The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[GodzillaSpawn]

Although there is one thing that I felt was just real stupid. You have a huge gun fight/street brawl going on (which literally made no sense in the way they ran towards each other...into each other's bullets...and then decided to just have a fist fight) but you then have Bane and Batman fighting in the middle and nobody shoots them? Yet plenty of dumbasses try to throw down with them and get beat up but everybody happened to lose their gun. Any real cop should have shot Bane in the head.

 

[Craze]

I need to get to the theater soon for my second viewing. It was a lot to take in with all my friends and excitement the first go around for sure.

 

[batfan1991]

Just finished watching this movie!!!!! Truly amazing! In my opinion one of the best movies/trilogy's I have ever seen. If not the best Awesome!!!!!!!!

 

[MasterSafara]

Although there is one thing that I felt was just real stupid. You have a huge gun fight/street brawl going on (which literally made no sense in the way they ran towards each other...into each other's bullets...and then decided to just have a fist fight) but you then have Bane and Batman fighting in the middle and nobody shoots them? Yet plenty of dumbasses try to throw down with them and get beat up but everybody happened to lose their gun. Any real cop should have shot Bane in the head.

Yeah but it's a movie and it was still epic!

 

[JAWS]

Okay so I saw The Dark Knight Rises for the second time today. I went last night as well. I saw it again for 2 reasons. First of all it was so good it deserved to be seen again. PERIOD. Especially in IMAX! Second I need another go around to pay closer attention to the finer details. Here's what I can tell you...

Spoiler

The movie is so chaotic during about the last 10 minutes with all the action sequences from scene to scene that I actually missed an important scene the first time around and was more distracted by these scenes that I missed tiny details. Batman lives. That is clear to me now. I thought he died after I saw it for the first time because I missed the scene (even though I was right there watching lol) I missed the scene where Fox is speaking with the techs and they figure out the auto pilot was "patched," which if I recall correctly is the word they used, 6 months or was it 3? Lol earlier by Bruce Wayne. What threw me off is that Batman tells Catwoman before he takes off with the bomb to the ocean is auto pilot does not work. Secondlythat the blast is that of 4 ton nuclear bomb with a blast radius of 6 miles. I figured there's no way he survives. Then I watched very closely the second time around and noticed the last time you see Batman in the cockpit of the Bat is as he's flying over the bridge after he blows up a skyscraper to make clearance. He's still in the Bat at that point. Then you see the Bat flying out to sea. At no point do you see Batman eject which is fine because it sets up the ending without giving it away. Batman told Catwoman there was no auto pilot so that he could fake his own death to finally "start over" as they kept saying in the film. Then Alfred's fantasy comes true as he sees Bruce and Selina Kyle at the restaurant cafe. So Bruce ends up with Catwoman and they both start over. I'm not sure who repaired the bat signal but I believe it was Bruce giving rise to the new dark knight Blake who real legal name is of course... you guessed it! ROBIN! Robin finds the bat cave and he's seen rising at the end. Perfect! I can't believe this will be the end to the trilogy but if it really is its a masterpiece trilogy and was finished to perfection!

Anyone with questions feel free to ask me as its still fresh in my memory and I understand it all from start to finish now. Try and stump me!

Why couldnt you just believe us??

We told you all of that and yet you fought and fought. You owe us all a SS discount card

Happy to hear you liked it even more after the second viewing

 

[CelticPredator]

Saw the movie. It was good but defiantly not the best movie ever made. Who ever thought of Banes voice is just an idiot. That whole realistic Blake robin crap was ridiculous, Grayson is a great character why the hell would you replace him with that no name??
Movie was good but the dark knight was miles better. Sorry. Batman was ight, I like catwomen so much better actually. Still feel this movie would have been more epic if it included joker in some way.

Well, the Joker is dead. So asking for his character back is dumb.

 

[ZaCHw117]

Alex?

Stupid iPhone.

Meant to type "at least."

 

[MasterSafara]

Why couldnt you just believe us??

We told you all of that and yet you fought and fought. You owe us all a SS discount card

Happy to hear you liked it even more after the second viewing

Because I HAD to see it again! Not just a must see! A MUST SEE AGAIN!

 

[Fernandofan08]

where did they say joker was dead?

 

[thenammagazine]

where did they say joker was dead?

They didn't. Nolan didn't even acknowledge him at all in TDKR.

 

[CelticPredator]

where did they say joker was dead?

https://articles.cnn.com/2008-01-22...ath-pills-actor-joker-in-batman?_s=PM:SHOWBIZ

 

[Fernandofan08]

They didn't. Nolan didn't even acknowledge him at all in TDKR.

I thought so. I was pretty sure he was never mentioned in TDKR.

I get the beef with it, It annoyed me too. But the problem is..... If ledger wasnt dead, TDKR wouldnt be this film. Joker wouldve returned, it wouldnt have been an 8 year gap, and it wouldnt be asif joker never existed.

You can tell Nolan wanted the Joker to return; 'Were destined to do this for a long time','you complete me', 'You wont kill me because of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness, i wont kill you because your too much fun'. It was every batfans wet dream, because it was so faithful to the source material, Ledger nailed a fantastic interpretation of the Joker and it was set up for future appearances.

But Ledger died, Nolan refused to acknowledge Joker out of respect for Heath even if it did feel abit out of place in TDKR.

But I dont let that affect me view on the film, because I understand why Nolan chose not to have any mention of the joker. Probably in the same way you people dont want to give that animal who killed those people at the cinema the time of day or mention him because he isnt worth it; Thats how I look at what Bruce and Alfred are like in the film; You can see the hate but they never mention him. You see the exchange of words between Bruce and Alfred, when he is talking about rachel you can see he is talking about joker. Bruce doesnt need to talk or mention Joker because the scars he carries speak volumes; because of him he was stabbed, because of him he was shot by Dent, because of him Dent died, because of him batman was a criminal as he turned Dent, because of him, his one love is dead and he cant move on. Joker did a huge amount of damage to Bruce, without needing to say his name.

Which is why I can accept it really.

 

[Fernandofan08]

https://articles.cnn.com/2008-01-22...ath-pills-actor-joker-in-batman?_s=PM:SHOWBIZ

Im onabout the character Joker, not Ledger lol. Everyone including megs arse knows Ledger died!

 

[CelticPredator]

I know. But the Nolan Joker died with him.

 

[yongkykun]

Fellow member eczamurai made a good point that Crane's position as judge could have been a better suited role for Joker in TDKR.

 

[Fernandofan08]

I know. But the Nolan Joker died with him.

The actor died, the character didnt in the film though is what i mean. He isnt spoke but thats it, Joker isnt dead

 

[Fernandofan08]

Fellow member eczamurai made a good point that Crane's position as judge could have been a better suited role for Joker in TDKR.

Could you imagine it? It would amazing. Joker in a judges wig just like in the BTAS cartoons. And it wouldve been a much longer scene. Wouldve been good to see the dialogue between Gordon and Joker too. And a reference to 'when the chips are down, theyll cast you out, like a lepper'.

What an epic scene that would be.... In fact, if Dent was alive, it wouldve been even better; Joker as the judge, Dent as the DA charging them, charging gordon with Murder of Rachel, joker nodding in agreement, Bane knitting shaking his head..... Scarecrow giving evidence against them. My god.....

 

[thenammagazine]

I thought so. I was pretty sure he was never mentioned in TDKR.

I get the beef with it, It annoyed me too. But the problem is..... If ledger wasnt dead, TDKR wouldnt be this film. Joker wouldve returned, it wouldnt have been an 8 year gap, and it wouldnt be asif joker never existed.

You can tell Nolan wanted the Joker to return; 'Were destined to do this for a long time','you complete me', 'You wont kill me because of some misplaced sense of self-righteousness, i wont kill you because your too much fun'. It was every batfans wet dream, because it was so faithful to the source material, Ledger nailed a fantastic interpretation of the Joker and it was set up for future appearances.

But Ledger died, Nolan refused to acknowledge Joker out of respect for Heath even if it did feel abit out of place in TDKR.

But I dont let that affect me view on the film, because I understand why Nolan chose not to have any mention of the joker. Probably in the same way you people dont want to give that animal who killed those people at the cinema the time of day or mention him because he isnt worth it; Thats how I look at what Bruce and Alfred are like in the film; You can see the hate but they never mention him. You see the exchange of words between Bruce and Alfred, when he is talking about rachel you can see he is talking about joker. Bruce doesnt need to talk or mention Joker because the scars he carries speak volumes; because of him he was stabbed, because of him he was shot by Dent, because of him Dent died, because of him batman was a criminal as he turned Dent, because of him, his one love is dead and he cant move on. Joker did a huge amount of damage to Bruce, without needing to say his name.

Which is why I can accept it really.

Wrong, actually. No Joker and his repeated mentioning of why Dent died in TDKR makes TDK a completely useless movie. You could cut it right out of your library, watch BB and TDKR and have zero need for TDK. That's the saddest thing about it. In Nolan's inability to deal with the Joker in fear that it might somehow tarnish Ledger's performance, it comes off more as if he wished Joker had never been in TDK. Matter of fact, cut the Joker card out of the end of BB and you'd never even know he existed.

 

[yongkykun]

Could you imagine it? It would amazing. Joker in a judges wig just like in the BTAS cartoons. And it wouldve been a much longer scene. Wouldve been good to see the dialogue between Gordon and Joker too. And a reference to 'when the chips are down, theyll cast you out, like a lepper'.

What an epic scene that would be.... In fact, if Dent was alive, it wouldve been even better; Joker as the judge, Dent as the DA charging them, charging gordon with Murder of Rachel, joker nodding in agreement, Bane knitting shaking his head..... Scarecrow giving evidence against them. My god.....

I know, right? It would be a brilliant "I told you so" moment.

 

[Fernandofan08]

Wrong, actually. No Joker and his repeated mentioning of why Dent died in TDKR makes TDK a completely useless movie. You could cut it right out of your library, watch BB and TDKR and have zero need for TDK. That's the saddest thing about it. In Nolan's inability to deal with the Joker in fear that it might somehow tarnish Ledger's performance, it comes off more as if he wished Joker had never been in TDK. Matter of fact, cut the Joker card out of the end of BB and you'd never even know he existed.

I agree about Nolans inability, and I agree about how really, its like TDK never existed to a large extent. But thats the price we pay for Ledger topping himself, as horrid as it sounds.

I wouldnt be satisfied with just a mention of the joker. I wouldnt be satisfied until Joker was on screen. Hell, even if they just did a CGI or something, anything. a Cameo, but joker needed to be on screen or not exist in TDKR.

It sucks massively but it doesnt spoil the film to me. But like i said, TDKR isnt the film that I bet was originally conceived when Ledger was alive.