The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[Wor-Gar]

1. Draws Bruce out of retirement - he feels amused and intrigued by her, and he wants to get back out there. Bane being a threat being the other aspect of that.
2. The interplay with her and Bruce and her and Batman is some of the best character work in the entire trilogy. So much goodness there.
3. Provides Bruce someone to be with and move on from Rachel for good.

That's just off the top of my head right now

I think he meant "story" wise, not literally in the plot. Like what she represents; to Batman, to Gotham.

 

[Raymond F.]

Yeah Wor that's more what I was insinuating.

The reasons void provided are the reasons written into the plot to make it work, but as far as an overarching purpose to the films it's clear it was just a way,and decently done, but not amazingly done, way to squeeze in another classic bat character for buzz/merch/ PR purposes probably by WB as you insinuated.

She felt a little forced to me and I could have totally lived without her in this. also I'm a big catwoman fan so I'm not hatin on the character by any means and think she was decently handled but still hate that uniform. Liked rhe flip up goggles that were kinda sorta cat ears, nice and subtle but the hair flowing all over just kills it.

 

[Darkseed]

Thought it was good but not as sharp as TDK.

Hated the 8 year vacation. Something Batman would not do and seems to be there just so Bane could beat down a out of form Batman with ease.

Hathaway as Catwoman wasn't anything special. Thought Hardy as Bane was better.

Not enough Batman.

Loved the trilogy and think Begins is the best Batman movie of the bunch.

Bring on the reboot and JLA.

I agree with almost everything posted, except I liked Catwoman. IMO the film was a disappointing end to a great series. BANE was a b___, the story didn't seem to "fit" the scale of the other two and on and on and on.

1. BB
2. TDK
3. TDKR

 

[Nuka Cola Kidd]

I would have really liked to have seen what Nolan could of did with Riddler. Maybe he will pull a Bay and agree to do more in a few months, after the money hits his bank account.

 

[jye4ever]

Aaaand you haven't seen it yet.

And regardless of what you say, I don't think watching the film is going to have quite the same impact on you now that you know every single plot point

Expecting something to come and seeing it executed to perfection are two very different things


I wasn't surprised by a whole lot except
1. The fact that Bane actually DID break Batman's back, in true comic fashion
2. Alfred leaving Wayne (crying moment #1) - not at all expected, and the dialogue there is sublime.
3. Alfred's speech at Wayne's grave - incredibly moving (crying moment #2). Did not expect it as I didn't expect Bruce to die, which of course, he ended up not dying.
4. Blake being named Robin (I expected him to be Batman 2.0 though)
5. Talia being the child who escaped the pit

I still don't like the silly prison BW was sent to.

Why send him half way across the world when he could've just been locked up in a Gotham prison in solitary confinement with a tv, instead with others that could actually help him, you know, like fixing his freaking back for him!

His back would've never been cured if he was in solitary confinement.

So the imprisonment now becomes silly and makes Bane and Talia seem like idiots.

So now that prison where he was allowed to walk around with other prisoners was just there so that his back had a way to heal so that he could return to save Gotham, lazy story telling, no?

 

[chewblacca]

Just saw this movie. I liked it, flaws and all. Nolan is like a magician. You unravel the trick afterward. Everything came together after the main ending was over. Alfred explaining the restaurant thing set up the ending well. So much so that you knew it was coming. Any batman fan knew what would happen as long as they remember the description given to him from the comic. Batman always has a plan.

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

I still don't like the silly prison BW was sent to.

Why send him half way across the world when he could've just been locked up in a Gotham prison in solitary confinement with a tv, instead with others that could actually help him, you know, like fixing his freaking back for him!

His back would've never been cured if he was in solitary confinement.

So the imprisonment now becomes silly and makes Bane and Talia seem like idiots.

So now that prison where he was allowed to walk around with other prisoners was just there so that his back had a way to heal so that he could return to save Gotham, lazy story telling, no?

I actually gave that to Bane wanting Bruce to experience the same "Hell" he did.

 

[tomandshell]

BB was a Batman movie.

TDK was a Joker/Harvey Dent/Batman movie.

TDKR was a Bruce Wayne/John Blake/Catwoman/Bane/Talia/Batman/Matthew Modine movie.

As the series went on, Nolan became less and less interested in giving me Batman doing Batman stuff. I would have liked more suit screen time--a bit less flying and a bit more prowling and lurking in the darkness.

I will say that while TDK peaked too soon and had a weak final act, everything in TDKR built up to the climax well, more like BB. BB was just more tight and focused getting there.

 

[jye4ever]

I actually gave that to Bane wanting Bruce to experience the same "Hell" he did.

Some hell then, he got his back fixed quicker than if he was at Cornell Hospital in Manhattan.

At least in BB, prisoners actually wanted to kill him.

 

[Josh-A-Tron]

Some hell then, he got his back fixed quicker than if he was at Cornell Hospital in Manhattan.

True, about the same as the girl with the magic healing powers in the comics.

 

[jye4ever]

BB was a Batman movie.

TDK was a Joker/Harvey Dent/Batman movie.

TDKR was a Bruce Wayne/John Blake/Catwoman/Bane/Talia/Batman/Matthew Modine movie.

As the series went on, Nolan became less and less interested in giving me Batman doing Batman stuff. I would have liked more suit screen time--a bit less flying and a bit more prowling and lurking in the darkness.

I will say that while TDK peaked too soon and had a weak final act, everything in TDKR built up to the climax well, more like BB. BB was just more tight and focused getting there.

Definately too much flying, would've loved more Batman prowling on his feet.

Modine's death did nothing for me, his character should've just been cut from the movie.

 

[DarkMagic]

Some hell then, he got his back fixed quicker than if he was at Cornell Hospital in Manhattan.

At least in BB, prisoners actually wanted to kill him.

I got the impression that Bane wanted him in that specific prison because seeing the sunlight so close...just a simple climb...would give him hope. And he said that there can be no real despair without hope.

As for the speed of his healing, the film didn't hit us over the head with it with onscreen text that said "four months later" or anything like that, but I figured he didn't recover that quickly, and he was locked away in that prison and Gotham was under Bane's rule for at least a few months.

 

[darthviper107]

Just got back, I really liked it, very well done. I think overall it was the best out of the 3, but the Joker gives a heavy weight to the second film.

The ending was done really well also.

 

[jye4ever]

I got the impression that Bane wanted him in that specific prison because seeing the sunlight so close...just a simple climb...would give him hope. And he said that there can be no real despair without hope.

As for the speed of his healing, the film didn't hit us over the head with it with onscreen text that said "four months later" or anything like that, but I figured he didn't recover that quickly, and he was locked away in that prison and Gotham was under Bane's rule for at least a few months.

Put him in solitary confinement with a tv, screw hope.

 

[Kamandi]

Definately too much flying, would've loved more Batman prowling on his feet.

Modine's death did nothing for me, his character should've just been cut from the movie.

Modine's character represented what most of the cops in Gotham were left thinking at the end of TDK. He thinks Bats is a cop killer and has no trust in him. That evolves over the film, and clearly the rest of Gotham's PD go through a similar change as well.

 

[DarkMagic]

Put him in solitary confinement with a sunroof made of steel.

Yeah, but with no possibility of escape, there is no hope. The point wasn't that seeing the sun is important for having hope, the point is that seeing an exit...a possibility of escape gives hope.

 

[jye4ever]

Modine's character represented what most of the cops in Gotham were left thinking at the end of TDK. He thinks Bats is a cop killer and has no trust in him. That evolves over the film, and clearly the rest of Gotham's PD go through a similar change as well.

It seemed to me that he was just after Gordon's position and one way to do this was by catching Batman, so much so that he just ignored Bane and his henchmen that had just shot up Wall street.

He was just an alright character so his death really meant nothing to me.

 

[Darkseed]

He was just an alright character so his death really meant nothing to me.

I was glad to see him go, he was a wuss...

 

[ZsaszSays]

Put him in solitary confinement with a tv, screw hope.

That would be a really boring part of the movie.

 

[jye4ever]

Yeah, but with no possibility of escape, there is no hope. The point wasn't that seeing the sun is important for having hope, the point is that seeing an exit...a possibility of escape gives hope.

True true,

so put him in the same prison with no one else in there to fix his back.

Or was fixing his back part of Bane's hope plan?