The Batman (June 25, 2021)

[Victοr]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

>Be me
>Be the guy who took B/C-List heroes and made successful movies out of them
>Critics and Audiences alike love them
>Translate the good ol' stories of people's childhoods in the big screen
>Create the Shared Universe Trend
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>Howard gives me free Hot Toys
>Go to a toy forum to discuss my new dollies and movies
>A guy hates me
>feelsbadman.jpg
>He continues hating
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>The hate continues
>I feel unloved
>I turn to booze to cope
>I become an emotional wreck
>I stumble drunk into the FOX offices
>Mess up the F4 deal
>I go to my friend, Michael Bay
>We marathon the Transformers movies
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>Come here, see hate again
>****mylife.jpg
>I'm preparing the noose

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

RDJ has to love stark since they are the same character.

He's another one, I'm sure. But I wanted examples outside of comic books.

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

I also demanded more after the elite auteur intellect Nolan with all of his cinematic super sophistication delivered the horrendous TDKR with its 3rd grade action scenes.

The MCU answered my prayers.

TDKR's cinematography alone eclipses ALL of the MCU.

The overuse of sound stages and green screen is vomit-inducing with most of those films, not to mention the franchise's outrageously poor use of CGI.

I get why you disliked TDKR though. Not enough jokes and safe action.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

TDKR's cinematography alone eclipses ALL of the MCU.

The overuse of sound stages and green screen is vomit-inducing with most of those films, not to mention the franchise's outrageously poor use of CGI.

I get why you disliked TDKR though. Not enough jokes and safe action.

That's very true.

But MCU still changed the industry and as a franchise/brand, it has the best 9 year run ever.

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

That's because he never owned a Hot Toys doll.

I wonder what Wertham and even Frued would have to say about adult man children collecting dolls trying to fill that deep dark hole in their life. Especially the dudes on here that are starting to buy anatomically correct base bodies.


"DiFabio, tell me about your mother."

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

CBM discussions are pretty much the same as political discussions at this point. The same people level the same criticisms at every movie released by ["rival studio x"] regardless of whether its warranted or not. I don't ever see a cbm and then come back here and think "I wonder what so and so thought of that" because I know the answer before the films are even released (save for a small handful of non-partisan folks.)

I know exactly who's going to scoff at anything good done by the MCU, I know who'll instantly dismiss the DCEU, who will never give a new SW film props, and so on. So predictable, repetitive and boring.

Which is why me ripping on the PT and Cap's Avengers uniform is so legit.

I loved Iron Man (2008). I loved The Avengers. I loved The Winter Soldier and GOTG. Loved them.

If the MCU were to again deliver a quality film it'd be a pleasant surprise I'd happily write about.

*And yeah, Cap's suit in The Avengers was terrible.

 

[RIDDICK]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

TDKR's cinematography alone eclipses ALL of the MCU.

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

How come you and Mike86 bold and italicize the movies you list in your posts? Seems a little too proper and pretentious for my tastes. This isn't some prestigious critic site, it's a dollie and effigy complaint forum. We know what you mean when you say The Avengers. You don't gotta go all Marvel's The Avengers (2012) on us. We know what you two are talking about.

You guys are peculiar fellows. Did your professors scrutinize your papers in college or sumthin'?

Just kidding, everyone on here is a weirdo. Except me of course.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

Which is why me ripping on the PT ...is so legit.

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

Did your professors scrutinize your papers in college or sumthin'?

College? That's presumptuous, isn't it?

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

I wonder what Wertham and even Frued would have to say about adult man children collecting dolls trying to fill that deep dark hole in their life. Especially the dudes on here that are starting to buy anatomically correct base bodies.


"DiFabio, tell me about your mother."

It is worth exploring. Adult males didn't collect dolls or action figures and didn't play video games in previous decades, and I'm not sure when or how it started. Which was the first generation to "not grow up"? The Millennials are called the Peter Pan generation, but Generation X grew up with Star Wars and some bought merchandise as adults in the 90's and early 2000's. Then again, my interest in SW has nothing to do with collecting, but action figures and merchandising were a big part of my childhood in the 80's and 90's , so perhaps that's where it all went "wrong."

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

College? That's presumptuous, isn't it?

Fine, kindergarten handlers. Is that better?

 

[Wor-Gar]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

Collecting is a "control issue".

 

[SNIKT1950]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

Collecting is a "control issue".

Absolutely.

 

[DiFabio]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

That explains it. I was 4 years old when I finally used the potty (I lied to them, I really **** in my diapers and threw them away) and I was rewarded with a Super Powers Batman.

 

[The Clown Prince of Crime]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

Collecting is a "control issue".

Absolutely.

So when I see a cool looking Japanese import Spidey figure with awesome articulation, the reason for me wanting it is as a way to have some kind of control? Don't buy it. Maybe for some people.

That explains it. I was 4 years old when I finally used the potty (I lied to them, I really **** in my diapers and threw them away) and I was rewarded with a Super Powers Batman.

I had trouble adapting to school, and during my first week of Kindergarten, my parent rewarded me with several "The Real Ghostbuster" figures. Four straight days of a figure waiting for me at home.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

TDKR's cinematography alone eclipses ALL of the MCU.

The overuse of sound stages and green screen is vomit-inducing with most of those films, not to mention the franchise's outrageously poor use of CGI.

I get why you disliked TDKR though. Not enough jokes and safe action.

So great cinematography alone makes a movie?

I would rather have the superhero movie with crap cinematography but where the characters are actually super and the movie is thrilling vs a perfectly lit and filmed movie where the stunt men miss with their punches and kicks like in TDKR.

The best action movies ever made have "safe" action.

Did Indy die at the end of Raiders?

Did Brody and his kid die at the end of JAWS?

Did Ripley die at the end of Aliens?

Did Dutch die at the end of Predator?

Did Sarah and John die at the end of T1/T2?

Did Mclane die at the end of Die Hard?

Did Kirk die at the end of Wrath of Khan?

Did Rambo die in First Blood?

Did Frodo and Sam die at the end of ROTK?

Did Murphy die at the end of Robocop?

Hell Rocky even beat cancer!

So I guess all these movies must suck because they had "safe" action!

God am I happy that I can actually enjoy an exciting superhero movie even when it isn't worthy of winning an Oscar.

 

[Khev]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

Do you really think the actors in the Nolan films or the DCEU feel differently? Nah...to them it's just silly rubber costumes. Even Bale is already trashing his Batman character from the Nolan films.

Vigo Mortensen did the same with the LOTR...

I actually think it's healthy for actors and directors to realize that the "importance" of fantasy and superhero films extends no further than their ability to act as satisfyingly escapist entertainment. Raiders, JAWS, Star Wars, ALIEN, etc.,* are great reminders that genre films can be "masterpieces" without breaking the mold in every conceivable way, curing cancer, challenging nuclear physicists to rethink their educations, etc. Some of the criticisms leveled at profoundly entertaining films make me wonder if those people think that every popcorn movie should result in a sacred blu-ray that you stroke on your forearm while puffing a pipe and sporting a monocle.

I do think it's cool that The Dark Knight emulates the filmmaking techniques of more "serious" films from other genres but still, at the end of the day it's just another excuse to watch Batman drive around in cool vehicles as the Joker chews up every scene he's in. It was a great approach that worked for the particular trilogy but is inherently no better or worse an artistic choice than any other style of film. It all comes down to individual preference and how well each artistic choice was executed.

* EDIT: Dammit jye you referenced all the same movies I did.

 

[jye4ever]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

I actually think it's healthy for actors and directors to realize that the "importance" of fantasy and superhero films extends no further than their ability to act as satisfyingly escapist entertainment. Raiders, JAWS, Star Wars, ALIEN, etc., are great reminders that genre films can be "masterpieces" without breaking the mold in every conceivable way, curing cancer, challenging nuclear physicists to rethink their educations, etc. Some of the criticisms leveled at profoundly entertaining films make me wonder if those people think that every popcorn movie should result in a sacred blu-ray that you stroke on your forearm while puffing a pipe and sporting a monocle.

I do think it's cool that The Dark Knight emulates the filmmaking techniques of more "serious" films from other genres but still, at the end of the day it's just another excuse to watch Batman drive around in cool vehicles as the Joker chews up every scene he's in. It was a great approach that worked for the particular trilogy but is inherently no better or worse an artistic choice than any other style of film. It all comes down to individual preference.

TDK fools you into thinking you're an intellect for liking it.

Then you walk around all snobby thinking fans who like the MCU are cavemen.

For me as a fan who loves the superhero elements of the MCU I can also still appreciate the grounded qualities from BB/TDK.

 

[Khev]

Re: Ben Affleck Batman film

TDK fools you into thinking you're an intellect for liking it.

Yeah even Nolan and Bale are all "what you thought TDK was highbrow? We just made that movie because we thought Heat was kewl."