The Avengers VS The Dark Knight
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RagingBull
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I find it hard to compare to be honest but I went TDK because it's been around for a few years now & I haven't tired of it. The Avengers was awesome though, I cant wait to buy it and watch it again. If there was an equal option I'd chosen that
One thing that Avengers really captured was the spirit of the comic company from which it borrowed the characters. The banter, the characters battling each other in little "versus" matches before sorting out their differences, the look and tone throughout.
Did The Dark Knight achieve that for you DC fans?
Did The Dark Knight achieve that for you DC fans?
turtlepower73
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Does it really matter.the Avengers is showing at the box office which one is better..there 2 seperate movies. like comparing apples and oranges..this is the first in the avengers and hopefully the end of batman for a while until the reboot..
intothevoid
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Captured the essence of each of the characters for me, but it does have its own interpretations of certain things - which is not unlike the comics where different writers take different approaches to the material.
turtlepower73
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i agree with the last post..
when i saw the avengers i was so geeked up and not sure what to expect of this movie..
so when they all were fighting it was everything that i had imagined from reading the comics from when i was little to now.
to imagining what they would all do if they met and joined forces.
oh and the Hulk well whedon accomplished this character to a tee.
It was just plain alsome..i have always been a marvel fan over d.c.
when i saw the avengers i was so geeked up and not sure what to expect of this movie..
so when they all were fighting it was everything that i had imagined from reading the comics from when i was little to now.
to imagining what they would all do if they met and joined forces.
oh and the Hulk well whedon accomplished this character to a tee.
It was just plain alsome..i have always been a marvel fan over d.c.
intothevoid
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I guess Avatar is the best movie of all time then.
Well I'm a former Marvel and DC fan (I stopped reading current stuff a few years ago), and based on that, I think that the Avengers is more similar to the conventional 616 Marvel U, while the Dark Knight is like a Vertigo/Elseworlds type DC story. So I agree with Void that there are some writers in DC that might have tackled Batman this way, but it seems a fair amount darker than the conventional, ongoing Batman comics. There were some dark Batman stories over the years of course (Death in the Family, Knightfall, etc.) but they didn't have that really dark tone that the Nolan movies have IMO. I'm thinking more Dark Knight than Begins, though. Killing Joke (written by a guy whose work on Swamp Thing was retroactively turned into a Vertigo title) was really dark, but it was really something apart from the typical ongoing Batman series, even if the consequences of Barbara's paralysis were felt there.
I think the characters in the Nolan-verse are quite different than they are generally portrayed in the comics. Scarecrow, Joker, and Two Face weren't as similar as the Avengers were to their counterparts (barring 616 Hawkeye) in my opinion. Batman was pretty close though. Two Face in particular didn't get much screen time, but his behavior seemed to be completely a Nolan creation to me. And Joker was never this philosophizing anarchist. He's just a psychopathic mass murderer in the comics with a sick sense of humor.
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No, not really.
And rising ticket prices combined with 3D sales has nothing to do with that? A contradiction from your last sentence?
Another contradiction?
True, but another contradiction?
Another contradiction? I'm not sure where one point ends and the next begins.
Now there's a big surprize.
thenammagazine
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Irrelevant. Nolan's had the same technology at his disposal and despite studio suggestion has intentionally refused it.
intothevoid
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That doesn't make the argument irrelevant
Facts are facts.
100 TDK tickets sold will be less cash than 100 Avengers tickets sold
intothevoid
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I could care less about box office as long as the batfilms are profitable so we can keep getting more, but if they are to be compared, the comparison needs to be apples to apples
thenammagazine
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That doesn't make the argument irrelevant
Facts are facts.
100 TDK tickets sold will be less cash than 100 Avengers tickets sold
The hurdle was set out on the track by the director, himself. Besides, I can easily argue that you guys ignored the IMAX mark-up when comparing TDK's box office to Spider-Man. Just like you guys used to say TDK was the best comic book movie ever and now that Avengers has stolen the crown are whining about that comparison. We both know WB has repeatedly encouraged Nolan to embrace the technology and he's refused. That's on him. So if you want your cake and want to eat it too, go sit in the corner and cry while stuffing your little face.
DarkMagic
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Well it is relevant when you consider why he refused it. If his #1 priority was box office gross above all else, he would use any gimmick at his disposal, including 3D, to maximize the film's profit artistic vision be damned.
Now, we can debate all day whether or not his artistic vision is "self-important" or not or whether the story would have been just as effectively told in 3D, but the fact remains he refused it purposely in the service of that vision.
Sticking to your guns despite studio pressure, and even knowing that it may cost the film some lost revenue says something about Nolan's character as a director and a storyteller, whether or not the decision makes sense from a strictly financial point of view.
That's another argument for using number of tickets sold as an indicator of movie success rather than sales. That $1 billion number is just misleading in a historical context. And if the tickets for 3-D are 1/3rd more than regular tickets, then that's misleading in relation to a movie without 3-D, irrespective of whether or not other directors/companies choose to do 3-D screenings or not.
intothevoid
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The hurdle was set out on the track by the director, himself. Besides, I can easily argue that you guys ignored the IMAX mark-up when comparing TDK's box office to Spider-Man. Just like you guys used to say TDK was the best comic book movie ever and now that Avengers has stolen the crown are whining about that comparison. We both know WB has repeatedly encouraged Nolan to embrace the technology and he's refused. That's on him. So if you want your cake and want to eat it too, go sit in the corner and cry while stuffing your little face.
Thank heavens he refused.
3D adds nothing.
And TDK was never the best comic movie ever, Begins was and is
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