The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[Raymond F.]

not sure about the auto pilot thing. With Alfred, we assume some time had passed since the funeral and seeing as they didn't find a body, Alfred prolly suspected Bruce was still alive some how, so I don't think he was all that surprised when his cafe fantasy came true.

Dude, how would they have found a body? It supposedly exploded in an atomic bomb lol!

I have to say all of Plattys points are things that also bugged me.

A solid film but I too woke up this morning more and more underwhelmed by it. I enjoy it for what it is but it's got some major flaws for me,

Aside from straying from the source material which I can even forgive a little in respect to seeing something fresh, the potholes in this one were big, the introduction of too many new useless characters really messed this movie up. There was maybe need for Blake to set up a successor and talia and bane to wrap up the ras thing but the rest were just too much,

Also after I thought about it I realized we only saw batman twice and both times were underwhelming. He shows up after 8 years zooming in on his dinky little motorcycle nonchalantly?

Also add me to the camp that hates the bat, and the pod and the rumble for the record, not the principal of them which are awesome but the design itself. The bat looked a little silly flying around like this big black block in the sky. Looked silly.

Now what did i like? The 8 year gap, batman being worn to bits, the profile lf how bruce needed batman for purpose amd without batman his body and mind broke down, the purpose of bejng barman is what gave him his strength back... I love that psychological play.

Also I liked how this film touched on the very vulnerable mental state of Batman. He has some clear mental issues due to the trauma it also feeds into his attachment/abandonment issues which is why he unhealthily fixates on his mission to dress up like a bat , look at the women he chooses to be with. Pretty much the only two women to show him real attention and both are flawed. Both abandon him, much like his parents abandoned him if even by tragedy. So Bruce wants to be loved by these women who abandoned him in such an unrational way it sort of makes sense that he'd make rash decisions around them that involve shifting his obsession with being batman to something else. I don't think batman is as much as a hero as he is someone who has control issues. He couldn't control his parents death but he can control his city, he can control his perception of himself. He's also rich so he can control pretty much everything else. He couldn't control Rachel's or Selina's abandoning him so that's why they have such a profound effect on him. You take the control away from Bruce and he's a scared 8 year old boy who's parents were murdered,

Anywys I liked his getting broken by bane, the Pitt, bane in principal was a decent villain (though pailed to Rhas and Joker) I liked Marion as Talia though I wish she did more. Levitt was great, though I wish he was based on a real robin to satisfy my fanboy, bale was amazing and played this part fantastic, loved the bane vs batman scene. Liked how Alfred was used and as always love Garry Oldman.


All in all my ratings are as followed

BB 9/10
TDK 8/10
TDKR 7/10

All in all I like it as an end to the Nolan movies but I'm glad they are done. I'm not so much dissappointed by this movie as I am sort of indifferent to it all. On to new pastures with dCs best character...

 

[thenammagazine]

Nam are you really crying about the lack of the Joker?

This is not the comicbooks or a cartoon, where the Joker just escapes on a routine basis as a convenient plot device. In the more realistic Nolanverse it stands to reason that Joker had his "epic" moment, failed, and was ultimately locked up in maximum security prison far from Gotham. He either rots in prison until he dies or is executed. No escape. The end.

I mean how often have Charles Manson or the Unabomber escaped to one again threaten the good citizens of Gotham?

It's about consistency and fluidity as a trilogy. The films now feel disjointed because the Joker was supposed to serve this big purpose but now he's only limited in aspect. Your remark about Joker failing is apologistic and nonsensical. Joker didn't fail. He took a good man, amplified the evil in him and essentially destroyed him. I guess you've been ignoring the real reasons as to why he wasn't mentioned. And your Manson point is A-typically idiotic given Scarecrow did it repeatedly over the course of the three films.

Your trolling won't change anyone's opinion of the film

Do you reeeeeeeeeeeally think he cares to?

I agree for the most part. Joker should not have been ignored. He should have been mentioned or recast. The Joker was here long before Heath and will be here long after. The character is bigger then any one actor. I am not saying base the whole film on him or give him a huge role but make some sort of acknowledgement.

I don't mind that he had no major role. As the Batman files book I have states (not a direct quote) "There is no reason to Joker's madness. One day he may let you live because he likes your shoes. The next day he might kill you because he likes your shoes"

In my mind Joker could have escaped but felt no need to act since Bane told the truth of Dent and the city was in chaos. Joker is a loner/sometimes leader and never a follower. But there needed to be some sort of mention. SOMETHING!! Because, yes it sort of wipes a big part of TDK away. Like most of it never happened. Even if they gave us a flashback of him in the cell when Rachel died.

Oh well. I still enjoyed the film. Not as greatly as many here and I don't see it holding up as well with repeat viewing but I did really enjoy it and will be seeing it again in the theaters at some point.

 

[Darkseed]

Reminded me of Rocky III (or Rocky VI) Rocky gets ass handed to him by T. Becomes afraid not just of T but to lose everything only to rise above his fear to overcome it all. I didn't find the story telling original, inspirational etc and the ending for me was disappointing.

 

[Voorhees27]

Any and every film ever made is subjective. You can't please everyone. Imo Nolan may have failed at trying too hard to make each film more and more complex whereas The Avengers was pretty simple. And it worked.

I'm pretty content with having the pleasure of enjoying most everything made this summer. Haven't seen ASM yet though.

 

[DarthNeil]

I am a comic fan who has collected since the late 70's and while I've enjoyed both Marvel and DC I refuse to label myself one or the other. My favourite Marvel character has always been Captain America while in DC it's been Batman. I love reading the Avengers while I also enjoy the Justice League-- Honestly I'd have to say that TDK is my favourite of the Nolan trilogy and I'd place The Avengers above TDKR. Having said that I really enjoyed TDKR and I was completely immersed as the 2 hours and 44 minutes flew by.

The Knightfall comic arc was one of my favourites and I liked the subtle nods that were found in the portrayal of Bane while still connecting his character/mission to the previous two films. But what I loved most of all was the conclusion of the film because while Knightfall was a very enjoyable comic arc and the subsequent fall of Jean-Paul Valley was also fun to read my absolute favourite Batman (and possibly all comic stories) was after Bruce returned, vanquished the fake Batman, and then left the mantle in the capable hands of D1ck Grayson. Seeing a younger Batman (with a Robin at his side) with someone other than Bruce Wayne in the costume was a terrific read and made for stories. I absolutely loved the final shot of Nolan's trilogy and I'd be thrilled to see a smaller scale movie JGL as Batman solving a crime-- working with a skeptical Jim Gordon (who is this?)-- dark and without too much of the Wayne/Fox designed billion-dollar gadgets.

Great film. Loved the ending. It hit all of the right notes (poor Alfred though being put through that-- Bruce must be a sadist).

 

[Raymond F.]

Reminded me of Rocky III (or Rocky VI) Rocky gets ass handed to him by T. Becomes afraid not just of T but to lose everything only to rise above his fear to overcome it all. I didn't find the story telling original, inspirational etc and the ending for me was disappointing.

It's more interesting than rocky because it's psychological. Bruce literally breaks apart without his purpose to be batman which is the only thing that gives him a sense of control. He's not building himself back up to overcome great odds and be a hero, he's building himself back up because him unhealthy attachment is given a reason to resurface. Batman is needed Bruce has a purpose, the motivation fills that void for him because he now has a reason to be in control again. Without control he's a scared 8 year old boy who's parents were shot in front of him. Bruce has control and abandonment issues.

Which is why it's not as happy an ending as some may think. Bruce is just as ____ed up as he ever was, and now he's shifted his unhealthy obsession to a wacknut of a woman, someone who dresses up like him, a thief, prostitute... It's bound to end complicated and Bruce is back to square one. The only real end for Bruce is death.

 

[Bullseye]

Just back from seeing it a second time. Still very enjoyable. People are going on about the auto-pilot for me survival after the stab wound is the bigger plot hole and getting six miles from the city in about 30 second (and I'm being generous with the 30 seconds).

 

[intothevoid]

The end for everyone is death though.

I thought the ending represented Bruce finally moving on, and it was made fairly clear IMO that Selina wanted to move on as well

But it's quite pointless arguing about where Bruce goes from here, its upto everyone to decide for themselves

 

[The Josh]

I still don't understand that mindset at all.

Trust me I'm cheering for one team in the sec and that's it.

 

[intothevoid]

Just back from seeing it a second time. Still very enjoyable. People are going on about the auto-pilot for me survival after the stab wound is the bigger plot hole and getting six miles from the city in about 30 second (and I'm being generous with the 30 seconds).

It was merely a stab in his side

Also from my recollection I thought there was a clear 1min left when he takes off?

To get 6 miles away in 1 minute means 360 miles per hour, not all that implausible for a flying vehicle

 

[Bullseye]

It looked like a stab to the kidney area. Plus she twisted the knife in the wound.

Plus where do people think he ejected? Minor for me but still interesting to debat.

It was merely a stab in his side

Also from my recollection I thought there was a clear 1min left when he takes off?

To get 6 miles away in 1 minute means 360 miles per hour, not all that implausible for a flying vehicle

 

[Irvy]

One of the parts I do like about this movie is that we get to see the ultimate physical test for batman with the first bane fight . Compliments the interrogation in DK where we get a thrilling psychological scene. Finest moments for both villains.

 

[Ziggie]

If you think about it, Bruce was Batman for what, a few weeks in begins, TDK is about a year after Begins so he was Batman all that time as well, TDK was over the course of what, another few weeks lets say, then he retired for 8 years at the end of TDK, then he came back twice, then retired again.

So If you put it all together, Bruce was only Batman for about a year and half from start to finish.

Still loved the trilogy though, but it does bother me.

 

[Dark Passenger]

During the fight scene Bane says, "Oh you think darkness is your ally. You merely adopted the dark; I was born in it. Molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man and by then it was nothing to me but....."

Any help?

 

[thenammagazine]

It's more interesting than rocky because it's psychological. Bruce literally breaks apart without his purpose to be batman which is the only thing that gives him a sense of control. He's not building himself back up to overcome great odds and be a hero, he's building himself back up because him unhealthy attachment is given a reason to resurface. Batman is needed Bruce has a purpose, the motivation fills that void for him because he now has a reason to be in control again. Without control he's a scared 8 year old boy who's parents were shot in front of him. Bruce has control and abandonment issues.

Which is why it's not as happy an ending as some may think. Bruce is just as ____ed up as he ever was, and now he's shifted his unhealthy obsession to a wacknut of a woman, someone who dresses up like him, a thief, prostitute... It's bound to end complicated and Bruce is back to square one. The only real end for Bruce is death.

Because Rocky III wasn't?

The whole focus of Rocky III was psychological, him getting back the mindset, i.e. the "eye of the tiger," he had as a hungry boxer. Guess if it's not directed by Nolan you goofballs don't pay attention.

 

[Platty]

I wonder if Blake will stay on as a cop through the day so Gordon and others don't know he is the new dark knight? Then again he did throw his badge into the sea.

 

[ZaCHw117]

If memory serves, Bane didn't read Gordon's confession on Dent Day, he read it after.

ZaCH, wasn't Batman mentioned in the confession as saving Gordon's son?

Damn, this thread moves fast.

But yeah Nam he does. Spaced that one out.

 

[Voorhees27]

Because Rocky III wasn't?

The whole focus of Rocky III was psychological, him getting back the mindset, i.e. the "eye of the tiger," he had as a hungry boxer. Guess if it's not directed by Nolan you goofballs don't pay attention.

He does kinda have a point, Ray

In Rocky III Rocko lost all of his confidence, the worst thing that can ever happen to an athlete. After his loss to Clubber and the loss of his mentor Mick, it became 100% psychological.

 

[Kabukiman]

I wonder if Blake will stay on as a cop through the day so Gordon and others don't know he is the new dark knight? Then again he did throw his badge into the sea.

Considering how he threw his badge into the bay, I'd say that scenario is unlikely.

 

[yongkykun]

It looked like a stab to the kidney area. Plus she twisted the knife in the wound.

Plus where do people think he ejected? Minor for me but still interesting to debat.

Some have speculated that he actually ejected when he blew off those buildings on the way to the coastline (we see it from the point of view of Blake on the bridge). The flying dust, debris and smoke provided the cover for him.

So If you put it all together, Bruce was only Batman for about a year and half from start to finish.

Still loved the trilogy though, but it does bother me.

Oh great, now it bothers me as well!