The closing of the political threads is really becoming annoying

[Shatterer of Dreams]

If our plane crashed off a tropical island and we somehow managed to survive-- after getting to shore and huddling with the survivors we'd decide on our plan for survival. Thankfully we find fresh water--- Should we take a dump in the water that we're going to drink from?

Too many people are defecating in our only pool of drinking water and I somewhat like the tropical oasis that this web isle provides.

Then we should ban the entire board with that logic. I see more fighting in the toy threads or even RIP threads than in the political ones.

 

[DarthNeil]

Then we should ban the entire board with that logic. I see more fighting in the toy threads or even RIP threads than in the political ones.

I'm sorry if you can't see the difference with fighting over the length of Jedi Luke's arms and bringing up that 9/11 was caused by the US government---

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

I'm sorry if you can't see the difference with fighting over the length of Jedi Luke's arms and bringing up that 9/11 was caused by the US government---

Come on now you know as well as i do that some of these fights start off innocent enough but devolve very quickly in bashing each other. Again what about that stupid fight just recently that was in the RIP thread and the not getting married thread. That had nothing to do with toys or politics or did i missunderstand that too?

 

[occulum]

I like a debate that argues the pluses and minuses about this debate which debates political debating on the board .....

 

[Adoptedscot]

Believe me i've read all the locked threads, if they want to hate on each other then let them, they start crap somewhere else they suffer the consequences.

We are not here to promote hate which is why ultimately the threads are locked and/or deleted, so we would certainly not 'let them hate on each other' in any part of the forum.
We would like to encourage participation in discussion, debates even relating to collectables if in that forum or customs if in there and so on. If a thread is started in OT its still expected that the contributors act in a respectful civil manner, as it would be expected anywhere on the forum, and this is not happenning

Theres allsorts involved as to why these threads are locked, as ive mentioned this is a family forum and there is no need for many of the comments that ultimately end up being placed in these threads.
A lot of the time it just ends up being personal attacks and a war of words between people which is so negative,hurtfulful and downright frustrating to watch.

In the end these threads after a while are not productive or even pleasant, therefore not contributing to the overall well-being and community spirit of this forum.
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[Shatterer of Dreams]

I like a debate that argues the pluses and minuses about this debate which debates political debating on the board .....

See nothing wrong with debating. No name calling.....so far.

 

[pixletwin]

I have submitted my suggestion to Dave. We'll see if its possible.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

We are not here to promote hate which is why ultimately the threads are locked and/or deleted, so we would certainly not 'let them hate on each other' in any part of the forum.
We would like to encourage participation in discussion, debates even relating to collectables if in that forum or customs if in there and so on. If a thread is started in OT its still expected that the contributors act in a respectful civil manner, as it would be expected anywhere on the forum, and this is not happenning

Theres allsorts involved as to why these threads are locked, as ive mentioned this is a family forum and there is no need for many of the comments that ultimately end up being placed in these threads.
A lot of the time it just ends up being personal attacks and a war of words between people which is so negative,hurtfulful and downright frustrating to watch.

In the end these threads after a while are not productive or even pleasant, therefore not contributing to the overall well-being and community spirit of this forum.
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I'm all for everyone loving each other but ignoring things or saying people are not allowed to talk about certain subjects just smacks of censorship to me.

I'm really not here to argue i just think that people should be allowed to talk about things that aren't collectible related in the "other Topics" section. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T READ IT!

 

[Adoptedscot]

I'm all for everyone loving each other but ignoring things or saying people are not allowed to talk about certain subjects just smacks of censorship to me.

I'm really not here to argue i just think that people should be allowed to talk about things that aren't collectible related in the "other Topics" section. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT DON'T READ IT!

...but how you gonna know you don't like it if you don't read it?

Some people start threads so you have to go into them to see what it is.

Or if youre like me and enjoy reading these threads but just see it turn into a hatefest what then?
Yes, people have lives and want to talk about other things rather than just collectables, of course, its just unfortunate that as we've seen, certain subjects cannot be discussed in a reasonable adult manner.

The only time these are closed is when they get out of hand and I say that because they always do,and there is no need for it.
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[Shatterer of Dreams]

...but how you gonna know you don't like it if you don't read it?

Some people start threads so you have to go into them to see what it is.

Or if youre like me and enjoy reading these threads but just see it turn into a hatefest what then?
Yes, people have lives and want to talk about other things rather than just collectables, of course, its just unfortunate that as we've seen, certain subjects cannot be discussed in a reasonable adult manner.

The only time these are closed is when they get out of hand and I say that because they always do,and there is no need for it.
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The don't read it quote is more for those people that have a habit of showing up in every political thread saying how they hate political threads- just stay out then we all know you hate it we've read it over and over.

But yes your right a lot of name calling does go on and it does get ugly but again i point out that this happens in other non political threads so where does it stop? It seems on this board that certain people are going to argue no matter the subject so you start deleting topics then it's just a slippery slope to...... " You can only talk about this toy if you like it"

 

[RoboDad]

I'm all for everyone loving each other but ignoring things or saying people are not allowed to talk about certain subjects just smacks of censorship to me.

Of course it is censorship. But too often people like to toss that word out as if it is a crime. Since this is not a public place, but a privately owned and operated forum, censorship is, and always will be, one of the expected practices. Dave decides what is, or is not, an acceptable or allowable topic for discussion. I figured everyone already knew that.

 

[Wetanut]

If our folks were REALLY adept at actual debate and exchange of ideas and thoughts, by all means nothing should be off-limits. Unfortunately, many on here think a debate means name calling, pushing emotional buttons, and personal attacks. Then there are those who are constitutionally incapable of resisting the lure of posting the cheap "clever" comment just to gain attention or stir the pot. And unfortunately, religion and politics are the most volatile subjects ANYWHERE, and the threads started (no matter the initial good intensions) deteriorate quickly and become tiresome with the same-o same-o. Until we learn to conduct ourselves like adults and learn how to self-police (and not knee-jerk all the time), Dave and the Mods are to be commended IMO. I say a moratorium on political and religious topics until we prove to them on other threads that we can conduct civilized discourse.

 

[Adoptedscot]

It does happen unfortunately in other threads.
I think the reason the Political threads scenario was mentioned is simply because we get more of them which are started a lot of the time to cause controversy.

Yes its a complex issue and I certainly do not have all the answers, I dont think anyone has with this one, its going to be a matter of finding a happy medium to please the productivity and future of the forum and its members along with the workload of Admin and the mods.
There are always going to be problematic areas, and if censorship or the lack thereof is the way to go then im sure Dave will decide that as ultimately it is his decision.
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[Shatterer of Dreams]

Of course it is censorship. But too often people like to toss that word out as if it is a crime. Since this is not a public place, but a privately owned and operated forum, censorship is, and always will be, one of the expected practices. Dave decides what is, or is not, an acceptable or allowable topic for discussion. I figured everyone already knew that.

The "I figured everyone already knew that" quote is part of the problem when people are talking about having different ideas. This is a backhanded insult that questions someones intelligence and this is how fights are started. If we can stop these kinds of comments then we can have discussions on any topic.

I'm not a stupid man nor am i some young idealist i just like having the freedom to talk about whatver subject i like and i think others should have that right too. For the millionth time i don't have the answers but i just don't think we should just ban topics (unless were talking child porn or beastiality or something.)

 

[Mesa]

I say this thread is closed in under 200 posts.

Ron Paul and Palin in '08!!!!

The "I figured everyone already knew that" quote is part of the problem when people are talking about having different ideas. This is a backhanded insult that questions someones intelligence and this is how fights are started. If we can stop these kinds of comments then we can have discussions on any topic.

I'm not a stupid man nor am i some young idealist i just like having the freedom to talk about whatver subject i like and i think others should have that right too. For the millionth time i don't have the answers but i just don't think we should just ban topics (unless were talking child porn or beastiality or something.)

Yup, under 200.

 

[RoboDad]

Question someone's intelligence? No. Question someone's reason for bringing up the issue of censorship in a forum where the issue has no merit? Yes.

You say that you should be free to discuss "whatever subject i like", yet you, yourself, then proceed to suggest limits on what others should be allowed to discuss. That was my whole point. You may have a different view of what the line of acceptability may be, but Dave is the one who has to make that call for his forum. You consider that censorship. I do not.

 

[drbrad1975]

I think that many of us have our own views on how a society should run. This view is shaped in part how we were raised, personal perceptions from the outside world, and how we view ourselves. I don't think that there is anything wrong with sharing our views and debating their validity. At times I know things get pretty heated and I am a part of that. This is the only forum that I am a member of, and I do like to hear what other people think. I know my views differ greatly from many of you. Sometimes it is good just to let go and blow off some steam. Just about all of my friends are very conservative, and to them I look very liberal. If I ever offended anyone through my postings on any of these threads, then I am sorry. However, if you decided to close the political threads, I think it would be best to lose all of the underlying political jabs in other threads. Too often this happens in my opinion, and all it does is to get people fired up.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

Question someone's intelligence? No. Question someone's reason for bringing up the issue of censorship in a forum where the issue has no merit? Yes.

You say that you should be free to discuss "whatever subject i like", yet you, yourself, then proceed to suggest limits on what others should be allowed to discuss. That was my whole point. You may have a different view of what the line of acceptability may be, but Dave is the one who has to make that call for his forum. You consider that censorship. I do not.

I consider it censorship when it's not a crime - child porn, beastiality is a crime - and i knew that would get used against me. My point of the comment was if it was anyone else who is not level headed gets a comment like that thrown at them then they are going to start making it personal.

 

[RoboDad]

You're right, and I misspoke. What I meant was, I don't consider it unreasonable censorship when Dave sets rules for what is or is not allowed as topics of discussion on his forum. If I am unhappy with his decisions, I am free to go elsewhere to discuss those topics.

Of course, Dave does walk a fine line, since he doesn't want people to leave because they are unhappy here, but it is the sad fact of human nature that some topics lead to more anger than enlightenment, which can also lead to people leaving.

All I can say is that I don't envy Dave or the mods in this.

 

[Shatterer of Dreams]

You're right, and I misspoke. What I meant was, I don't consider it unreasonable censorship when Dave sets rules for what is or is not allowed as topics of discussion on his forum. If I am unhappy with his decisions, I am free to go elsewhere to discuss those topics.

Of course, Dave does walk a fine line, since he doesn't want people to leave because they are unhappy here, but it is the sad fact of human nature that some topics lead to more anger than enlightenment, which can also lead to people leaving.

All I can say is that I don't envy Dave or the mods in this.

Thank you for that, and yes i agree with you that there is a fine line here but i think it needs to be walked. I think if more people got together to discuss differences like we just did and see where things might go wrong before they do then we don't have to have locked threads.

If we see someone getting out of hand then we can stop it, as adults we have that ability.

I think the biggest problem is when we type we hear it in our heads as how we would say it face to face, but this doesn't translate to typed phrases very often. People misunderstand and then the bad blood starts.

Maybe instead of out right locks we can set ground rules....that before we fly off the handle at a precieved insult that we try to figure out the real meaning behind it. I realize that even with ground rules that fights are going to break out that's just the nature of the beast, but we as a "community" can act together to keep things civil.

The thing to take out of all the political threads that have been locked is that no one is happy with the partisan politics and that they all need to figure out a way to work together. We all tend to agree on this. Well lets do it here on this board in this community. Lets give them a working model...

(and now i do an inappropriate scream like Howrd Dean....)