devilof76
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The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*
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Though the Nolancompoops use Wayne sitting at a computer that's doing all the work as their copout defense.
Just like in BTAS, just like 89 and just like modern day batman. input the data and let the computer do the work.
Thats what the batcomputer is for. Adam wests was the same.
devilof76
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Maybe he meant the other kind of detective work, like reading faces, interpreting personal histories, and deducing identities.
Oh wait, no, that's the convoluted exposition method. Not real detective work.
Hmm...
I think the conclusion we're inexorably working towards is that you're not a real detective unless you have purple gloves.
Oh wait, no, that's the convoluted exposition method. Not real detective work.
Hmm...
I think the conclusion we're inexorably working towards is that you're not a real detective unless you have purple gloves.
Tell you what, Nam must hate detective mode. That does everything for you!
intothevoid
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You mean the first world's greatest detective.
Well, for this universe.
Diflabio you should get this
Serious question... Does the Bruce Wayne/Batman in the Nolan movies ever really come across as the smartest character in the story, or even close?
I say no. That doesn't necessarily make it wrong. It's just a very different Batman than many of us are used to.
In fact, only the animated Batman really captures this uber intelligence... always the smartest one in the room, and always one with a plan (and redundancy plans). The live action films never display this. None of them. I really think we need this in the next film incarnation. Hell, it's one of the main things that sets him apart from other superheroes.
I say no. That doesn't necessarily make it wrong. It's just a very different Batman than many of us are used to.
In fact, only the animated Batman really captures this uber intelligence... always the smartest one in the room, and always one with a plan (and redundancy plans). The live action films never display this. None of them. I really think we need this in the next film incarnation. Hell, it's one of the main things that sets him apart from other superheroes.
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I thought it was pretty obvious he didn't care to find out who Batman was, because he trusted him as an ally. That seems to fit Gordon's character, he views people as good guys and bad guys. Batman is paranoid and sees the potential for darkness in everyone, himself included.
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I think you guys are kinda harsh. Not the strongest movie of the trilogy, but not terrible. There was plenty of stuff to like. I saw three main problems (okay, maybe four):
1) It was overly long.
2) When Talia was revealed, she did not have nearly enough screen time as a villain to make us care about her - she was the true big bad wolf, here.
3) After all the build-up, Bane's defeat was anti-climactic. Great line for Selina, but still.
4) This is my personal beef - this interpretation of Batman's universe simply didn't leave enough room for the rest of Batman's 'history' to play out. He went into hiding immediately after Dent died. I know Nolan wanted consequences for Batman's/Gordon's decision to cover up the truth, but perhaps the back story for this film could have included a career of fighting crime while simultaneously being hunted by the police, until it got to be too much and Batman hung up the cowl somewhere along the way. That would have been more satisfying and would have married up better with the end of TDK.
1) It was overly long.
2) When Talia was revealed, she did not have nearly enough screen time as a villain to make us care about her - she was the true big bad wolf, here.
3) After all the build-up, Bane's defeat was anti-climactic. Great line for Selina, but still.
4) This is my personal beef - this interpretation of Batman's universe simply didn't leave enough room for the rest of Batman's 'history' to play out. He went into hiding immediately after Dent died. I know Nolan wanted consequences for Batman's/Gordon's decision to cover up the truth, but perhaps the back story for this film could have included a career of fighting crime while simultaneously being hunted by the police, until it got to be too much and Batman hung up the cowl somewhere along the way. That would have been more satisfying and would have married up better with the end of TDK.
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I have to agree. In spite of the flaws I listed, I thought this was a great final bookend to this trilogy. The poeple who don't like it went into this not wanting to like it. It's fairly obvious from the tone of the posts. Funny, because a lot of the time i agree with what these folks have to say, but there's something about Nolan that just makes rational discussion irrelevant. I think it's because folks took a stand pretty early on and they don't want to seem like they are "waffling" by admitting there might be stuff to like here?
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Yup. Especially since he will soon be part of a shared filmverse interacting with other superheroes.
Not at all. The Marvel films really did do a good job of setting Tony Stark up as just that (though Banner gave him a run for his money.) Not so much with respect to WB's take on Bruce Wayne.
It'd be interesting to see that take on the character, especially since it surprisingly hasn't been exploited on film yet.
Viking Spawn
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I too, did not like Bane's death. Probably my biggest gripe about this film. I felt somewhat cheated Bats didn't have his full revenge.
Although I don't think Nolan's Batman is a dummy, I pretty much agree with this post.
I too, did not like Bane's death. Probably my biggest gripe about this film. I felt somewhat cheated Bats didn't have his full revenge.
Well, it's not as if Bat's was going to break his one rule for Bane.
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Nolan Batman knew how to fight and spend money. That was about it. Fox is the smartest man.
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Jonathan Nolan: "He has this one rule, as the Joker says in the Dark Knight. But he does wind up breaking it."
Christopher Nolan: "He breaks it in two."
Jonathan Nolan: "In the first two."
David S. Goyer: Well, in the first, it's a kind of a yes and no. Refering to Ra's Al Ghul, when Batman says, 'I won't kill you but I don't have to save you.'
Christopher Nolan: Yeah, I guess he gets by on a technicality with that one.
Jonathan Nolan: He does, but I remember calling you up at one point, I think you'd already shot the scene, and I said, 'You know what I'm not sure, I'm not so sure about that one, seems wrong.' (That and the death of League of Shadows members). What I loved about that, in the fullness of three films, is that it looks like there's an evolution, as you were saying.
Christopher Nolan: Yeah, but I didn't know Batman didn't kill people when I signed on for the project. It was David Goyer who broke that news later on. And I was like, 'How do you make that work?' I said to the MPAA on the Dark Knight: 'Do you have any idea how hard it is to try and make a contemporary action film where the protagonist doesn't use guns? Doesn't kill etc.'
Also there's the two instances where he kills that garbage truck driver with a head on collision and of course, Harvey Dent by bucking him over the ledge to save Gordon's son. I assume that's who they mean, even though they don't go into detail about who he offs in TDK.
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