Terminator Genisys (July 1st, 2015)

[DiFabio]

Good analysis on T2.

Yeah, the theme for Genisys is used like it's a superhero theme or something. Definitely not how Fiedel utilized them in the first two. Also, did you notice the regular soundtrack throughout Genisys? It really reminded me of Hans Zimmer or something. There were moments where I swear I was hearing something similar to these,

 

[cmiller99]

Good analysis on T2.

Yeah, the theme for Genisys is used like it's a superhero theme or something. Definitely not how Fiedel utilized them in the first two. Also, did you notice the regular soundtrack throughout Genisys? It really reminded me of Hans Zimmer or something. There were moments where I swear I was hearing something similar to these,

That's because Zimmer was music executive or something on this film. A lot of his scores sound the same

 

[jye4ever]

Yup, I heard Nolan Batman music in there.

 

[jye4ever]

Despite the few people here that "liked" the movie -- and I say "liked' because not one of you seals really seemed genuine about the movie; seemed much more like instant semi-gratification that will wear off as quickly as your early love for Superman Returns -- anyway, despite the few, seems the many have answered with non-interest in this old one-note franchise. Without new ideas, the Terminator as a concept is done. I don't count time-travel as a solution, just a cheap excuse to replay.

But anything can come back from the dead as we've seen with JW and FR... but it needs genuine talent, love and new ideas at work.

Lets see how King Conan will be handled.

Hopefully no cgi helicopter chases.

 

[csutkakoma]

I don't know if it is true or not...but still...If it is true...than the hell with them.

 

[Snake Plissken]

Hopefully Lima Bean head Jai gets replaced.

 

[RIDDICK]

It did $12,5 millions in Russia so far.
I'm ashamed...

 

[a-dev]

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I'm amazed. ****-all advertising for it (at least in Ireland) compared to Jurassic World. And my showing was empty for the size of the room. Quite a stark contrast to Jurassic World where I had to sit in the front row.

 

[Irvy]

There are a few torrent copies up already, why are people paying to see this? [emoji38]

 

[Snake Plissken]

There are a few torrent copies up already, why are people paying to see this? [emoji38]

I'm thankful I found it online, and didn't put a dollar toward this dreck.

 

[jye4ever]

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Yup, screw those dumb muricans for not embracing our movie.

 

[a-dev]

Ever since T3 his "robotic" personality when he portays the character bugs me. It feels forced and really wooden. The "theoretically speaking" **** bugged the hell out of me. He doesn't even do the "scanning" right like in the first two.

I know in T2, he talked like a robot. "Mimetic polyalloy", "tactically dangerous", "affirmative", etc. but it always felt natural, you know what I mean? The analytical/computer talk wasn't a point of humor, even when John would point it out. With T3 and Genisys it feels like we're supposed to be laughing at him. The difference between Arnold's performances in the Cameron films vs. the other two are light and day in my opinion. In the first two, those T-800s actually feel like cool characters to me. "Nothing clean, right" or "wrong" don't feel awkward. Even when Uncle Bob is saying "chill out . . . **** was", it doesn't seem cringe worthy.

I'm not saying that his performances in the first two are some avan grade, Shakespearean caliber acting, but it does feel natural. That smile Uncle Bob cracks at when he's holding be minigun in the weapons cache or the sly "trust me" with the twinkle in his eye at Cyberdyne is earned because of what the audience has invested with the characters. The thumbs up at the end too. "Pops" had none of that. It really feels like the filmmakers saw that T2 deleted scene and mimicked it like "see, see, remember that from T2" without really having understood it.

I mean come on, I don't want to be cynical here, but Uncle Bob learns these human gestures in what, the span of 24 to 48 hours and goes from ultimate stoic, steely eyed machine you don't want to **** with,


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to a subtle, **** eating grin that tells John and the audience "hey, it's me", "I got this", "don't worry".


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There's an actual pay off. With Pops, the stupid robo-grin THREE friggin times is at the expense of the character. So for a decade, Pops never learned to perfect a smile? Huh? He still talks like a ****ing idiot with terms like "mating", and "obsolete"? I also hated the SFX, every time he moved or made a facial expression it made that cutesy "robot" sound. You know what I'm talking about. Cameron never did that with his Terminator films. There was humor but it was subtle, it was earned, it felt real. In Genisys Arnold is just strutting around like a literal big lug, looking the same in every scene and saying the same lines. It makes me wonder if he even remembers or understood the original intentions with the first two films or even cares. In those two, yeah, it might not have been nuanced or method acting, but he seemed sincere.

This made me hostile as well. I smashed some theater seats when the POV HUD would pop up and T-800s could see through walls, inside other Terminator heads or even T-1000 pieces disguised as a simple door handle. These guys are overpowered as hell. I mean, that bit where the T-1000 takes a piece of himself and puts it in the head of the T-800's skull and reactivates it felt like some nonsense scenario that some little kid playing with Terminator action figures would create. They did crazy **** in the TV Sarah Connor Chronicles too. How about the 1984 chip being used for time travel? WTF? Then that super strength Pops possesses that started with T3 is ridiculous. Remember in T2 when Uncle Bob and T-1000 were shoving each other in the steel mill and they pushed each other through 10 miles of machinery like it was a wax museum? I don't either!

In T1, Kyle could take a pipe and whack the T-800/ head around. Matt could lift the T-800s leg. In T2, John could help lift Uncle Bob to his feet. In a deleted scene, remember how fragile the chip was? One small ding and that little wafer would be destroyed and the T-800 would be wrecked. In, they rip that sucker out like it's a an indestructible Lego brick.


Biggest WTF moment was how Pops regrew his ****ing acid burned skin and cut up face. Those were severe wounds man! He lost his skin completely! How did he regrow that perfectly in 30 years!?! Remember in T1? He gets gangrene with rotten, fly ridden skin from the Police Shootout!

Yeah, this. All of this^ ('cept maybe the T-1000 being able to reactivate a T-800, I thought that was kinda cool)

A mechanical sound when he smiles. I can't fathom why they would do that. One scene from T2 was the primary inspiration for all the smiling in this film, one piece of reference to look at - there was clearly no mechanical sound. In Cameron's films you only heard noises like that when he was entirely endoskeleton in T1 or you would hear the faintest of 'whhhrrrr' when he was fixing his arm in T1 or showing Dyson his arm in T2. Why choose to be inconsistent.

And yeah Arnie's performance of it just never really felt the same as in T1 and T2 when it was under the guidance of Cameron. What director other than Cameron would have the balls to tell Arnie how to play it though. Stereotypical robot movements and pretty much every line of dialogue spoken like a laugh track is expected to follow.

That, together with not-Reese Reese and some cartoony action and settings (the cyberdyne facility, skynet holograms and so on, stuff that still doesn't feel all that ''real'' to me) are the various reasons I still don't really take the film seriously alongside Cameron's films even though I did enjoy it overall.

 

[jye4ever]

I find your last sentence to be very interesting.

Do you see yourself owning a movie that you didn't take seriously yet seemed to enjoy?

 

[karamazov80]

Regarding the changes to Arnold's T-800 over the years, there was a similar kind of change that happened to John McClane. When the Die Hard series started up, he was out of his league in many ways, and a real smart ass. As the series wore on, he eventually became a stoic superhero, which is something "real" McClane was not at all. It's like the writers and filmmakers latch onto specific scenes and aspects of the character, but neglect the character as a whole in lieu of playing to themes they think the audience has some better recollection of.

 

[jye4ever]

Yup, by Die Hard 15 only kryptonite could take him out.

 

[a-dev]

I find your last sentence to be very interesting.

Do you see yourself owning a movie that you didn't take seriously yet seemed to enjoy?

I haven't bought a film in years personally The bigger question for me is do I buy any figures from it.

Regarding the changes to Arnold's T-800 over the years, there was a similar kind of change that happened to John McClane. When the Die Hard series started up, he was out of his league in many ways, and a real smart ass. As the series wore on, he eventually became a stoic superhero, which is something "real" McClane was not at all. It's like the writers and filmmakers latch onto specific scenes and aspects of the character, but neglect the character as a whole in lieu of playing to themes they think the audience has some better recollection of.

Great comparison and nailed it. Pretty much caricatures. I've often described John McClane as having become a T-800. The stuff he survives in Die Hard 4 I would consider to be nicely restrained Terminator action (I haven't seen 5)

Yup, by Die Hard 15 only kryptonite could take him out.

Didn't John McClane eventually sacrifice himself by staying behind on an asteroid to nuke it to oblivion? Wait that came out before Die Hard 4 and 5....4 and 5 must have been prequels.

 

[jye4ever]

I would've had Mclane surf the asteroid around the sun.

 

[RIDDICK]

Yup, screw those dumb muricans for not embracing our movie.

Pretty much what's going on right now.

There are tons of Shwarnie fans here.
They'll buy merch and blu-ray disc even if they think that the movie sucks. The power of following is too strong.

 

[Khev]

Yeah, this. All of this^ ('cept maybe the T-1000 being able to reactivate a T-800, I thought that was kinda cool)

A mechanical sound when he smiles. I can't fathom why they would do that.

Did it make the sound in the movie? I actually can't remember. I know sometimes they add little "cute" noises to trailers when they want to make something extra silly or "funny." If it does indeed make that sound in the movie then I think they thought that making that scene more awkward was the way to go. It doesn't make the sound other times he does the smile like at the police station and when they kiss at the end does it?

That, together with not-Reese Reese and some cartoony action and settings (the cyberdyne facility, skynet holograms and so on, stuff that still doesn't feel all that ''real'' to me) are the various reasons I still don't really take the film seriously alongside Cameron's films even though I did enjoy it overall.

I really take it as a soft reboot which Arnold happens to be in not unlike Alfred being the same from Burton's films to Schumacher or Judi Dench being in both Goldeneye and Skyfall. Different options to watch depending on your mood and potentially even entertaining options but not really films that you watch back to back as part of a single story. Obviously Genisys takes the events from T1 as "backstory" of sorts but since it refilms every single one of them, even Arnold arriving and looking around, that technically makes the whole thing a remake, IMO.

 

[karamazov80]

Stepping back a little, and thinking about his this film must have developed, it may have been creatively doomed to failure before it started. Obviously, the motivation behind this movie was purely the fact that Arnold was acting again, and was up for revisiting this role. At that point, any writer or director realizes that it's the cheapest kind of cash grab--they've got to figure out some way to fit an old man Arnold back into the Terminator-verse. And if I were in their shoes, I would have a hard time finding the motivation to put together a genuinely good story. Because the producers weren't prioritizing that. And from their cynical viewpoint, they don't think the audience cares either.

In many ways it reminds me of those awful Hobbit movies.