The Amazing Spider-Man - OPEN SPOILERS NOW

[AMAZEN]

Actually the reboot is planned for 2015

even worse based on opinions on this thread. I wonder what ppl have to say about not needing a reboot for Bats.

 

[thenammagazine]

even worse based on opinions on this thread. I wonder what ppl have to say about not needing a reboot for Bats.

Easy. Even if it's good it's gonna suck. It's gonna get every microsecond scrutinized by the Nolancompoops for being inferior to the Bale films. And honestly, while it might not be deserving, I'd have to admit that it's wholly justified coming so close after the last film in Nolan's franchise. People are gonna still be fresh on TDKR, especially with the BR/DVD that I'd argue the comparison would almost be reflex.

 

[DarthBakura]

5 years... hows that not enough time to allow for a reboot... they are already talking about a batman reboot due out in 2016.

To be fair, this reboot came after the Spidey 4 plans fell through the roof. I think the only thing that remained was the idea to use the Lizard as the villain. The rest of that initial project was completely scrapped.

I'm still not entirely sure why it was rebooted. My guess is Sony was pushing for it, due to wanting to compete with Avengers... or team up with them, with a more accurate Spidey.

As for Batman, it does look pretty bad when Warner Bros is talking about the reboot when TDKR barely made it out the door.

 

[meanstreak]

To be fair, this reboot came after the Spidey 4 plans fell through the roof. I think the only thing that remained was the idea to use the Lizard as the villain. The rest of that initial project was completely scrapped.

I'm still not entirely sure why it was rebooted. My guess is Sony was pushing for it, due to wanting to compete with Avengers... or team up with them, with a more accurate Spidey.

As for Batman, it does look pretty bad when Warner Bros is talking about the reboot when TDKR barely made it out the door.

Well I think it makes more sense cause TDKR has been marketed as "The END" since the get go. Nobody is expecting a fourth film, everyone knows a reboot is coming. Not like Spidey 3 - 4. Spidey 3 just sucked ass. Nobody knew they were going to start from the beginning again.

 

[DarthBakura]

Yeah, but they could've held off on talks until after the Blu Ray at least. Talking about it so soon only serves to make them appear all to eager to be done with Nolan, for whatever reason.

And nam is right. Even if the reboot is good, or decent, it will be hard to live up to people's expectations of the previous franchise. If it's just more of the same, it might not do as well. It will really have to push the envelope to impress people.

Perhaps not though. four years is a long time to forget the past and build up a lot of hype. Case in point... Amazing Spider-man. Granted, I like both franchises.

 

[thenammagazine]

Yeah, but they could've held off on talks until after the Blu Ray at least. Talking about it so soon only serves to make them appear all to eager to be done with Nolan, for whatever reason.

And nam is right. Even if the reboot is good, or decent, it will be hard to live up to people's expectations of the previous franchise. If it's just more of the same, it might not do as well. It will really have to push the envelope to impress people.

Perhaps not though. four years is a long time to forget the past and build up a lot of hype. Case in point... Amazing Spider-man. Granted, I like both franchises.

The only escape from that would be to continue with Blake in the cowl and set up a possible Dark Knight Returns scenario for the future with Bale and Nolan returning.

 

[DarthBakura]

I wouldn't mind Blake as Batman. In fact, I kind of want him to have his own off-shoot movie. However, Nolan is done with Bats. Bale... who knows.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Easy. Even if it's good it's gonna suck. It's gonna get every microsecond scrutinized by the Nolancompoops for being inferior to the Bale films. And honestly, while it might not be deserving, I'd have to admit that it's wholly justified coming so close after the last film in Nolan's franchise. People are gonna still be fresh on TDKR, especially with the BR/DVD that I'd argue the comparison would almost be reflex.

It'll be worse as the last film of that trilogy didn't suck ball like SM3 did

People want a fourth Nolan Batman, not so many wanted SM4 after the fail of SM3 and the predictible MJ kets kidnapped and saved and villain kills himself predictablity that raimi brought.

Imo reboots are a good thing as once a series reaches all it can provide with the current cast and characters it becomes stale, ASM revamped Spidey just like BB revamped Batman and XFC revamped X-Men

 

[thenammagazine]

Imo reboots are a good thing as once a series reaches all it can provide with the current cast and characters it becomes stale, ASM revamped Spidey just like BB revamped Batman and XFC revamped X-Men

I disagree. Reboots are halfassed and show a complete lack of creativity on the part of Hollywood. So the last movie sucked. So work your ass of and make up for it with the sequel. Very seldom do reboots live up to justification. ASM is a perfect example of one that didn't (IMHO) and Batman is doomed to follow in it's footsteps in 2014/2015.

 

[DarthBakura]

It'll be worse as the last film of that trilogy didn't suck ball like SM3 did

People want a fourth Nolan Batman, not so many wanted SM4 after the fail of SM3 and the predictible MJ kets kidnapped and saved and villain kills himself predictablity that raimi brought.

Imo reboots are a good thing as once a series reaches all it can provide with the current cast and characters it becomes stale, ASM revamped Spidey just like BB revamped Batman and XFC revamped X-Men

Reboots are a touchy subject for me. On the one hand, I like them. On the other, they kind of irk me. Sometimes they aren't even warranted. And then sometimes all that is needed is a little more heart and effort.

However, no one can seriously say, with a straight face, that Batman didn't need a reboot after Batman and Robin.

 

[thenammagazine]

Reboots are a touchy subject for me. On the one hand, I like them. On the other, they kind of irk me. Sometimes they aren't even warranted. And then sometimes all that is needed is a little more heart and effort.

However, no one can seriously say, with a straight face, that Batman didn't need a reboot after Batman and Robin.

As you put it. That's a prime example of a movie that needed just a little (well, a lot ) more heart and effort. The cast was perfect, but the camp factor, though relevant to the comics, was too much.

 

[DarthBakura]

Nah, not even heart and effort could've saved that sinking ship. They would've had to hire the best director in all the land and even then he would be disheartened by standing in such a massive pile of ****.

Batman Begins is the one reboot I never second guessed or questioned. Ever. Schumacher ruined Batman cinema for me, after Burton left.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

As you put it. That's a prime example of a movie that needed just a little (well, a lot ) more heart and effort. The cast was perfect, but the camp factor, though relevant to the comics, was too much.

Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze, Perfect Casting?...

Batman Begins is the one reboot I never second guessed or questioned. Ever. Schumacher ruined Batman cinema for me, after Burton left.

Felt the same about Raimi and SM3, which is why i was absolutley fine with a reboot

 

[thenammagazine]

Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze, Perfect Casting?...

If he hadn't cheeseballed it, absolutely. Given you posted a masterbation orgasm gif, you agree.

 

[UltraMarknus]

I disagree. Reboots are halfassed and show a complete lack of creativity on the part of Hollywood. So the last movie sucked. So work your ass of and make up for it with the sequel. Very seldom do reboots live up to justification. ASM is a perfect example of one that didn't (IMHO) and Batman is doomed to follow in it's footsteps in 2014/2015.

Well said. I can't think of an instance where an installment of a series blew and then they came back and revitalized it. I don't think SM3 was THAT bad but no, it wasn't THAT good. I think the series could've been saved. They could've kept the symbiote alive and went with a Carnage theme. They could've given Spidey a little more of an edge now that he knew what ruthlessness he was capable of. A lot of good villians in the Spidey universe. Hell, even a Punisher crossover. It just wasn't dead but unfortunately people can't accept a movie that is "off" and will get the pitchforks out for anyone involved. Ah well, hopefully the ASM is start to something good!

 

[Deckard]

Well said. I can't think of an instance where an installment of a series blew and then they came back and revitalized it. I don't think SM3 was THAT bad but no, it wasn't THAT good. I think the series could've been saved. They could've kept the symbiote alive and went with a Carnage theme. They could've given Spidey a little more of an edge now that he knew what ruthlessness he was capable of. A lot of good villians in the Spidey universe. Hell, even a Punisher crossover. It just wasn't dead but unfortunately people can't accept a movie that is "off" and will get the pitchforks out for anyone involved. Ah well, hopefully the ASM is start to something good!

It wasn't canned because SM3 was atrocious, it was canned because Raimi didn't want to play ball.

This Batman didn't need to end, they could have brought in Robin, kept Bruce and Selina and done : Riddler, Penguin, Hush, Hugo Strange, Black Mask, Great White Shark, Harley Quinn, Ventriloquist, Zsasz, Pyg, etc etc. But Heath died and Nolan's world apparently ended.

 

[DiFabio]

not so many wanted SM4 after the fail of SM3

Hahaha, that's not true at all.

From 2007 to 2010 (that's a good 3 solid years) nobody had a reboot on their mind, no one. Did Spider-Man 3 fail to meet most people's expectations? Certainly, mine included, but it definitely wasn't the failure people make it out to be. The rebooting came out of no where and surprised everyone, those for and against it.

Spider-Man 4 was imminent, everyone, including fans were throwing around ideas. Lizard, symbiotes, love interests, villains, where would Maguire Spider-Man go? You had interviews with Raimi and Tobey Maguire talking about Spider-Man 4, there was hype on message boards. "Raimi can do better".

People didn't want a Spider-Man 4? Maybe not until the reboot was announced in 2010/2011. I'll give you that. Prior to that though? That's a crock of ****. Unless all those long ass posts and pages and pages of discussion for "Spider-Man 4" was something I just imagined.

 

[ironwez20]

Yes until raimi announced the villains of vulture and vultress. I have no idea why he wanted the **** villain in the movies do badly. An old man with wings how awesome.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

Hahaha, that's not true at all.

From 2007 to 2010 (that's a good 3 solid years) nobody had a reboot on their mind, no one. Did Spider-Man 3 fail to meet most people's expectations? Certainly, mine included, but it definitely wasn't the failure people make it out to be. The rebooting came out of no where and surprised everyone, those for and against it.

Spider-Man 4 was imminent, everyone, including fans were throwing around ideas. Lizard, symbiotes, love interests, villains, where would Maguire Spider-Man go? You had interviews with Raimi and Tobey Maguire talking about Spider-Man 4, there was hype on message boards. "Raimi can do better".

People didn't want a Spider-Man 4? Maybe not until the reboot was announced in 2010/2011. I'll give you that. Prior to that though? That's a crock of ****. Unless all those long ass posts and pages and pages of discussion for "Spider-Man 4" was something I just imagined.

I'll re-phrase to 'not as many people had hope it'd be good', buy the time SM3 had finished people were realising the regurgiated Mj gets kidnapped story had been present in all three which means it'd likely be present for SM4 too.

I heard there was gonne be a lady vulture or some such non-sense? can't recall for sure though.

It wasn't canned because SM3 was atrocious, it was canned because Raimi didn't want to play ball.

IIRC the Batman movie AFTER Batman & Robin was planned and then canned because of the poor B&R films response. I'd say the combination of Raimi not wanting to play balll with their ideas as well as the reaction of 3 inclined them to make the decision to reboot, and it worked out for the best imo.

Well said. I can't think of an instance where an installment of a series blew and then they came back and revitalized it. I don't think SM3 was THAT bad but no, it wasn't THAT good. I think the series could've been saved. They could've kept the symbiote alive and went with a Carnage theme. They could've given Spidey a little more of an edge now that he knew what ruthlessness he was capable of. A lot of good villians in the Spidey universe. Hell, even a Punisher crossover. It just wasn't dead but unfortunately people can't accept a movie that is "off" and will get the pitchforks out for anyone involved. Ah well, hopefully the ASM is start to something good!

It probably could've been saved but they cut potential sequel stuff from SM3. Harry died as well as the symbiote, so no Carnage and no Goblin.

People say the film was never planned to be the last but the trilogy was about Harry's descent to evil, from film one all through two with his death in three, end of one of the key themes of the films

 

[DiFabio]

Vultress or some crap, yeah. That went on for a week, who knows if that was even true.

I think Raimi wanted to go with Vulture and someone else (the Lizard?), but there was a disagreement and Sony suggested making the Vulture a female instead (they didn't think the Vulture would be strong enough on his own).

Whatever happened, there was a disagreement and a falling out. Who knows.