The best summer movie season ever is now over.

[Adolfo]

no Star Trek...87 had Best Seller(one of James Woods best), Lost Boys too

 

[IrishJedi]

no Star Trek...87 had Best Seller(one of James Woods best), Lost Boys too

Not a Trek fan, though I dig Wrath of Khan and the reboot. Forgot about The Lost Boys. I like it, but not enough to make this list.

 

[Adolfo]

Not a Trek fan, though I dig Wrath of Khan and the reboot. Forgot about The Lost Boys. I like it, but not enough to make this list.

82 had Mad Max 2 Road Warrior, ST 2, Firefox,Dark Crystal, Conan, ,Officer and Gentleman, 48hrs,

 

[ProgMatinee]

None of the Potter films make your list? I would think Prisoner of Azkaban needs to be in 04.

 

[Adolfo]

None of the Potter films make your list? I would think Prisoner of Azkaban needs to be in 04.

Most Potter films were not summer...I think

 

[ProgMatinee]

Neither were the LOTR films.

 

[DiFabio]

You really should let this notion go as I've seen you post it more than once.

There *are* timeless classics and Batman isn't one of them. Star Wars is. The Wizard of Oz is. Beauty and the Beast, released two short years after Batman and one year prior to BR was just re-released last year and made an *additional* 47 million at the box office! Titanic made another 50 million this year, and The Lion King hauled in a whopping 94 MILLION dollars on its re-release. More than the majority of movies that are *brand new.*

Uh, I thought we were listing summer movie blockbusters as classics.

We've listed the likes of Blade Runner and hell, you listed TOP GUN. Batman '89 shouldn't be considered a classic either, but Top Gun?

With the Wizard of Oz or even Gone with the Wind you're getting into a WHOLE other area.

You think if Batman was released again it would make another 50 or 100 million? No way.

Silliest notion I've ever seen. We've been through this before.

Films are of their time. There are no "whats", "ifs" and "buts". The film that came out in 1978 came out in 1978. The film that came out in 1989 came out in 1989.

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Of course Batman and Superman would fail miserably if they were released this year.

Tell me one thing aside from its marketing that had a lasting impact? Yes the batsuits set a trend that all further Batman films followed. Did it give us the ultimate Bruce Wayne? No. Action scenes like those from Terminator 2 that still stand up today? No. Iconic dialogue? I'll give you "I'm Batman" and "Where does he get those wonderful toys." But really a couple lines and some cool designs? Seriously that's pretty much it. I remember thinking that both The Crow and Dark City seemed kind of "Batman-ish" but those were lesser movies and both by the same director.

Just one?

- Elfman music

- The Batmobile

- Anton Furst design work for the film, most notably Gotham and the Batmobile (often listed with the worlds found in Blade Runner and Metropolis)

- Academy Award winning Art Direction (TDK wasn't the first Batman film at the oscars)

- Jack Nicholson's iconic performance and all that jazz about him being a Hollywood monger with his royalty deals that he made (people still going on and on about it in the Hot Toys threads)

- New casting opportunities for non-traditional or stereotypical actors (Michael Keaton as Batman sure did piss Sylvester Stallone off, he's gone on saying that Batman was the reason traditional action flicks and stars died off)

- Emphasis on week end box office numbers

And there's more I'm probably missing. That's just on film too. Think of the Animated Series or all those things that I posted in that great blog link that the movie paved the way for. It may not have impacted film in a huge way but comic book superhero movies, Batman in general? It was huge.


You mentioned the marketing aspect? That was huge. It dwarfed even the best online viral campaigns of today's films. Batman essentially created blockbuster hype. That feeling we all get with Comic-Cons, trailers and the like for upcoming films.


Yeah, I'd say you're downplaying it QUITE a bit just because you don't like it.


Sounds to me like the film didn't meet expectations you had back in 1989. That sounds familiar to me. TDKR?

I love how rottentomatoes was the greatest thing ever to Batman fans in the glory days of TDK until Marvel movies started to get the upper hand. Now it's just something to be utterly dismissed.

I mentioned this in The Dark Knight Rises thread. Almost the exact same thing you did. I hate when people use internet rating statistics to prove their points.

Then I tried to be a devil's advocate and do the same thing about some score and Wofford or Void (sorry if it wasn't you two, I can't remember who it was right now) through it back in my face with a different rating system and site.


Then I guess according to rottentomatoes, Avengers and Paranorman are better films than TDKR? Okay.

 

[CelticPredator]

Batman is a classic.

 

[IrishJedi]

None of the Potter films make your list? I would think Prisoner of Azkaban needs to be in 04.

Not a Potter fan.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

Not a Potter fan.

Me neither. I'm torn because I don't dislike the movies, but they aren't something I look forward to watching on a regular basis.

 

[IrishJedi]

I don't dislike them, really. I just literally have no interest. I'm not a big fan of the Fantasy/Scorcery genre in general. Just never really appealed to me.

 

[Khev]

Uh, I thought we were listing summer movie blockbusters as classics.

We've listed the likes of Blade Runner and hell, you listed TOP GUN. Batman '89 shouldn't be considered a classic either, but Top Gun?

I already stated that Aliens was my "real" vote for 1986 but that I listed Top Gun as a rudimentary tribute to Tony Scott. For the record it does hold up better than Batman nevertheless.

Silliest notion I've ever seen. We've been through this before.

Films are of their time. There are no "whats", "ifs" and "buts". The film that came out in 1978 came out in 1978. The film that came out in 1989 came out in 1989.

Who is arguing against films having their own specific release dates? Of course movies come out when they come out. But some movies resonate only for a brief hype-filled summer and others stand the test of time and can still win over viewers years, possibly decades later.

Just one?

- Elfman music

- The Batmobile

- Anton Furst design work for the film, most notably Gotham and the Batmobile (often listed with the worlds found in Blade Runner and Metropolis)

- Academy Award winning Art Direction (TDK wasn't the first Batman film at the oscars)

- Jack Nicholson's iconic performance and all that jazz about him being a Hollywood monger with his royalty deals that he made (people still going on and on about it in the Hot Toys threads)

- New casting opportunities for non-traditional or stereotypical actors (Michael Keaton as Batman sure did piss Sylvester Stallone off, he's gone on saying that Batman was the reason traditional action flicks and stars died off)

- Emphasis on week end box office numbers

Looks like a pretty superficial (designs of the city and car) and business oriented (box office numbers, Nicholson's earnings, etc.) list. When I think of what makes a movie an enduring classic the story and overall film needs to actually deliver on an emotional level. Jaws is still scary, Rocky is still inspiring, The Blues Brothers is still funny, Aliens is still exciting as hell. What's Batman? A cool *looking* movie with some cool music and an iconic villain. Congratulations, you just described The Phantom Menace.

 

[karamazov80]

You see what Nolan has done to us, people? He tears us apart!!!

Damn you to hell, Nolan.

 

[karamazov80]

And Khev, THOR was marginally better than GREEN LANTERN. I actually dig both of them, but neither is all that great.

Insanity.

Beyond that, a pretty good list you compiled there Irish.

 

[Khev]

I'm starting with '75... Because I'm old.

75: Jaws*

76: Rocky*

77: Star Wars*, Close Encounters of the Third Kind*

78: Superman: The Movie*, Grease

79: Alien*, Rocky II

80: The Empire Strikes Back*

81: Raiders of The Lost Ark*, Superman II

82: E.T., Blade Runner, The Thing, Poltergeist, First Blood, Rocky III

83: Return of The Jedi, National Lampoon's Vacatiom

84: Terminator*, Indiana Jones and The Temple of Doom, Gremlins, Romancing The Stone, Beverly Hills Cop, Ghostbusters

85: Back To The Future*, Rambo II, Fletch*, Goonies

86: Aliens*, Top Gun, Platoon

87: Lethal Weapon*, Predator*, Robocop*, The Untouchables*, Full Metal Jacket*

88: Die Hard*, Rain Man, Beetlejuice, Who Framed Roger Rabbit

89: The Abyss*, Batman, Born on the 4th of July, Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade

90: Goodfellas*, Total Recall, **** Tracy

91: Terminator 2*

92: Unforgiven*, Batman Returns

93: Jurassic Park, The Fugitive, Cliffhanger

94: The Shawshank Redemption*, Forrest Gump, Pulp Fiction, True Lies

95: Braveheart, Heat, 12 Monkeys, Apollo 13

96: Mission: Impossible

97: L.A. Confidential*, Good Will Hunting

98: Saving Private Ryan*

99: The Sixth Sense, The Matrix

00: Gladiator, Cast Away, X-Men

01: A.I.*, Fellowship of The Ring

02: Minority Report, Signs, Spider-Man

03: Pirates of the Caribbean: Curse of The Black Pearl, X2: X-Men United

04: The Passion of The Christ*, The Incredibles*, Spider-Man 2

05: War of The Worlds, Batman Begins, Revenge of The Sith

06: The Departed, V For Vendetta

07: Zodiac, 300

08: The Dark Knight, Iron Man, Wall-E, Tropic Thunder

09: Up*, District 9, Inglorious Basterds, Watchmen, The Hangover

10: Inception, Toy Story 3, The Town

11: Rise of The Planet of The Apes, Captain America: The First Avenger, Super 8, X-Men: First Class

12: The Avengers, The Dark Knight Rises, The Campaign

Boy did 2007 suck.

 

[karamazov80]

Irish gives the Beatty picture from 1990 4 stars!!! 4 times greater than all the other great classics?

 

[IrishJedi]

Looks like a pretty superficial (designs of the city and car) and business oriented (box office numbers, Nicholson's earnings, etc.) list. When I think of what makes a movie an enduring classic the story and overall film needs to actually deliver on an emotional level. Jaws is still scary, Rocky is still inspiring, The Blues Brothers is still funny, Aliens is still exciting as hell. What's Batman? A cool *looking* movie with some cool music and an iconic villain. Congratulations, you just described The Phantom Menace.

Congratulations, you've just made your daily unrelated Star Wars analogy.

Actually, Batman '89 did have a lasting impact. As DiFabio stated, it showed that you don't need one of the muscle-heads to star in a major action film, and it absolutely informed the production design pallets of most superhero films after it. That's not superficial, it's tangible.

And the Anton Furst Batmobile is hardly superficial either.

 

[IrishJedi]

Insanity.

Only if you over-value THOR, which I don't.

Beyond that, a pretty good list you compiled there Irish.

Thanks.

Boy did 2007 suck.

Yeah, '96 wasn't too great, either.

 

[Adolfo]

Boy did 2007 suck.

He did forget to include Chronicle, John Carter, Snow white and the Huntsman, Prometheus and Amazing Spiderman,

 

[karamazov80]

Only if you over-value THOR, which I don't.

Thor wasn't mind blowing or anything, but damn. Green Lantern was putrid.