The Amazing Spider-Man - OPEN SPOILERS NOW

[CelticPredator]

*bows*.....

 

[The Iron Koob]

Here it is! The list!

Black is Raimi






I win.

He does win. I didn't realize it was that similar. In fact, it seemd to have a little less because I was a kid and I thought Spider-man could be real. Spider-man 1 & 2 were magical. I'd love to see Doc Oc again but not if they're just gonna do the same thing. Hopefully they will do a proper venom. The black spider-man episode was always my favorite. And Carnage. I really just want this new series for the figures although I don't like the new costume much. Although Hot Toys passed on the Lizard so I guess there's no point in collecting this series. I wonder if they'll ever go back and give us Doc Oct?

 

[ironwez20]

Most people know jack **** about the character. The movie has to appeal to the masses, people who don't read comics. And to someone who hasn't...the movie isn't different from the previous films. Minus the better visual style, this movie had none.

The masses no how spiderman is done, any guy on the street knows how spiderman is done. The raimi movie didnt create the spiderman story the comic did and alot of people thanks to the show's know more than they need to know about spidey.

 

[CelticPredator]

The masses no how spiderman is done, any guy on the street knows how spiderman is done. The raimi movie didnt create the spiderman story the comic did and alot of people thanks to the show's know more than they need to know about spidey.

First off, it's two extra letters for **** sakes.

Second of, most people know Spider-Man is a comic, but most people don't read them. Or never have. So the Raimi movies, the cartoons, the TV shows, Electric Company is their only knowledge of the character.

But lets just consider the movies by themselves. That's how I, and many others really got to get a real taste of Spider-Man. Seeing this new one, it has barely anything different. You can't say just because he shoots web, and has more parents issues, that it's a different movie. It's not. It's the same movie, almost beat by beat.

Which was a wrong movie. And if it was as close to the comics as you say, then that means that the Raimi movies stuck a lot closer then the fan boys say. Because it's the same thing.

 

[Fernandofan08]

First off, it's two extra letters for **** sakes.

Second of, most people know Spider-Man is a comic, but most people don't read them. Or never have. So the Raimi movies, the cartoons, the TV shows, Electric Company is their only knowledge of the character.

But lets just consider the movies by themselves. That's how I, and many others really got to get a real taste of Spider-Man. Seeing this new one, it has barely anything different. You can't say just because he shoots web, and has more parents issues, that it's a different movie. It's not. It's the same movie, almost beat by beat.

Which was a wrong movie. And if it was as close to the comics as you say, then that means that the Raimi movies stuck a lot closer then the fan boys say. Because it's the same thing.

To be honest, its the 2nd film which you judge on. The only way to compare Spider-man and The Amazing Spiderman is on little things and how you prefered the origin story.

The way I see Raimi's film is like the 1994 Spider-man cartoon; Peters more grown up, adult. He's bulky and muscley, theres not much cockiness in there.

ASM I see as more of a Ultimate spiderman. He's still in school, real cocky, bigheaded, its the super thin version of spidey who has a slight edge of immaturity.

Like i said, the 2nd film is where you can compare story-to-story. But for me, I prefer ASM's version of Peter Parker and Spiderman, as I like the cockiness (though some lines felt abit forced) and I like the way theyve used Gwen instead of MJ. I liked the moral dilemmas more, I like the messages in the film which I dont recal Raimi's film having them.

But, I prefer Raimi's Green Goblin as a villain in the first film. I hated the p*ss poor CGI in ASM for Lizard and I hated lizards design. But, Rhys Ifans i felt was a superb Curt Connors, and I feel that ASM did a better job of Peter becoming Spiderman, and the deaths of uncle ben and Captain Stacey brought more maturity to Peter.

its like in ASM we've watched part of him grow up. Raimi's films, Peter was already grown up, he nailed the guy who Murdered uncle ben in 5 minuets, bish bash bosh all wrapped up.

Im looking forward to ASM2 hopefully, where we see Spiderman getting his revenge on the murderer, knowing he is still out there will haunt and anger Spiderman, meaning we've still got some unfinished business with BOTH uncle Ben AND his family, which I feel will make an intriguing film.

Thats what Raimi's films lacked IMO. There was nothing about Peter or his families past. It was just next villain of the day, kill that villain whilst redeeming him as a normal human being, and rinse/repeat.

It annoyed me how Raimi killed Green Goblin and Doc Ock. Im surprised they didnt kill off Harry or Brock. I mean lets be honest, Harry was lame and so was Venom in SM3. They killed Green Goblin far too soon, and they killed Doc Ock which was just plain wrong.

Im hoping that they dont kill any villains in ASM film's.

 

[DGTWoodward]

Im surprised they didnt kill off Harry or Brock. I mean lets be honest, Harry was lame and so was Venom in SM3.

Erm...they did, didn't they? Or am I 'Film-Hallucinating' again?

 

[DiFabio]

its like in ASM we've watched part of him grow up. Raimi's films, Peter was already grown up, he nailed the guy who Murdered uncle ben in 5 minuets, bish bash bosh all wrapped up.

We see Peter mature in Spider-Man.

"These are the years when a man changes into the man he's going to be for the rest of his life. Just be careful who you change into."

"With great power comes great responsibility."

Who cares if the carjacker plot is wrapped up in 5 minutes? It's done brilliantly. There's an arc for Peter there and it's much deeper than the Amazing Spider-man.

And besides, everyone keeps making claims of "comic accuracy". Doesn't Peter catch Uncle Ben's killer in the first issue? What purpose does the killer serve other than,

- Not being stopped by Peter out of revenge/cockiness
- Killing Uncle Ben as a result of Peter's mistake
- Being caught so Peter is aware of the mistake he made and learns "with great power comes great responsibility"

This shouldn't take multiple films to cover, that's just stupid.

Im looking forward to ASM2 hopefully, where we see Spiderman getting his revenge on the murderer, knowing he is still out there will haunt and anger Spiderman, meaning we've still got some unfinished business with BOTH uncle Ben AND his family, which I feel will make an intriguing film.

Yeah, maybe the murderer will really be Sandman . . . we need to see all these things over again.

Thats what Raimi's films lacked IMO. There was nothing about Peter or his families past. It was just next villain of the day, kill that villain whilst redeeming him as a normal human being, and rinse/repeat.

Who cares about his parents? His aunt and uncle are his paternal figures, he's an orphan. When you get into that "SUPER SECRET GOVERNMENT AGENTS/SCIENTISTS" crap it distracts from Peter Parker and Spider-Man.

Raimi's films lacked things about Peter and family? All of them were about Peter and family. Peter and Uncle Ben, the dysfunctional relationship between Norman and Harry Osborn, Norman and Peter, Peter and Aunt May, Peter and Mary Jane, etc. etc.

"I had a father, his name was Ben Parker."

It's also not about "the villain of the week". If anyone thinks that Spider-Man 2 is about "the villain of the day", they're mistaken. Spider-Man 2 is all about Peter Parker and his struggles with the Spider-Man persona and his obligations and responsibilities.

It annoyed me how Raimi killed Green Goblin and Doc Ock. Im surprised they didnt kill off Harry or Brock. I mean lets be honest, Harry was lame and so was Venom in SM3. They killed Green Goblin far too soon, and they killed Doc Ock which was just plain wrong.

Most villains in comic book movies die, that's just how it is. I don't know why this is a problem for some people or how it distracts from the story that's being told. Most actors that are villains aren't contractually held to appear in sequels, most films are one and done stories without being sequel bait, etc. etc.

 

[Fernandofan08]

We see Peter mature in Spider-Man.

"These are the years when a man changes into the man he's going to be for the rest of his life. Just be careful who you change into."

"With great power comes great responsibility."

Who cares if the carjacker plot is wrapped up in 5 minutes? It's done brilliantly. There's an arc for Peter there and it's much deeper than the Amazing Spider-man.

And besides, everyone keeps making claims of "comic accuracy". Doesn't Peter catch Uncle Ben's killer in the first issue? What purpose does the killer serve other than,

- Not being stopped by Peter out of revenge/cockiness
- Killing Uncle Ben as a result of Peter's mistake
- Being caught so Peter is aware of the mistake he made and learns "with great power comes great responsibility"

This shouldn't take multiple films to cover, that's just stupid.



Yeah, maybe the murderer will really be Sandman . . . we need to see all these things over again.



Who cares about his parents? His aunt and uncle are his paternal figures, he's an orphan. When you get into that "SUPER SECRET GOVERNMENT AGENTS/SCIENTISTS" crap it distracts from Peter Parker and Spider-Man.

Raimi's films lacked things about Peter and family? All of them were about Peter and family. Peter and Uncle Ben, the dysfunctional relationship between Norman and Harry Osborn, Norman and Peter, Peter and Aunt May, Peter and Mary Jane, etc. etc.

"I had a father, his name was Ben Parker."

It's also not about "the villain of the week". If anyone thinks that Spider-Man 2 is about "the villain of the day", they're mistaken. Spider-Man 2 is all about Peter Parker and his struggles with the Spider-Man persona and his obligations and responsibilities.



Most villains in comic book movies die, that's just how it is. I don't know why this is a problem for some people or how it distracts from the story that's being told. Most actors that are villains aren't contractually held to appear in sequels, most films are one and done stories without being sequel bait, etc. etc.

1) Its done to the comics. And its done in 5 minuets. It wasnt done bad at all. But im liking how its giving Peter in ASM a goal. Sorry if that breaks the mould.

2) What arc?

3) Everyone else might make claims of comic book accuracy, not me though. So no real point quoting me in that part. Some things are great from the comics, some dont work. Goes for any film out there.

4) The killer serves whatever purpose the creator wants. He can still be alive and not be caught, and meet every one of those bullet points. SM wrapped it up in 5 minuets and it was solid and perfectly comic accurate. ASM is going for a different take on that, doesnt mean it wont be solid and great just because its not done in 5 minuets. I personally, am looking forward to the revenge element AFTER becoming established as a Hero in ASM.

5) How is it stupid, if the killer goes underground and yknow, only just starting as Spiderman means he doesnt know how to find him? He hunted down many blonde long haired guys, but they werent him. The police went after him but then the bigger picture came; Lizard on the loose, New York in peril. Puts personal revenge aside to protect the city and the people he cares for. How is that stupid may I ask?

6) So your happy not to bother with Peters Parents then? Seeing as they are the key to making Peter live with Ben and May, its kind of important. Sorry is the last film just totally made his parents dead. I always thought they were murdered working for SHIELD or the CIA. Kind of a big deal as it would affect your childhood and it clearly did sometimes affect Ben/Peters relationship.

7) Raimi's family

 

[jedijim3002]

Just saying you are going to steal something or have stolen something in a public forum on the Internet is not smart. This is not a safe place to share your misdeeds. Why people think its ok to do the same thing on Facebook always makes me cringe. There are eyes and ears watching everywhere.

FBI
CIA
Interpol
FCC

To name a few.

Anyway back to the movie. Thought it was great and ill be buying an official blue ray copy for sure.

 

[K07]

We see Peter mature in Spider-Man.

"These are the years when a man changes into the man he's going to be for the rest of his life. Just be careful who you change into."

"With great power comes great responsibility."

Who cares if the carjacker plot is wrapped up in 5 minutes? It's done brilliantly. There's an arc for Peter there and it's much deeper than the Amazing Spider-man.

And besides, everyone keeps making claims of "comic accuracy". Doesn't Peter catch Uncle Ben's killer in the first issue? What purpose does the killer serve other than,

- Not being stopped by Peter out of revenge/cockiness
- Killing Uncle Ben as a result of Peter's mistake
- Being caught so Peter is aware of the mistake he made and learns "with great power comes great responsibility"

This shouldn't take multiple films to cover, that's just stupid.



Yeah, maybe the murderer will really be Sandman . . . we need to see all these things over again.



Who cares about his parents? His aunt and uncle are his paternal figures, he's an orphan. When you get into that "SUPER SECRET GOVERNMENT AGENTS/SCIENTISTS" crap it distracts from Peter Parker and Spider-Man.

Raimi's films lacked things about Peter and family? All of them were about Peter and family. Peter and Uncle Ben, the dysfunctional relationship between Norman and Harry Osborn, Norman and Peter, Peter and Aunt May, Peter and Mary Jane, etc. etc.

"I had a father, his name was Ben Parker."

It's also not about "the villain of the week". If anyone thinks that Spider-Man 2 is about "the villain of the day", they're mistaken. Spider-Man 2 is all about Peter Parker and his struggles with the Spider-Man persona and his obligations and responsibilities.




Most villains in comic book movies die, that's just how it is. I don't know why this is a problem for some people or how it distracts from the story that's being told. Most actors that are villains aren't contractually held to appear in sequels, most films are one and done stories without being sequel bait, etc. etc.

As brilliant as Celtic's post of similarities.

This post makes me want to own SM1 and SM2 on DVD despite there being no definitive ending to the series.... They should make a retconned third part as an animated movie or comic series. Seriously, does ANYONE like SM3?

 

[thenammagazine]

As brilliant as Celtic's post of similarities.

This post makes me want to own SM1 and SM2 on DVD despite there being no definitive ending to the series.... They should make a retconned third part as an animated movie or comic series. Seriously, does ANYONE like SM3?

Take out Venom and it's a decent follow-up.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

But lets just consider the movies by themselves. That's how I, and many others really got to get a real taste of Spider-Man. Seeing this new one, it has barely anything different. You can't say just because he shoots web, and has more parents issues, that it's a different movie. It's not. It's the same movie, almost beat by beat.

In Spider-Man Peter gets bitten develops organic webs, graduates high school, move in with Harry, starts college gets a job at the daily bugle,
Kissing Mary Jane, Fights the Green Goblin on the street, in a burning building and on a bridge.

In ASM Peter investigates his Parents disappearapence, gets bitten, builds webshooters, hunts the killer of his Uncle, starts dating Gwen Stacy, becomes a wanted man, fights the Lizard in a sewer, in his high school and on a skyscraper.

It's like looking in a fricken mirror, NOT!

Thought it was great and ill be buying an official blue ray copy for sure.

Me too

 

[K07]

SM3 decent without Venom? I'm going to have to disagree on that one. My biggest issue is what they did with Harry's story arc. All I wanted to see was the conclusion to his hatred of Spider-Man and it was done horribly. His relationship with MJ was bad too.

In Spider-Man Peter gets bitten develops organic webs, graduates high school, move in with Harry, starts college gets a job at the daily bugle,
Kissing Mary Jane, Fights the Green Goblin on the street, in a burning building and on a bridge.

In ASM Peter investigates his Parents disappearapence, gets bitten, builds webshooters, hunts the killer of his Uncle, starts dating Gwen Stacy, becomes a wanted man, fights the Lizard in a sewer, in his high school and on a skyscraper.

It's like looking in a fricken mirror, NOT!

You're right, there are many differences in this film. Were there enough substantial differences to make this feel like a new movie or a movie worth seeing after seeing Raimi's? Nope. Not really...

Oh, and you forgot to include the fact that Parker is indeed a different character. Instead of a socially inept dork, he's become a socially inept jerk. Change not for the better.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

SM3 decent without Venom? I'm going to have to disagree on that one. My biggest issue is what they did with Harry's story arc. All I wanted to see was the conclusion to his hatred of Spider-Man and it was done horribly. His relationship with MJ was bad too.



You're right, there are many differences in this film. Were there enough substantial differences to make this feel like a new movie or a movie worth seeing after seeing Raimi's? Nope. Not really...

Oh, and you forgot to include the fact that Parker is indeed a different character. Instead of a socially inept dork, he's become a socially inept jerk. Change not for the better.

What else is there?

The entire thing is practically different the only thing left is to have him not be Spider-Man or live in new york

I'm getting this Steelbook

 

[DiFabio]

SM3 decent without Venom? I'm going to have to disagree on that one. My biggest issue is what they did with Harry's story arc. All I wanted to see was the conclusion to his hatred of Spider-Man and it was done horribly. His relationship with MJ was bad too.

They handled Harry Osborn so well in Spider-Man 1 and 2 too so it's a shame to see what came to be.

For me, that was supposed to be one of the most important aspects of Spider-Man 3, the Harry Osborn/The Green Goblin arc. They botched it though in pretty much every way. I HATED that amnesia bit. That's my biggest problem with any threequel, the convenience and contrived nature of the story telling. It's like the directors and writers don't know where else to go. TDKR is a big culprit of this with John Blake ("I knew you were Batman by seeing your eyes), Alfred ("During Batman Begins I went to Italy Master Broose"), etc.

It's like they didn't know what to do with him when they could have REALLY explored the relationships between Harry and the rest of the characters.

Every character other than J. Jonah Jameson and Aunt may seemed to devolve into a mess of a character. Mary Jane was great in the first two, then in the third, it was like she was over staying her welcome and just came off as annoying and self centered. Peter? You could have had a darker, conflicted version of him in the suit, not an over the top emo thing.

 

[K07]

What else is there?

The entire thing is practically different the only thing left is to have him not be Spider-Man or live in new york

I'm getting this Steelbook

Oh, there's still this you conveniently seem to always ignore. Stop asking what else is similar. It's all right there. The differences you named are superficial compared to the similarities.

And don't tell me that "they're using the comics to show the origin, not copying off Raimi." If Raimi did it so accurately before, why show us the same story again???

They handled Harry Osborn so well in Spider-Man 1 and 2 too so it's a shame to see what came to be.

For me, that was supposed to be one of the most important aspects of Spider-Man 3, the Harry Osborn/The Green Goblin arc. They botched it though in pretty much every way. I HATED that amnesia bit.

It's the build up in SM1 and SM2 to a better story that makes SM3 such a failure. And a result, it makes my enjoyment for the original two go down knowing I'll never see a decent conclusion to that story.

 

[Uncanny Web-Slinger]

^^ thats is a good list of similarities.

I however focus on the content of the scenes in the film playing there on the screen rather than the layout of the scenes or any other films that aren't playing before my eyes.

 

[thenammagazine]

In Spider-Man Peter gets bitten develops organic webs, graduates high school, move in with Harry, starts college gets a job at the daily bugle,
Kissing Mary Jane, Fights the Green Goblin on the street, in a burning building and on a bridge.

In ASM Peter investigates his Parents disappearapence, gets bitten, builds webshooters, hunts the killer of his Uncle, starts dating Gwen Stacy, becomes a wanted man, fights the Lizard in a sewer, in his high school and on a skyscraper.

It's like looking in a fricken mirror, NOT!

 

[Niltusk]

What else is there?

The entire thing is practically different the only thing left is to have him not be Spider-Man or live in new york
I'm getting this Steelbook

Maybe he could move to Gotham, I hear they need a hero now.

 

[pixletwin]