The Avengers VS The Dark Knight

[karamazov80]

Void, you accidentally typed "Begins" instead of "X2." Go ahead and change it before someone else notices your mistake!

 

[thenammagazine]

Well it is relevant when you consider why he refused it. If his #1 priority was box office gross above all else, he would use any gimmick at his disposal, including 3D, to maximize the film's profit artistic vision be damned.

This also might be relevant if Avengers was a 3D gimmick movie. It's not.

 

[Niltusk]

This thing has become the never ending debate.

The bottom line is this, I'd like to see Superman reboot to become a box office Juggernaut and when Batman reboots I hope they find a tie in together, I would really like to see DC find its niche with something besides Batman. Unless they get some confidence that they can throw something besides Batman movies out there and make some serious cash, we'll never see things like a Wonder Woman movie, we'll probably never see Jon Jonzz in any form on the big screen, there will be alot of things missed. I would love the scope of nerd discussions to eventually be, whos better between a plethora of characters, rather than Batman being the sole character that DC rests upon. That being said would it just wreck peoples version of nolan Batman if Nolan decided to stay at the helm and integrate other characters into Batmans (Semi) "normal" world?

 

[intothevoid]

This thing has become the never ending debate.

The bottom line is this, I'd like to see Superman reboot to become a box office Juggernaut and when Batman reboots I hope they find a tie in together, I would really like to see DC find its niche with something besides Batman. Unless they get some confidence that they can throw something besides Batman movies out there and make some serious cash, we'll never see things like a Wonder Woman movie, we'll probably never see Jon Jonzz in any form on the big screen, there will be alot of things missed. I would love the scope of nerd discussions to eventually be, whos better between a plethora of characters, rather than Batman being the sole character that DC rests upon. That being said would it just wreck peoples version of nolan Batman if Nolan decided to stay at the helm and integrate other characters into Batmans (Semi) "normal" world?

I don't want to see that.

There's this noir quality to Batman that suits what Nolan's done with his films, but it won't suit the rest of the JLA.

MoS and Batman Reboot need to have a very different tone that the Nolan Batman series for them to be integrated together and eventually tie into a JLA film.

 

[karamazov80]

It depends on which JLA you mean. I think Justice League Detroit could work in the Nolan-verse. But of course. . .who would want to see that in live action?

 

[Alex Logan]

Irrelevant. Nolan's had the same technology at his disposal and despite studio suggestion has intentionally refused it.

Nolan had the same technology while shooting TDK in 2006-2007 as we do now? I don't think so.

You also missed the ticket price increase.

That doesn't make the argument irrelevant

Facts are facts.

100 TDK tickets sold will be less cash than 100 Avengers tickets sold

This also might be relevant if Avengers was a 3D gimmick movie. It's not.

It may not be a 3D gimmick movie, but they used 3D as gimmick to make more money. The 3D in Avenvers was post converted. Avengers having a better opening and climbing the box office chart faster doesn't make it a better movie.

 

[DarkMagic]

The hurdle was set out on the track by the director, himself. Besides, I can easily argue that you guys ignored the IMAX mark-up when comparing TDK's box office to Spider-Man.

Oh and total box office ticket gross has nothing to do with "better-ness" of a comic book movie. In terms of total revenue, despite what gimmick is added, Avengers (3D and Imax), TDK (Imax), Spider-man (regular release), there is no dispute that Avengers has raked in the most dough.

That is an objective measurement...."better-ness" /"best-ness" or whatever you want to call it is based on personal preference...what YOU consider to be the best elements in a superhero film.

For me, TDK wins that. For the current majority of movie-goers, and voters on this board, Avengers wins that.

Just like you guys used to say TDK was the best comic book movie ever and now that Avengers has stolen the crown are whining about that comparison.

I don't know who "you guys" are,(probably those polesquatters you're always yapping about? ) and I can't speak for all TDK fans, but when it was released, I felt it was the best comic book movie I ever saw, long before it's final box office numbers were in...and I still feel that way. The fact that TDK was the king of the superhero-film box office by the end of that summer had no relevance on my opinion of it, that was just gravy. Irrelevant gravy.

 

[DarkMagic]

This also might be relevant if Avengers was a 3D gimmick movie. It's not.

To be clear I don't mean gimmick in a derogatory manner, I mean it as an extra feature of the movie that is different from the standard, basic theater release. In this way, both Avengers' 3D and TDK's Imax can be classified as "gimmicks".

 

[intothevoid]

It depends on which JLA you mean. I think Justice League Detroit could work in the Nolan-verse. But of course. . .who would want to see that in live action?

Precisely my point

Fact is thought that Marvel has the jump on DC bigtime as far as teamup films go. A JLA film with Darkseid/Alien invasion is going to come of as a ripoff unless done very differently.

I'd rather if the antagonist was something 'home grown', or as Nam and I have mentioned elsewhere, Batman himself. The one within the team who is keeping secret files on each due to his obsessive paranoia (like the OMAC Project storyline) - would make a helluva twist

 

[DiFabio]

I'd rather if the antagonist was Batman himself. The one within the team who is keeping secret files on each due to his obsessive paranoia - would make a helluva twist

Do want . . .

 

[thenammagazine]

I don't want to see that.

There's this noir quality to Batman that suits what Nolan's done with his films, but it won't suit the rest of the JLA.

MoS and Batman Reboot need to have a very different tone that the Nolan Batman series for them to be integrated together and eventually tie into a JLA film.

See, I dunno. As we've already discussed (and both agreed), if the new superheroes emerge post TDKR, there's room to make it work. And a JLA movie with Bale's Batman as the antagonist trying to discover the weaknesses of these new heroes would not only easily work, but fit neatly into Nolan's brooding Batverse.

 

[Alex Logan]

See, I dunno. As we've already discussed (and both agreed), if the new superheroes emerge post TDKR, there's room to make it work. And a JLA movie with Bale's Batman as the antagonist trying to discover the weaknesses of these new heroes would not only easily work, but fit neatly into Nolan's brooding Batverse.

It's a good idea... too bad it won't happen.

 

[intothevoid]

See, I dunno. As we've already discussed (and both agreed), if the new superheroes emerge post TDKR, there's room to make it work. And a JLA movie with Bale's Batman as the antagonist trying to discover the weaknesses of these new heroes would not only easily work, but fit neatly into Nolan's brooding Batverse.

Agreed but now i'm hypothesizing given that Bale's Batman will NOT be a part of any JLA flick

 

[karamazov80]

Agreed but now i'm hypothesizing given that Bale's Batman will NOT be a part of any JLA flick

Is that definitely going to be the case, or is it that Nolan's Bale Batman won't be a part of a JLA movie? If WB waves enough Benjamin's in his face, I'm not sure Bale would be able to resist. He's not averse to making a crappy movie for a big payday (Terminator: Salvation, anyone? )

 

[thenammagazine]

It's a good idea... too bad it won't happen.

Yeah, Void and I've discussed this ad nauseum, about how Bale's Batman could realistically be incorporated into a DCU. That was the only way I saw it working.

Agreed but now i'm hypothesizing given that Bale's Batman will NOT be a part of any JLA flick

Yeah. The worst part is, given only being removed by 2 years, it'll be extremely hard to divorce ourselves from Bale's Batman, too.

 

[DarkMagic]

Precisely my point

Fact is thought that Marvel has the jump on DC bigtime as far as teamup films go. A JLA film with Darkseid/Alien invasion is going to come of as a ripoff unless done very differently.

I'd rather if the antagonist was something 'home grown', or as Nam and I have mentioned elsewhere, Batman himself. The one within the team who is keeping secret files on each due to his obsessive paranoia (like the OMAC Project storyline) - would make a helluva twist

It sounds interesting, but kind of similar to a movie we have already:

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0MSuTJNDdc[/ame]

Unless they want to adapt and tweak this story again, which itself is an adaptation of the Tower of Babel comic storyline, I don't see what else they can do with it.

Do you guys mean a universe in which Batman--operating independently from the start, investigates all of the metahumans operating around the world and devises ways to take them down throughout the movie, eventually ending up becoming allies with them as the Justice League....

...or...

Is he already part of the League (established from the start of the film, or in lead-up individual superhero films), and the Justice League film is about his betrayal of the them?

 

[intothevoid]

Is that definitely going to be the case, or is it that Nolan's Bale Batman won't be a part of a JLA movie? If WB waves enough Benjamin's in his face, I'm not sure Bale would be able to resist. He's not averse to making a crappy movie for a big payday (Terminator: Salvation, anyone? )

It's that Nolan's Bale Batman won't be part of a JLA movie. Nolan's Bale Batman ends with TDKR.

What COULD happen is they cast Bale as Batman in a JLA film, where the Nolan Batman films are completely ignored yet we see Bale in the role, set in a different 'universe'.

But that would be the biggest mind____ of all time and i'd rather they just recast the role. But just not Armie Hammer please.

 

[Alex Logan]

Yeah, Void and I've discussed this ad nauseum, about how Bale's Batman could realistically be incorporated into a DCU. That was the only way I saw it working.

Holly ____... are we agreeing?

 

[karamazov80]

Well Bale could bring in the style and mannerisms of his Batman from the Nolan films, right? I think they should do it! Do it, WB!

 

[thenammagazine]

Do you guys mean a universe in which Batman--operating independently from the start, investigates all of the metahumans operating around the world and devises ways to take them down throughout the movie, eventually ending up becoming allies with them as the Justice League....

This.