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3D Touch opens a brand new door of possibilities. Apples use of it in the OS is very pedestrian at this point but I expect app and game developers to run with it. Apple is pretty much using it as a right click and a regular tap as the left click.


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New iPhones

12.9" iPad with 4GB of memory - supports optional landscape keyboard docking covers & pressure sensitive pencil device

New AppleTV with last year's iPhone processor, 32 or 64GB of storage and app-store support, including voice navigation and touch control on new remote

Watch OS 2 with native app support

New Watch bands and faces, including partnership with Hermes

How do you know the iPad Pro has 4GB of memory? I haven't been able to see that anywhere...
 
How do you know the iPad Pro has 4GB of memory? I haven't been able to see that anywhere...

Adobe leaked it first, now I think it may have been corroborated by anonymous developers. I'd say it's one of the few attributes that lend it any credibility as a pro device in the first place, so it's a good thing they didn't pack only 2GB into it. We may finally see some better apps from Adobe for this thing.
 
I'm going to preface this by saying I've been an Apple lover for many years. I love MacOSX (SO much more intuitive than Windows), I've been through three MacBook Pros over the last 10 years, and I've never had a smartphone that wasn't an iPhone.

I don't get the iPad Pro. I don't get who it's target demographic is.

I've been wanting to get a tablet for a long time. But what I really want is a tablet that can be a functional computer replacement. The iPad is NOT that, not by a long shot. If it had OSX on it, I would post that "Shut Up and Take My Money!" meme. But it doesn't. Simple things like file management are a pain in the butt on the iPad. My company (who has a bunch of iPads despite my recommending against them) spent thousands on server software that allows you to do things like manage files, connect to remote servers, upload, etc. Stuff that Mac OSX and Windows CAN DO BY DEFAULT.

I get the point of the iPad, though. It's for people who want to sit and chill on the couch and browse the web and play games, and for basic work.

The iPad Pro, though, seems to be marketing itself towards people who actually want to use it for business productivity. And I'm sorry, but until they load a real OS on it, Surface just makes more logical sense.

Oh, and I'm planning to get a Surface Pro 4 once it's released in the fall. It does what I WISH the iPad Pro would do. First Windows machine bought in many, many years. Ah well.
 
I agree.. If they are serious about this being targeted towards business users it needs its own PRO OS that allows more functionality than iOS.


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IMO, "business" use is precisely what the iPad is good for when you're using business software. "Business" can be, more often than not, segmented into vertical markets and to cater to those markets best, specialized and tightly integrated software can be used. This is Apple's enterprise focus with IBM and IMO, one of the reasons this new iPad was created. You don't need wide-open file management when you're plugging away all day within one or two apps.

A full-featured OS like Windows and OSX are productivity killers. There are too many distractions.
 
I get what you're saying...if you're in that line of work. If you're working solely in one or two business apps, fine. Makes sense. Our accounting department here at work for example spends all day in our accounting software. My wife, a branch manager for a bank spends pretty much all day in their proprietary software. Definitely keeps productivity up to limit you that way.

BUT. Not everyone works that way. I'm in IT. I'm bouncing in and out of various applications all day long, and working in Photoshop, working on servers, file management, FTP, etc. Makes it useless for me...and for the majority of our users, the #1 complaint about iPads is no access to file management. I've got executives who go into meetings and need to review spreadsheets, docs, pdfs, etc. WHY the heck can't you put a folder on the desktop organized for the meeting with all the files in it that you can click on?

Maybe there should be more open-ended options to lock portions of the OS down for certain users, or to load either iOS or OSX on it based on preference. But again, if you're marketing it as being as completely all-around productive (no matter what you're doing with it) as a Surface, I'm sorry, but you're going to lose. Every time I get on an iPad and a user asks me a question, I think, "well, if this had a real OS, that would be easy..."

It's funny, besides accounting, I can't think of a single department in my company that fits what you're saying about market segmentation. Admins all the way up to the President really struggle without a basic file structure. I have one Leasing person who got fed up with not being able to get to his data in an easy way and gave up his iPad and just started carrying around a MacBook.

IMO, "business" use is precisely what the iPad is good for when you're using business software. "Business" can be, more often than not, segmented into vertical markets and to cater to those markets best, specialized and tightly integrated software can be used. This is Apple's enterprise focus with IBM and IMO, one of the reasons this new iPad was created. You don't need wide-open file management when you're plugging away all day within one or two apps.

A full-featured OS like Windows and OSX are productivity killers. There are too many distractions.
 
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I'm bouncing in and out of various applications all day long, and working in Photoshop, working on servers, file management, FTP, etc. Makes it useless for me...

An iPad isn't the right tool for you, agreed. I'll go further in saying I don't think a touch-screen computing device is right for what you're mentioning above either.

WRT the executives you mentioned, there's no need for a central file repository to do what you've mentioned they're looking for. Don't get me wrong, an iPad is definitely not the right tool for me either and I need a proper file system with good file system tools like Path Finder (regular Finder is useless). But that exec you mentioned doesn't. He wouldn't know what to do with a file system frankly. For the vast majority of people out there it's just easier to tap the spreadsheet app, tap the PDF app, etc. Your docs will automagically be available there.

There are a lot of limiting factors when you're trying to use an iPad as a general purpose computer, even in a task as seemingly simple as applying for a job. Try for instance visiting a web site to submit your amazing PDF resume. Maybe that's easier now with extensible share sheets, but when my wife was looking for work two years ago she was constantly having to use my MBP.

Surface is still a sales stinker, so if nothing else, it's very clear to me that Apple has the better strategy at the moment.
 
There are a lot of limiting factors when you're trying to use an iPad as a general purpose computer, even in a task as seemingly simple as applying for a job. Try for instance visiting a web site to submit your amazing PDF resume. Maybe that's easier now with extensible share sheets, but when my wife was looking for work two years ago she was constantly having to use my MBP.

This is what I was hitting at, you hit the nail on the head. It's not useful as a general purpose computer, which is why I don't get what it's trying to be. Why have two (three, really - an iPad, iPhone, and a computer) devices when you really only need one (well, two, I don't see any larger tablet replacing a phone) ? :)

I want to have a computer that can be a tablet when I want to sit in front of the TV and browse the web, and a computer when I need it. I don't think that's too ridiculous a request - the Surface does all that. Why can't Apple?

The answer, I guess, is that I'm not the target demographic here. As you said, for working groups that only stay in one app, this is the way to go. For simple end users, it makes sense. I'd disagree on the execs - the biggest questions I get is "How do I get to my network drives?" "How do I download a file?" "Where the heck did that Word doc go?" "Why can't I see the doc in this app when I browse for a file in this other app?" etc...all of which would be resolved if there was an option for it to have Finder, I would think. And as far as the iPad, I get it - these type of users weren't what it was designed for, originally. I don't get it when they made it the iPad Pro, because they're trying to do all the stuff Surface does but still limiting it's functionality so dramatically.

They cynic tells me it's so that Apple can sell more devices. Oh yeah, you have an iPhone already but you need an iWatch too (another device I just don't think I'm the target demo for - are we really so lazy we can't pull a phone out of our pockets?). And you need an iPad when you need a little more functionality than just your Phone, but if you also need to do general computing, then you also need a MacBook. Oh, and of course, you need an AppleTV too.

Of course, every company's job is to sell you a product, so I'm not faulting them for it. Obviously Microsoft would love to sell you their fit bit-thing (can't recall the name of it), an Xbox, etc. I just feel like I can get by with an iPhone and a Surface and not need anything else...I'd love to give Apple my money here, but it just doesn't make sense for me personally.

I have yet to see an argument that the iPad Pro wouldn't be BETTER with a better OS with more functionality. Or at least, the option of it.

(BTW, I'm just talking, not trying to start a fight or anything :) )
 
I think what you're saying makes a lot of sense and the product you're after would definitely be better for you AND me both. But I don't think it would necessarily be a better product for everyone. I do think there should be some enhancement to iOS to make the concerns of your execs go away, but I don't think it needs to copy OSX or have an icon/windowed Finder to accomplish that. I've long advocated for a shared documents repository on the device that would allow multiple apps to more easily work on the same files - sort of like what can already be done with Photos, just "better" and without getting in your way quite as much.

I wrote off the iPad as being totally unsuitable for me personally except in vertical usage as I mentioned earlier. It can do more than one vertical task of course, but best used for one specific integrated task at a time. Example: Dedicated music controller. Dedicated inventory management device. Game player. Etc.
 
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Imma gonna wait till the 7 I think. Hope they go for broke and make a cool looking 7th gen phone.
 
iPhone 7. No one's figured out yet what the red button will do.

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For the most part, the "S" version of an iPhone seems to hold its value way better than a non S for some reason (I sell my iPhone's each year, and buy them at full price)

And that whole financing by Apple is complete theft If you do the math, please, don't do that.


And that pink color they've announced its going to sell like CRAZY.
 
Got my unlocked 128GB 6S PO.

Paid in full, screw contracts and apple/carrier "financing".

When in November does the new Apple TV come out?
 
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