The Amazing Spider Man 2 (2014)

[karamazov80]

I don't read new Thor comics, but he wore it for nearly 50 years consistently. So it's not all that OK with me. But it is what it is. Same with every other character (Cap, Spidey, Iron Man, etc.) constantly finding every excuse they can to take their "masks" off.

 

[jye4ever]

I liked his "ceremonial" helmet, was hoping he wore it in 2, but no such luck.

I modded my HT helmet and it looked bad ***.

Don't make me whip out photos of stuff I sold, I swear i'll do it.

 

[thenammagazine]

I liked his "ceremonial" helmet, was hoping he wore it in 2, but no such luck.

I modded my HT helmet and it looked bad ***.

Don't make me whip out photos of stuff I sold, I swear i'll do it.

Do it! So long as it's photos of your modified HT Thor helmet and not the helmet of your peepee painted like Thor.

 

[GeneralZodLives]

I wonder how much the studios that finance and release the films influence the decision to have masked/helmet-wearing characters appear without them. I'm not sure if it's been discussed here or not but I can easily hear someone from corporate saying that they want as much actor-recognition time as possible in the films.

I do get tired of the amount of time (in almost every comic book movie) the superhero loses or takes off their mask--not to mention the increasing amount of time in these films where they aren't even in uniform. TDKR and IM3 are 2 recent examples I can think of in which there wasn't a lot of "suited up" time.

 

[crows]

I wonder how much the studios that finance and release the films influence the decision to have masked/helmet-wearing characters appear without them. I'm not sure if it's been discussed here or not but I can easily hear someone from corporate saying that they want as much actor-recognition time as possible in the films.

I do get tired of the amount of time (in almost every comic book movie) the superhero loses or takes off their mask--not to mention the increasing amount of time in these films where they aren't even in uniform. TDKR and IM3 are 2 recent examples I can think of in which there wasn't a lot of "suited up" time.

I hate that. I paid to see Iron Man and Batman and I didn't get to see them that much. I do hate it.

And then people are like "But you don't get it man, Bruce IS batman, you are seeing a batman movie and you are seeing Batman as Bruce Wayne man, it's all the same man"

But that's like watching a Hulk movie where the Hulk barely appears and all you see is Bruce in the movie... Yeah Bruce is Hulk... but That's Not the same....

 

[GeneralZodLives]

^^I agree. It's not the same. I don't want to watch Peter Parker go to work and school and be awkward for 2 hours and then get 15 minutes of Spider-man. I want a better balance of secret identity/hero time--plus every damn villain doesn't need to find out who the hero is behind the mask every movie.

 

[Niltusk]

I liked his "ceremonial" helmet, was hoping he wore it in 2, but no such luck.

I modded my HT helmet and it looked bad ***.

Don't make me whip out photos of stuff I sold, I swear i'll do it.

I love the original HT Thor, and always thought he looked great with the helmet, and he looks much better in comics/toons with the helmet, but I always felt Hemsworth looked weird in it. Looked great when he was holding it, but when he put it on her just looked like some little kid putting his older brothers football helmet on.

 

[jye4ever]

Do it! So long as it's photos of your modified HT Thor helmet and not the helmet of your peepee painted like Thor.

It will be pics of the helmet but i'm not saying I didn't do the other one either.

I love the original HT Thor, and always thought he looked great with the helmet, and he looks much better in comics/toons with the helmet, but I always felt Hemsworth looked weird in it. Looked great when he was holding it, but when he put it on her just looked like some little kid putting his older brothers football helmet on.

 

[fosing]

even deadpool can convey HEAPS of emotion with his mask on in his videogame. why cant spiderman do it in his movie. that baffles me.

*if the HALO movie is really getting green lit, i hope master chief keeps his helmet on at all times. hope they respect that character reference.

Better to properly see his anguish instead of a blank face with disembodied yelling.

like this?

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

I don't read new Thor comics, but he wore it for nearly 50 years consistently. So it's not all that OK with me. But it is what it is. Same with every other character (Cap, Spidey, Iron Man, etc.) constantly finding every excuse they can to take their "masks" off.

True but the helmet doesn't block Facetime for the actor like those characters so there's no real reason not to wear it. What bugged me is ******'s funeral, Odin was wearing his helmet as were lots of others but not Thor.

I hate that. I paid to see Iron Man and Batman and I didn't get to see them that much. I do hate it.

And then people are like "But you don't get it man, Bruce IS batman, you are seeing a batman movie and you are seeing Batman as Bruce Wayne man, it's all the same man"

But that's like watching a Hulk movie where the Hulk barely appears and all you see is Bruce in the movie... Yeah Bruce is Hulk... but That's Not the same....

Agreed, that was a big complaint of the Hulk movie, it should've been called Banner as there wasn't much Hulk in it. I hate when people claim Tony IS Iron Man even without the armour. If he cant fly and shoot repulsors and wrist rockets and take a smack from Mjonir then he ain't Iron Man.

even deadpool can convey HEAPS of emotion with his mask on in his videogame. why cant spiderman do it in his movie. that baffles me. l

Because in those mediums they have the eyes of the masks and mouth and all that animated change shape to convey the emotion. You can't do that in film with a plain fabric mask

Yeah. I don't see the problem in this scenario.

Better to properly see his anguish instead of a blank face with disembodied yelling.

I remember in SM1 on the bridge when Goblin had the tram cable in one hand and MJ in the other and Spider-Man yelled "Don't do it Goblin" but his jaw barely moved

It didn't convey the dialogue at all because you couldn't see his face

Its more like your a rally cry. Some new news comes out and you come in and say somthing negative then some others come in and say "O man haha your so right nam. Man your so cool. Electro does look like mister freeze. Am I cool yet"? Im actually intrigued to here your opinions on this movie when it comes out. I mean atleast your a spiderman fan and not just some nostalgia raimi purist. Its like if we like the movie we automatically hate the raimi version. Im so sick of hearing. "O man raimi's version was so cool because it's older. Am I cool yet"?

Now I know I did this with RE but I stopped because eventually i knew I wasnt gonna change a damn thing and it was pointless to argue about a franchise that didnt want to help itself.

whoops didnt quote my bad

spiderman not wearing his mask, he's not even battle damaged or something to warrant that removal.

same shat on ASM, took it off after the high school fight with lizard. was he stupid? an azzhat? or both? LOL

Pturtle was right there was a scene missing. That was the only unmasked part in the movie that made no reason of being unmasked. Some lingering student could've easily seen him. Thankfully every other unmasking had a reason for it.

plus every damn villain doesn't need to find out who the hero is behind the mask every movie.

I really hope Electro doesn't find out who he is. That's become a tired tripe of the Spider-Man franchise

 

[fosing]

Because in those mediums they have the eyes of the masks and mouth and all that animated change shape to convey the emotion. You can't do that in film with a plain fabric mask

that's a pretty weak reason. there's more than one way of conveying those emotions through body mechanics. put them in equal footing, back to the comicbook panels. does spider man have to unmask himself to make a boo-boo face of joy or sorrow? guess not. lolz

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExpressiveMask

Facial emoting cant be done through a mask without a CGI mask.

The comics can do it with the mask because it's a completely different medium but in film to convey big emotion it is almost a necessity to see the anguish or joy in the face, that cant be done to full effect with the mask on.

Acting is probably 80% face and 20% body. Keep the face hidden and you lose 80% of the emotion from that scene.

Look at this... https://youtu.be/VFtNeC7A7qs if you kept the mask on you'd lose almost all of the struggle conveyed in that scene.

 

[thenammagazine]

It will be pics of the helmet but i'm not saying I didn't do the other one either.

Vague post is vague! DANGER WILL ROBINSON, DANGER!!!

that's a pretty weak reason. there's more than one way of conveying those emotions through body mechanics. put them in equal footing, back to the comicbook panels. does spider man have to unmask himself to make a boo-boo face of joy or sorrow? guess not. lolz

Maybe he's implying that Garfield is incapable of physical acting, and is such a poor actor that he has to rely on his face to emote.

 

[karamazov80]

Maybe he's implying that Garfield is incapable of physical acting, and is such a poor actor that he has to rely on his face to emote.

Yeah, and I think Web-Slinger makes a very valid argument here. I can't begrudge a guy arguing that Garfield's abilities are suspect.

 

[thenammagazine]

Yeah, and I think Web-Slinger makes a very valid argument here. I can't begrudge a guy arguing that Garfield's abilities are suspect.

Especially when even a lowbrow like Prowse could effectively emote through Vader's mask.

 

[crows]

V from V For Vendetta
Rorschach
they never had to take their masks of to show emotion. Their voice and body Language was MORE than enough.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Both V and Rorschach had their masks expressions change with CGI. And rorschach had his mask off for two of his big emotional scenes though, "give me back my face" and "DO IT".

Though he did convey the agitation and anger in the paedophile scene quite well what with the heavy breathing

 

[thenammagazine]

Both V and Rorschach had their masks expressions change with CGI Rorschach had his mask off for two of his big emotional scenes though "give me back my face" and "DO IT".

Though he did convey the agitation and anger in the paedophile scene quite well what with the heavy breathing

I'll give you Rorschach and even the fact that his mask physically changed, but exactly when did V's mask's expression change?

 

[Buttmunch]

Yeah, I don't remember Evilface changing expression at all. The lighting and shadows can play with that, but the mask didn't change. At least not until it got shot up a bit.

 

[GasparZizou]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ExpressiveMask

Facial emoting cant be done through a mask without a CGI mask.

The comics can do it with the mask because it's a completely different medium but in film to convey big emotion it is almost a necessity to see the anguish or joy in the face, that cant be done to full effect with the mask on.

Acting is probably 80% face and 20% body. Keep the face hidden and you lose 80% of the emotion from that scene.

Look at this... https://youtu.be/VFtNeC7A7qs if you kept the mask on you'd lose almost all of the struggle conveyed in that scene.

You simply can't achieve certain level of emotion while wearing a mask, you simply can't.

Anger is different, all you need is to grumble, scream or move violently, but emotions like sadness or desperation are a lot trickier you NEED the face, otherwise it just doesn't have any impact at all.