seem to be taking an unnecessarily long time to "mate." But he has little subtle mannerisms throughout and even when the characters aren't looking that suggest that he is experiencing "feelings" of sorts even if he says that his programming doesn't understand how they work. So the movie does let you just take him at his word if you don't want it to "go there."

Oh and lol about knowing not to mess with the Raptor fences.

Always have to go back and refresh page on all of yours and Difabio's posts. More often than not you've added something.

 

[ApeManRyan]

I just got back from seeing the film .Besides me and my brother having to deal with annoying punk kids behind us. Which they were just so damn annoying for almost the whole beginning we finally moved away from them and the film is alright. It's hard to rate this one. I don't hate it nor do I love it. It had some good things but then it had it's problems and I kind of think there was too much going on. Arnold again is Arnold and I think he never gets old even if it's silly to see him be in a Terminator movie at his age now. I'll have to watch it again and I'll wait for the Blu-ray release. I like Emilia and Jai is just nothing I cared about. Jason Clarke was good but the story of how John is the villain really does ruin it. The scenes nodding to the first terminator film and replicating every scene by scene was cool and the CG Young Arnie was very well done and I thought the fight scene between them was cool. So again there's things I liked and things I dislike. Is it better then T3 AND Salvation? I think by a smidge but not much. It's just a movie you go to have fun with and me and my bother tried to. It probably would of been a little more enjoyable if the damn kids weren't being so rude.

 

[karamazov80]

In a way I have become the 'T1er'

I always knew it was just a matter of time. Glad to have you on board, a-dev. On behalf of myself and P., we welcome you to the club.

 

[Khev]

You know what my problem is - in so often having to defend T2 from the T1 purists (henceforth referred to as 'T1er') I'm constantly looking for the ways in which T2 matches up with T1 and in fact doesn't contradict as might be suggested by those people.

I don't dismiss T2 anymore. I think it was a year or so ago that I watched it all the way through again and decided that I can just get over some of my issues with the film and enjoy it as a movie that greatly impacted my late teen years and that is still enjoyable today. I'm cool with T2.

In a way I have become the 'T1er' with regard to Genisys and T3. Having said that, I'd like to think that I too can be reasoned with where good arguments are made and interesting discussions are facilitated by opening up to that stuff - such as what you've said above.

I actually kind of like having three Terminator films; T1, T2, and TG where in the first you see him picking up human behaviors and responses second hand. Basically he parrots back to others things that have been said to him. Then in T2 (and I go by the theatrical edition where he doesn't need a switch flipped) he not only picks up human behavior second hand but has a live person *actively* teaching him new things. So his "evolution" is greatly accelerated. Then in TG you have a T-800 that has been living with a person for 11 years, one that has greatly bonded to him. And to me "Guardian" plays out what I see as a natural continuation of what a T-800 can learn, or even be, if given the appropriate interaction and time.

Always have to go back and refresh page on all of yours and Difabio's posts. More often than not you've added something.

You know what's even funnier? The actual post of yours that I'm responding to now, when I read it I saw some of my text that you quoted that had a typo so I went back and edited it to make more sense.

 

[a-dev]

I always knew it was just a matter of time. Glad to have you on board, a-dev. On behalf of myself and P., we welcome you to the club.

 

[RIDDICK]

I always knew it was just a matter of time. Glad to have you on board, a-dev. On behalf of myself and P., we welcome you to the club.

Don't forgot about me.

 

[a-dev]

I don't dismiss T2 anymore. I think it was a year or so ago that I watched it all the way through again and decided that I can just get over some of my issues with the film and enjoy it as a movie that greatly impacted my late teen years and that is still enjoyable today. I'm cool with T2.



I actually kind of like having three Terminator films; T1, T2, and TG where in the first you see him picking up human behaviors and responses second hand. Basically he parrots back to others things that have been said to him. Then in T2 (and I go by the theatrical edition where he doesn't need a switch flipped) he not only picks up human behavior second hand but has a live person *actively* teaching him new things. So his "evolution" is greatly accelerated. Then in TG you have a T-800 that has been living with a person for 11 years, one that has greatly bonded to him. And to me "Guardian" plays out what I see as a natural continuation of what a T-800 can learn, or even be, if given the appropriate interaction and time.



You know what's even funnier? The actual post of yours that I'm responding to now, when I read it I saw some of my text that you quoted that had a typo so I went back and edited it to make more sense.

Hah! Yeah I've done that myself. I hate when only someone's quote of one of my posts draws my attention to a misspelling or poor phrasing. I wish my post edits automatically applied to the quote aswell.

Regarding your middle paragraph - yeah that's..I like that. It's the kind of rationalisation I've always done on T2 but the added oomph is that T2's good points hugely outweigh its bad ones. This is where Genisys may yet fall down for me.

 

[karamazov80]

Don't forget about me.

 

[KitFisto]

T1 was a dark, gritty sci-fi thriller. T2 was a big budget action film. They're both great, but totally differentvtypes of films.......much like Alien vs Aliens.

 

[DiFabio]

Because of Terminator Genisys, I see a massive difference between all the T-800 characters. I sort of view the 1984 Arnold T-800 and the Uncle Bob T-800 in a new light, a better light.

Maybe it was seeing Arnold's older, wrinkly mug and greying hair. I don't know, it's weird. For an actor that is playing the same role, I think it's interesting how each movie depicts him differently. I haven't seen T3 in a while, but I suspect the T-850 will now be a different experience for me having seen ****ing Genisys. Whether good or bad, I'm not sure.

I definitely think the T-800 coming back to the present should have stopped after the first two. I just can't see it happening AGAIN for a 5th time. This series could be so much more than time travel and "staring Arnold Scearzenegger". Then again, I guess they tried that with Salvation and still missed the mark. I dunno.

 

[Khev]

It's the kind of rationalisation I've always done on T2 but the added oomph is that T2's good points hugely outweigh its bad ones. This is where Genisys may yet fall down for me.

Yes Genisys certainly might not be "worth it" for you. At worst Genisys can be a Return of the Jedi of sorts for me. After ANH and ESB to this day so much of what ROTJ did with the story I just think was so lamely thought out and then again lamely executed. But you know, can't dismiss it because, well, dat bikini and space battle.

Actually now that I think of it both ROTJ and TG have awesome opening and closing acts with a lull in the middle.

 

[karamazov80]

T1 was a dark, gritty sci-fi thriller. T2 was a big budget action film. They're both great, but totally differentvtypes of films.......much like Alien vs Aliens.

This is true. And T:3 is equivalent to Alien: Resurrection--both examples of franchises going on way too long and turning into bad parodies of what they once were. I guess T5 is like Prometheus?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

You're not going to run down T2 the way you ran down ESB, are you?

 

[RIDDICK]

https://jmstevenson.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/terminatorthumbsup.jpg

It's not like I need an invitation to your "club" anyway.

Nice place, I like it here!
Got some beer? I'm a couple cans short of a six-pack, if you know what I mean...

 

[GasparZizou]

I would say T2 is darker than T1 in terms of theme and how foreshadowing it is, and it's really no more of an action blockbuster than T1.

This exchange here is way more frightening to me than anything on T1.

In three years, Cyberdyne will become the largest supplier of military computer systems. All stealth bombers are upgraded with Cyberdyne computers, becoming fully unmanned. Afterwards, they fly with a perfect operational record. The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes online August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.
Sarah Connor: Skynet fights back.
The Terminator: Yes. It launches its missiles against the targets in Russia.
John Connor: Why attack Russia? Aren't they our friends now?
The Terminator: Because Skynet knows that the Russian counterattack will eliminate its enemies over here.

This part specifically freaks me the **** out.

It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th.