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Seeing it for myself tomorrow. Expectations really low.

With it tanking this weekend, could be the only fate left for this franchise is a streaming show.

"TERMINATOR FUTURE WARS"

Anthology series featuring none of the main characters. .just stories set in the Terminator universe. In the right hands
(not Cameron ) it could be good. ..

Just pray JJ Abrams doesn't get a hold of it.
 
Re: The "All things TERMINATOR" thread.

So he states that he doesn't feel emotion?

Yes Sarah asks him if he loves his family and he states that he can't feel exactly what humans call love. But then a short time later when everyone gets into his van to leave his cabin and family he stands alone for a moment, outside the view of anyone else, just taking a moment to recognize that he's mostly likely leaving his home and family forever that makes sentimental saps like me go "aw man...."

So they retain the integrity of him being a machine that you *want* to feel emotion, that you hope feels emotion, even while recognizing that he probably doesn't.

you have Grace Randolph who would tend towards the SJW side of things who didn't like it at all despite it being the 'woke' Terminator film. And on here we've had Johnny Utah, Snoop101 and now Khev liking it - these guys aren't SJWs - but they're not gonna hate it merely for the sake of maintaining an anti-woke persona. If they like it, they like it.

It kind of bums me out that this film is 100% in the crosshairs of *every single* anti-SJW YouTube reviewer out there to the point where it seems (to me anyway) like everyone now has trash the film for fear of "bending the knee" to SJW's. I think that might be in play and that combined with people dismissing the film outright due to John's death alone will make it hard for a lot of people to give it a chance or to simply watch it without those particle goggles on. Not that Tim Miller didn't bring a lot of that on himself which is also too bad.

a-dev said:
True. TPM is the best of the PT to me but I still cannot call it canon even in isolation because Jake Lloyd is supposed to be Anakin Skywalker. I never wanted to see Darth Vader as an 8 year old full-stop. The film only vindicated how that was a mistake IMO.

Ha ha, now keep in mind that TPM is also 100% only canon when I feel like it just like Alien 3, SMFFH, and now probably Dark Fate. I certainly never watch ANH with the mindset that the badass stepping through the door of the Blockade Runner is Jake Lloyd all grown up or anything. ;) I just like the TPM/Solo/RO narrative as mentioned in previous SW discussions enough to have it be an optional canon.

a-dev said:
That actually very much sounds like your Aliens/Alien 3 scenario where it'll just depend on your mood.

Yep. Because even with me liking the elaboration of the mythos presented by DF I was just watching a review earlier today that played clips of T2 and couldn't help but think "aw what a bummer" about John. So definitely another Alien 3 situation most likely where I'll cherry pick the DF mythos to allow for why they could prevent Skynet from happening without it being a paradox but then choosing "happy" or "bittersweet" finale depending on my mood. As much as I love T2 I kind of resented being forced with the happily ever after scenario and what's cool is that now that I've seen the alternative I can definitely appreciate the happy ending, and will probably often prefer it. But if I want to see a cool and darker (no pun intended) epilogue there'll always be DF. It really is quite like Alien 3 in a lot of ways considering, right down to the director getting overruled on the final edit of the film.
 
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:lol :lol

Oomph

OPENING LOWER THAN TG with a B+ CS! :thud:

That?s it folks say goodbye to Terminator forever this time for real.

Cameron ain?t ever being involved with Terminator ever again.

I?m sure he will blame TM lol

Yep he is distancing himself from this release like a mother, lol.

James Cameron the week Alita opened:

Goes on Jimmy Fallon to promote it, constantly tweeting about how proud he is of Robert Rodriguez's efforts, releases multiple YouTube videos saying to see it in 3D, Dolby Vision, etc.

Cameron the week TDF opened:

"Man TM put a lot of unnecessary crap in this movie that I had to cut out by the way I never once set foot on set I've never even met the actors okay trust me I don't know these people! Now check out me and my wife's Halloween costumes and did you see that Avatar will be on Disney+?"

lol

He literally praised Genysis more than DF. :lol
 
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Yep he is distancing himself from this release like a mother, lol.

James Cameron the week Alita opened:

Goes on Jimmy Fallon to promote it, constantly tweeting about how proud he is of Robert Rodriguez's efforts, releases multiple YouTube videos saying to see it in 3D, Dolby Vision, etc.

Cameron the week TDF opened:

"Man TM put a lot of unnecessary crap in this movie that I had to cut out by the way I never once set foot on set I've never even met the actors okay trust me I don't know these people! Now check out me and my wife's Halloween costumes and did you see that Avatar will be on Disney+?"

lol

He literally praised Genysis more than DF. :lol

Cameron will survive but Tim Miller is sooo done.


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Cameron will survive but Tim Miller is sooo done.

No kidding. I hope that Cameron doesn't disown it completely and merely expresses his disgust that TM prevented it from being financially successful. Interesting how after Miller insulted 80% of the fanbase we haven't heard a word from him since. "Okay I'm gonna edit this film to best represent my story and you better shut the **** up about me and the fans going forward. Got it?"
 
Oops I missed this one:

a-dev said:
The latter I would want to say because I wouldn't consider Sarah responsible for creating the reality Grace has had to live - if it wasn't the Legion reality it was going to be the Skynet reality which would have been no better. But maybe Grace is irrational and would blame her anyway.

Oh absolutely. That would 100% be an irrational and unfair position to take but I do still think it's feasible that that's where Grace's head might have been. Even without that unnecessarily harsh perception Grace was still just a few short hours removed from the very real hell that was her day to day life so Sarah's statements of saving the world must have been very hard to accept as any kind of valid reality for her.

Also with Grace I really liked how she'd get the chemical boosts that would allow her to temporarily go toe to toe with a Terminator but then she'd crash after only a few minutes and fall into a coma without the proper injections. Of course the trailers always show her in boosted mode giving the impression that she was like that all the time.
 
Oh wow you?re right TM wasn?t on the press tour at all just Arnold and Linda.

Dude I hope we get a Cameron cut with 15 more minutes of
Future War
.

I was just reading that the producers were speaking to JC while telling TM he was all they needed ouch lol


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I know guys you are probably already bored of this but I just leave it here. This thing is better than the hole Dark Fate. Music, atmosphere, original future. What a missed opportunity.

 
I'm about to go check this out. For perspective, I never had the opportunity to see any of these when they came out theatrically, but grew up on them. T2 is my favorite film. Didn't hate Genysis but didn't love it. Don't like 3, appreciate the idea of Salvation.

And DF's score theme is totally fun and hits hard. Fight me.
 
Re: The "All things TERMINATOR" thread.

I'll give you that one, I don't believe four foot tall, 75 pound Dani would be the leader of the resistance. :lol She was the worst part for me.

She looked like she was wearing her father's over sized military uniform. Showing her physically fighting hand to hand and beating non midgets was insulting. I don't mind if she was bad ass with a gun but no way she hits hard enough to knock anyone off their feet.
 
Re: The "All things TERMINATOR" thread.

Yes Sarah asks him if he loves his family and he states that he can't feel exactly what humans call love. But then a short time later when everyone gets into his van to leave his cabin and family he stands alone for a moment, outside the view of anyone else, just taking a moment to recognize that he's mostly likely leaving his home and family forever that makes sentimental saps like me go "aw man...."

So they retain the integrity of him being a machine that you *want* to feel emotion, that you hope feels emotion, even while recognizing that he probably doesn't.

Sounds interesting. I'm glad he hasn't gone full emotion as I've favored the idea that that should be beyond a T-800. I've always maintained that Uncle Bob wasn't actually feeling emotion even by the end of T2, he had merely become more familiar with the concept and the circumstances that give rise to particular emotions in humans. Seems like Carl has been able to take that further but only insofar as he can convincingly act like he is a feeling human - his infiltration capabilities brought to the max.

but why the hell would they kill him in the end? Surely that would hamper their planned sequel. You know they'd want Arnie back again and now it would have to be yet another 'different' T-800 with a character reset. :slap

Another pondering I have is this - Uncle Bob learning the value of human life was one thing - given his reprogramming and mission - but now that we've had a Skynet-programmed T-800 also learning the value of human life it really calls into question a few things *while pretty much contradicting everything Kyle Reese said about Terminators

A) you would think Skynet shouldn't allow this - thus the T2 ''chip set to read-only'' deleted scene

B) Does this not mean that Skynet itself could change its mind? Or is it that only the personified machines are ever in a position for this to happen through direct interaction with humans? In which case see A again.

It kind of bums me out that this film is 100% in the crosshairs of *every single* anti-SJW YouTube reviewer out there to the point where it seems (to me anyway) like everyone now has trash the film for fear of "bending the knee" to SJW's. I think that might be in play and that combined with people dismissing the film outright due to John's death alone will make it hard for a lot of people to give it a chance or to simply watch it without those particle goggles on. Not that Tim Miller didn't bring a lot of that on himself which is also too bad.

Yeah they are. All of the regulars. At even a sniff of wokeness they instantly throw objectivity out the window otherwise surely at least one or two of them would break ranks. Nah, every review title says ''Trash'', ''Garbage'' etc etc and the latest round of videos is celebrating the poor opening weekend box office. They're boringly predictable now. I say 'now' because I did dabble for a while there, that's why their videos are shown to me by youtube.

And it's not that I think everything they're saying is wrong it's just that the total lack of variation in their views is suggestive of a hive mind/group think - the very thing they would purport to be against from SJWs.


Ha ha, now keep in mind that TPM is also 100% only canon when I feel like it just like Alien 3, SMFFH, and now probably Dark Fate. I certainly never watch ANH with the mindset that the badass stepping through the door of the Blockade Runner is Jake Lloyd all grown up or anything. ;) I just like the TPM/Solo/RO narrative as mentioned in previous SW discussions enough to have it be an optional canon.



Yep. Because even with me liking the elaboration of the mythos presented by DF I was just watching a review earlier today that played clips of T2 and couldn't help but think "aw what a bummer" about John. So definitely another Alien 3 situation most likely where I'll cherry pick the DF mythos to allow for why they could prevent Skynet from happening without it being a paradox but then choosing "happy" or "bittersweet" finale depending on my mood. As much as I love T2 I kind of resented being forced with the happily ever after scenario and what's cool is that now that I've seen the alternative I can definitely appreciate the happy ending, and will probably often prefer it. But if I want to see a cool and darker (no pun intended) epilogue there'll always be DF. It really is quite like Alien 3 in a lot of ways considering, right down to the director getting overruled on the final edit of the film.

By the way, per your vid, I had heard the prologue starts in 1998 but it didn't dawn on me that from Skynet's POV that would have been after they'd nuked humanity. And that's definitely not just a plothole/error?
 
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This film is a fun thought experiment as to what would rightfully come next. I utterly adore T2 and consider it my favorite film of all time. TDF is unnecessary, but nevertheless it's existence isn't hurting anything and it's much better than you might expect. Linda Hamilton does an amazing job in this, I think she's definitely the strongest player in this. She stepped right back into the role and clearly loves the character.

One of the things I have to ask myself always when we revisit these 80s and 90s films is "what would they have done if they weren't limited by technology ~30 years ago"? And I think that sort of braces me on when things get chaotic.

IGN said "it's the best Terminator since 2" and that's absolutely correct, but also not a high bar to meet.

I think they handled Carl in a great way, and the drapery thing is, as you'd expect, blown way out of proportion by certain audiences. It's also a nice throwback to Arnie himself. Of all things though, they handled his machine behavior and reasoning for the family in a manner respectful to the franchise. Though it does render the deleted chip scene in T2 as noncanon should you include this as the true ending to the trilogy.

There are some nice nods throughout, like the music at the backyard party being the same as the bar in T2 and the playground being a straight throwback to the alt ending to T2.

The CG was honestly really good. Not perfect in all instances, but much, much better than a film like this would expectedly have. The prologue is arguably some of the best deaging on the market.

I had no qualms with the Rev 9, however he didn't leave an impression on me all around. He was a vehicle for conflict, which I'm sure some could argue the same for the T-1000, but the T-1000 had the first time spectacle to assist him.

Music was forgettable save for the main theme. Big, big props to that rendition with the ethnic overtones. It's a lovely interpretation; all that to be said, a lack of synths is missed regardless.

One of the problems these revised series face is that you have a terribly divided audience. On one hand, you'll never get those who are lifelong, intimate fans on board. On the other, no one these days cares about Terminator, Rambo, or the like. I can't go and tell people in my age group that I'm going to see Terminator because they legitimately don't care or have familiarity with it. We who like the series so much are a minority in the market. On the same token, I met my folks at the theater to go see it and they both liked it. So take that for what it's worth.

T2
T1
TDF

And if I have to go on:

S
G
3

Firmly plant me in the I enjoyed it camp.
 
Sounds interesting. I'm glad he hasn't gone full emotion as I've favored the idea that that should be beyond a T-800. I've always maintained that Uncle Bob wasn't actually feeling emotion even by the end of T2, he had merely become more familiar with the concept and the circumstances that give rise to particular emotions in humans. Seems like Carl has been able to take that further but only insofar as he can convincingly act like he is a feeling human - his infiltration capabilities brought to the max.

but why the hell would they kill him in the end? Surely that would hamper their planned sequel. You know they'd want Arnie back again and now it would have to be yet another 'different' T-800 with a character reset. :slap

Another pondering I have is this - Uncle Bob learning the value of human life was one thing - given his reprogramming and mission - but now that we've had a Skynet-programmed T-800 also learning the value of human life it really calls into question a few things *while pretty much contradicting everything Kyle Reese said about Terminators

A) you would think Skynet shouldn't allow this - thus the T2 ''chip set to read-only'' deleted scene

B) Does this not mean that Skynet itself could change its mind? Or is it that only the personified machines are ever in a position for this to happen through direct interaction with humans? In which case see A again.

I guess Skynet in an effort to gain full autonomy would eventually want to replace their organic carbon based creators with organic synthetic hybrids not only in appearance but also with the ability to change their own minds and opinions and even try to influence others with proper decorum.

Their initial goal would obviously be eradication but then they just might gain enough hubris to start a war amongst themselves lol

This film is a fun thought experiment as to what would rightfully come next. I utterly adore T2 and consider it my favorite film of all time. TDF is unnecessary, but nevertheless it's existence isn't hurting anything and it's much better than you might expect. Linda Hamilton does an amazing job in this, I think she's definitely the strongest player in this. She stepped right back into the role and clearly loves the character.

One of the things I have to ask myself always when we revisit these 80s and 90s films is "what would they have done if they weren't limited by technology ~30 years ago"? And I think that sort of braces me on when things get chaotic.

IGN said "it's the best Terminator since 2" and that's absolutely correct, but also not a high bar to meet.

I think they handled Carl in a great way, and the drapery thing is, as you'd expect, blown way out of proportion by certain audiences. It's also a nice throwback to Arnie himself. Of all things though, they handled his machine behavior and reasoning for the family in a manner respectful to the franchise. Though it does render the deleted chip scene in T2 as noncanon should you include this as the true ending to the trilogy.

There are some nice nods throughout, like the music at the backyard party being the same as the bar in T2 and the playground being a straight throwback to the alt ending to T2.

The CG was honestly really good. Not perfect in all instances, but much, much better than a film like this would expectedly have. The prologue is arguably some of the best deaging on the market.

I had no qualms with the Rev 9, however he didn't leave an impression on me all around. He was a vehicle for conflict, which I'm sure some could argue the same for the T-1000, but the T-1000 had the first time spectacle to assist him.

Music was forgettable save for the main theme. Big, big props to that rendition with the ethnic overtones. It's a lovely interpretation; all that to be said, a lack of synths is missed regardless.

One of the problems these revised series face is that you have a terribly divided audience. On one hand, you'll never get those who are lifelong, intimate fans on board. On the other, no one these days cares about Terminator, Rambo, or the like. I can't go and tell people in my age group that I'm going to see Terminator because they legitimately don't care or have familiarity with it. We who like the series so much are a minority in the market. On the same token, I met my folks at the theater to go see it and they both liked it. So take that for what it's worth.

T2
T1
TDF

And if I have to go on:

S
G
3

Firmly plant me in the I enjoyed it camp.


Great post!



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