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Yeah, she was well utilized. Like I said, it didn't feel like she got that much of a percentage of the time. But looking at the numbers it is kinda nuts that she got that much more time than Thor or Banner/Hulk. But whatever, it works. And I agree that the Hawkeye time seems a bit low. Are they discounting his scenes under Loki's control?

They are definitely counting the times were BW was just hanging in the background. I don't think she had that much even direct time in a coupling.

I think Thor 2 is going to be very interesting. How will they handle Loki and his dealings with you know who. Will you know who play a significant part in Thor 2 leading to the main event of Avengers 2 or will that be left for Avengers 3. Will Antman get off the ground and introduce the character of Ultron to the Avengers for part 2.

Ultron isn't necessary to tie back to Pym. At last check there was a draft that used Scott Lang for the bad guy who would turn good and a draft with O' Grady since it'd tie directly into SHIELD. Who knows what Wright has on paper right now.

With Banner and Stark established and even SHIELD as looking for superhuman defense tactics, an Ultron could be formed from those pieces without much effort.
 
I like the character, too. But they shouldn't bring him back at all unless it makes sense in flashbacks and/or prequels.

I dunno. I think they could rightfully pull it off and borrow a line from RoboCop. "They did this to honor him." and play Vision as a new character that only resembles Coulson and has his voice.
 
I'm so interested to see how they handle the Pym character. Will they tone him down and make him likable, or will he be the uber-****** he's always been in the comics? I mean, he's even a **** in Ultimates and Marvel Zombies. It's as much a part of his character as anything else.
 
You could pull off Coulson as Vision. Every few moments he does a pithy comment similar to ol' Phil and Tony could say "God it really does sound like him."

Vision wouldn't have to look like Coulson, just sound and act like him a bit and you'd get what you'd need. Think Jarvis, not an android that is balding.

It's doable without flipping over the shark.
 
I dunno. I think they could rightfully pull it off and borrow a line from RoboCop. "They did this to honor him." and play Vision as a new character that only resembles Coulson and has his voice.

Now that I wouldn't mind, either. Though I'd prefer that they did it without even mentioning Coulson at all. It would seem much less rote.
 
I'm so interested to see how they handle the Pym character. Will they tone him down and make him likable, or will he be the uber-****** he's always been in the comics? I mean, he's even a **** in Ultimates and Marvel Zombies. It's as much a part of his character as anything else.

Given the films seem to look to the Ultimates universe more than the standard, it'll be interesting to see whether or not they include his spousal abuse.

Who would you pick as Pym? Nathan Fallon or Kyle Chandler might be interesting.

Isn't Simon Pegg attached? Or did he bail?

Now that I wouldn't mind, either. Though I'd prefer that they did it without even mentioning Coulson at all. It would seem much less rote.

I dunno, I prefer them keeping that minute amount of Coulson though. He was the anchor for most of the films and the short was priceless. :lol
 
I'm so interested to see how they handle the Pym character. Will they tone him down and make him likable, or will he be the uber-****** he's always been in the comics? I mean, he's even a **** in Ultimates and Marvel Zombies. It's as much a part of his character as anything else.

I'm sure he'll be toned down tremendously, more of a Ryan Reynolds style annoyance than outright Hank Pym. I wouldn't be shocked though if they went with Lang or O' Grady over Pym and just gave him Pym's backstory or what they wanted to keep. DC/WB has been doing it for years in their animated products and in reality very few Ant-Man fans are going to protest it.
 
For me ateast it didn't feel like BW got too much time. Joss used her well I thought.

The way Joss did it was perfect. She got great time for those of us who really love her character. And for those of us women who needed her character to be up front. But not too much where the non hardcore fans weren't annoyed. :rock
 
Maybe Fillion isn't a bad idea, actually. Fanboys & fangirls worship him so much that he could play Pym as a complete **** proper and most would still love & cheer for the character.
 
Saw these few funny pics today on the interwebz

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The backstory behind the after-credits scene

So, if you’ve seen the movie, you know that in the climactic New York battle against the alien invaders Iron Man does something selfless and noble and nearly loses his life for it. As he tumbles back to Earth, he is rescued mid-plummet by the Hulk, who breaks the fall by surfing down the side of some buildings and deposits Iron Man’s limp form on the pulverized street below.

EW, coincidentally, was on the New Mexico set of the movie during filming of this scene, in which Chris Hemsworth’s Thor and Chris Evans’ Captain America rush over and Thor rips off Iron Man’s mask to reveal an unconscious Tony Stark.

In the original script the billionaire awakens with a start and asks, ”What’s next?”

But during filming, Downey is notorious for pushing for variations and felt that line could be something snappier. Whedon agreed, and penned several new versions of the scene in a notebook the day of shooting. ”Peek behind the curtain,” Whedon told EW, showing us the scribbles. ”It was one line — now it’s three pages.”

Those new lines were the seed that led to the last-minute scene, though no one knew that at the time — not even Whedon. Otherwise, he surely would have shot the post-credits sequence before his cast scattered and had to be reunited by the movie’s premiere.

What was in those pages? “Please tell me nobody tried to kiss me,” Stark says, looking up at a looming Thor and Cap. That line made the finished movie, but others didn’t. There were several other variations in which Stark congratulates his fellow Avengers on winning the battle, and then — realizing it’s not over yet — wearily begins making suggestions about how much time off they’re going to be owed.

The line that made the final cut was a slightly more random one: Stark learns that there is more fighting left to do, and says fine, as long as the others agree to hit a good shawarma restaurant he knows in the neighborhood. (I guess after spending all that time in the Middle East, Stark developed a taste for Arab slow-roasted meats.)

We’re not doing justice to the jokes here, but Stark’s other cracks seemed to be a little funnier than the shawarma one, which seemed a little obscure. Of course, that changes dramatically if you pay it off with a scene of Captain America, Thor, Iron Man, Black Widow, Hawkeye, and the re-humanized Hulk all grabbing an after-work bite at said restaurant.

And that, dear readers, is what Whedon and Marvel realized after the fact, too.

When The Avengers is over — and we mean over-over, when the last credit has rolled — we cut to the gang sitting silently around a table, munching on pitas like any colleagues who have just put in a lot of overtime. In the background, restaurant workers quietly clean-up debris in the apocalypse-adjacent eatery.

And they say… nothing. After saving the planet, they are spent. It’s basically an awkward kind of funny.

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It’s the day after filming the new scene — weirdly, two days after the premiere — and Chris Hemsworth and Jeremy Renner are seated at a conference table in the Four Seasons Hotel, joking about the look of their respective LEGO figurines. Mark Ruffalo is playing “Hulk SMASH!” with a few of the Hasbro toys scattered across the table while Joss Whedon looks on. We’re waiting for the rest to arrive.

Robert Downey Jr. has just entered the room, and immediately begins mocking the prosthetic that Evans needed to hide his beard for the scene. (Evans also, you’ll notice, covers his face throughout that footage by resting his cheek against his hand.)

“Where is Chris Evans? Getting his face replaced?” Downey asks.
Evans hasn’t arrived yet, but that doesn’t hold back Downey. “Chris, why the long face? Chris, why the WRONG face?” Downey says as the other guys laugh.

Ruffalo shakes his head, his lips pursed. “Oh no …”

“I felt so bad for him!” Hemsworth says, wincing. He makes a swallowed sound, like someone trying to speak through glued-shut lips.

Downey twists his face into an Elephant Man snarl. “Hey guys, I am not an animal,” he mutters.

Pah! Out of nowhere, a rocket from an Iron Man toy fires just past Ruffalo’s head, nearly hitting the real Iron Man beside him.

“What the f–k did you just do?” Downey asks, still giddy.

“Say that to my face … my real one.”

Ruffalo is still turning over the toy, trying to figure that out. “I just shot myself,” he shrugs.

Whedon, who has been silent this whole time (making ixnay eyes because THERE’S AN EW REPORTER SITTING RIGHT THERE) finally gives up, and tells Downey: “Thank you for having every reporter ask me what we were shooting.”

“You’re welcome,” Downey says, unapologetic about revealing plans for the scene at a press conference the afternoon before.
Whedon was exaggerating, of course. Not every reporter had asked that question … yet.

“So what were you shooting today?” your friendly neighborhood EW reporter inquires.

Whedon squints his eyes, like Mr. Peabody when he’s fed up with Sherman.

Downey opens his arms. “Carnival barker!” he declares. “Last night, I just wanted to make sure the excitement was there.”

Whedon breaks into an impression of what he’s been dealing with all day: “’So I hear you’re shooting a scene?’” he says in the voice of a curious reporter. Leaning back and twiddling his thumbs, the filmmaker offers his fake-smiley response: “‘I’m sure I don’t know what you mean!’”

Then Whedon decides to tell them how it turned out. “We actually went through it as you guys left. It’s awesome. We found three bits, beginning, middle, and end, and the end one was just supreme.”
“So it’s [going to be] the last 30 seconds?” Ruffalo asks.

“They. Are. Tired,” Whedon tells him. “And then at the last second, he is just like [CHOMP],” the filmmaker says, gesturing toward Hemsworth and miming a big bite from a stuffed pita.

“I thought I might be sick, by the way,” Hemsworth says. “I ate one [pita] each take, you know! And by the end, I was like, Whooooaaa …”

“Hello, sir!” Evans says cheerfully as he enters the conference room — unaware that his prosthetic-covered lower face, and the difficulty he had speaking, are the hot topic.

“Not without my beard,” Downey says, mumbling like his jaw is wired shut.

Suddenly Renner, who has been low-key this entire time, breaks into a Chris-Evans-with-prosthetic-make-up Buffalo Bill impression from The Silence of the Lambs: “‘I’d f–k me!’”

Downey, as you can imagine, just loses it.

Evans laughs along like a good sport, but it was probably easier on him when the other Avengers had their faces stuffed with shawarma.
 
I was under impression that in the last scene of TIH Banner was almost in/ if not in control of Hulk.

When Black Widow is bringing Banner in she tells us that it he has been a year since an incident.

Lastly, he tell Cap A that his secret was that he was always angry, implying that he is now in complete control of Hulk. He was being influenced by Loki on the SHIELD plane.

Yea I'm not sure why everyone is having such a hard time understanding that Loki is controlling them on the ship.
 
Bringing Coulson back as a cyborg sounds like one of the worst ideas I've ever heard. It would totally rob this movie of all the power and poignancy of his death.

Besides, with all the male leads and knowing how Whedon loves to both kill people and write female characters, I was already half expecting him to kill off somebody and give that screen time to a woman in future movies--so here comes Maria Hill taking the place of Coulson. He was the only male character Whedon could get away with sacrificing.

I'll be curious to see how they use Hill. She's a total _____ in the comics and honestly I can't stand her at all. She was likeable enough in The Avengers but only because she had like 3 mins of screen time. :lol

I think Thor 2 is going to be very interesting. How will they handle Loki and his dealings with you know who. Will you know who play a significant part in Thor 2 leading to the main event of Avengers 2 or will that be left for Avengers 3.

Will Antman get off the ground and introduce the character of Ultron to the Avengers for part 2.

Again, I am curious to see how much Thanos we get in Thor 2 and any of the other two movies to lead into the sequel. Thanos is gonna be so much fun to see them battle.
 
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