RyanSD
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But it was present throughout the first 2 movies. It wasn't "Ok, we caught the Joker, don't have to worry about crime anymore, Presents and ****jobs for everyone!"
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But it was present throughout the first 2 movies. It wasn't "Ok, we caught the Joker, don't have to worry about crime anymore, Presents and ****jobs for everyone!"
The Joker was the escalation. The Joker was handled. The end.
Deckard
Super Freak
Cop out BS because Nolan's pal died.
Heath killed himself. Nolan killed the Joker.
Heath killed himself. Nolan killed the Joker.
thenammagazine
Super Freak
The fact is, TDK set up Joker to continue on. Nolan had an obligation to at least endcap that storyline in TDKR. Nolan couldn't remove his personal feelings from the character and instead, half-assed a story for TDKR which completely abated Joker from the story. It was entirely unprofessional and if Nolan was incapable of dealing with his feelings regarding Ledger's death should've ether passed, or given it to his brother to do. With the exception of "reality TV," every other profession I know fires employees who bring personal problems to work.
If all these are facts lets see the supporting evidence.
but you are making it sound like the Joker was the only lunatic in the entire world, like the Joker was the only one that was mentally unstable,
how convenient........ really, How convenient that the Mob was gone and no one trying to take their place, how convenient that the only crazy guy in the world was caught, and there are no more big time criminals or crazy people according to Nolan,
like I said, a fantasy world, Men In Black has an even more believable Universe than the Nolan movie had for Rises, if you have a city with zero crime and zero crazy people trying to destroy the city, you might as well have Bruce Wayne become a real bat then, because that's how far fetched it was,
another thing that I found funny, in 8 years there is no big crime or big criminals in Gotham, yet Bane has a full army in a couple of months....
convenient.......
thenammagazine
Super Freak
www.google.com Let your fingers do the walking. He certainly wasn't shy about stating why we didn't see the Joker in TDKR and did several interviews on the matter.
Deckard
Super Freak
TDKR Bruce Wayne = Chris Nolan
Shell of a man whos friend died and doesnt want to play Batman anymore.
Shell of a man whos friend died and doesnt want to play Batman anymore.
thenammagazine
Super Freak
TDKR Bruce Wayne = Chris Nolan
Shell of a man whos friend died and doesnt want to play Batman anymore.
OUCH!
Truth though. 
intothevoid
Super Freak
Dent Act implausible? See earlier post about Patriot Act
Miranda Tate being made CEO? It was an act of desperation, and she was a board member. Seemingly had been for a number of years, and had the full trust of Fox. So how is it implausible exactly?
Blake figuring Batman out I thought was beautifully done. It's not just by looking at him. It's by seeing parallels to himself in Wayne. But I can see why that didn't work for some.
The CIA guy was annoying as heck - agreed.
Mathew Modine acted just fine though
The rest of the supporting cast was all superb as usual. Dagget and Stryver were really well done I thought. Basrad was cool. Even the veteran cop was great
And i've been over the escalation point at least a dozen times in this thread
thenammagazine
Super Freak
Dent Act implausible? See earlier post about Patriot Act
Miranda Tate being made CEO? It was an act of desperation, and she was a board member. Seemingly had been for a number of years, and had the full trust of Fox. So how is it implausible exactly?
Blake figuring Batman out I thought was beautifully done. It's not just by looking at him. It's by seeing parallels to himself in Wayne. But I can see why that didn't work for some.
The CIA guy was annoying as heck - agreed.
Mathew Modine acted just fine though
The rest of the supporting cast was all superb as usual. Dagget and Stryver were really well done I thought. Basrad was cool. Even the veteran cop was great
And i've been over the escalation point at least a dozen times in this thread
Plothole. There's no way either of them would've promoted her without a thorough background check. The fact that neither of these brilliant men found anything suspicious, the exact opposite of things we saw them do in TDK, was inexcusable. But it was necessary for his thin as all hell plot.
intothevoid
Super Freak
Plothole. There's no way either of them would've promoted her without a thorough background check. The fact that neither of these brilliant men found anything suspicious, the exact opposite of things we saw them do in TDK, was inexcusable. But it was necessary for his thin as all hell plot.
The background checks would have been completed before she was made a board member. The fact that they didn't find anything hardly means much. She's the daughter of Ra's Al Ghul, she knows a thing or two about deception.
Not seeing the Joker in the film has nothing to do with the idea you're setting up as fact. Which is you believe the second film was setup to continue on and the only reason it didn't is because Ledger died. There is no evidence to support that. In fact, we know for sure that Nolan wasn't even sure he wanted to do a third film at all. We know that as far back as 2008 WB wanted Leo to be cast as the Riddler in a third film, we know that Goyer had an outline for 2 films that included Joker, but we know for a fact that Nolan combined both of these films into TDK before Ledger died. It is absolutely a possibility that Nolan would have brought him back for a cameo if he hadn't died, he may have even featured him again. It is also absolutely a possibility that he would have never made an appearance and we still would have gotten exactly what we recieved. Regardless, him being mentioned or showing up in the story we did get would have only served for fanboy *******. It would have added nothing to the storyline.
thenammagazine
Super Freak
In this issue of EW (with the tragically prophetic tagline) Nolan and Bale are interviewed and Nolan states point blank that the Joker isn't referenced in TDKR because he didn't want to minimize the tragedy of Heath's death by doing away with the character through off hand dialogue in the new movie. He wanted the Ledger's on screen performance in TDK to be the last reference anyone would ever have of the character.
He did not suggest that they actually had any concrete plans for the character other than some general musings about where the story might go IF they made a movie after TDK.
RyanSD
Super Freak
Dent Act implausible? See earlier post about Patriot Act
Miranda Tate being made CEO? It was an act of desperation, and she was a board member. Seemingly had been for a number of years, and had the full trust of Fox. So how is it implausible exactly?
Blake figuring Batman out I thought was beautifully done. It's not just by looking at him. It's by seeing parallels to himself in Wayne. But I can see why that didn't work for some.
The CIA guy was annoying as heck - agreed.
Mathew Modine acted just fine though
The rest of the supporting cast was all superb as usual. Dagget and Stryver were really well done I thought. Basrad was cool. Even the veteran cop was great
And i've been over the escalation point at least a dozen times in this thread
The Tate as CEO just didn't make any sense to me. If Wayne was the majority shareholder and Lucius was CEO, and then Wayne 'traded/sold' his shares(because of the bane/stock market stuff) that wouldn't immediately make Lucius not the CEO. And why would they need to change CEOs? It just didn't make sense other than a reason to have Tate be shown the reactor. Its just kind of convoluted string of events that exists for no other reason than to get to the point where Tate is shown the reactor.
The Dent act is fine as it stands, but its implausible to think it would do away with organized crime completely. Even compared to the patriot act, there's been many attempted acts of terrorism and such, and I hate to say it, but look what happened opening weekend. That kind of stuff will always exist, and that's why Batman would have been needed those 8 years.
The Blake knowing who Batman is thing just rubbed me the wrong way in general. I think JGL is a great actor and did a great job in this, but the whole 'Robin' angle just seemed forced, especially given Nolan's anti-Robin stance. But it worked out, because I did like how the film ended with him. Again, just a convenient 'known' in the film to get to the stage where Nolan wants the film to be at.
Modine worked with what he was given, but c'mon, how many times did he call Blake a Hot Head? Its was awful. I guess it was really just Modine's character and the CIA agent that really stand out as bad.
In this issue of EW (with the tragically prophetic tagline) Nolan and Bale are interviewed and Nolan states point blank that the Joker isn't referenced in TDKR because he didn't want to minimize the tragedy of Heath's death by doing away with the character through off hand dialogue in the new movie. He wanted the Ledger's on screen performance in TDK to be the last reference anyone would ever have of the character.
He did not suggest that they actually had any concrete plans for the character other than some general musings about where the story might go IF they made a movie after TDK.
Read the interview, and like I said above. Reasons for why the Joker isn't going to be mentioned isn't the same as planning a third movie that was going to include him. There is no fact that supports that idea.
Ah, I thought that you were disagreeing with the notion that Nolan deliberately nixed any reference of the Joker in TDKR due to his personal feelings regarding the actor's real life death. Carry on then.
TDKR Bruce Wayne = Chris Nolan
Shell of a man whos friend died and doesnt want to play Batman anymore.
well.... He DID make Leo Dicaprio be himself in Inception, a movie that was basically a movie about making movies,
so I could see how this could be the truth too,
if this was Nolan's coping with the loss, I really wish he didn't use Batman for this,
Dent Act implausible? See earlier post about Patriot Act
Miranda Tate being made CEO? It was an act of desperation, and she was a board member. Seemingly had been for a number of years, and had the full trust of Fox. So how is it implausible exactly?
Blake figuring Batman out I thought was beautifully done. It's not just by looking at him. It's by seeing parallels to himself in Wayne. But I can see why that didn't work for some.
The CIA guy was annoying as heck - agreed.
Mathew Modine acted just fine though
The rest of the supporting cast was all superb as usual. Dagget and Stryver were really well done I thought. Basrad was cool. Even the veteran cop was great
And i've been over the escalation point at least a dozen times in this thread
the only thing that is implausible and ridiculous is thinking that in 8 years no one tried to take the place of the Mob or that a crazy psychopath would try to destroy Gotham,
there is no way things were so peaceful and perfect, even with the Dent act,
jye4ever
Broke and happy
My only gripe with the movie is that the story we did get just needed to be more fleshed out another 30 minutes.
I really hope that Nolan knows this and gives us a directors cut he believes in.
I really hope that Nolan knows this and gives us a directors cut he believes in.
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