The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*

[ZaCHw117]

Trevor > Bane

That's actually very close for me.

 

[jye4ever]

Well he did kill an extremely annoying leading lady so I guess he's got that going for him. Otherwise he blew up a couple buildings (one of them empty) and conducted a failed riverboat social experiment. His "ace in the hole" made for a less than riveting final 10 minutes of the movie but then didn't go anywhere after that.

Joker did nothing, wut.

 

[Khev]

Joker did nothing, wut.

Well he didn't break the Bat, steal his arsenal and take over Gotham for five months, that's for sure.

 

[jye4ever]

Well he didn't break the Bat, steal his arsenal and take over Gotham for five months, that's for sure.

I thought Joker's accomplishments were more impressive.

More soul manipulation and destruction than just physical.

 

[DiFabio]

Joker also beat Batman (a trained ninja) with a pipe, a net and some pups. He also killed his girl and drove his "one hope for an ordinary life" into a foaming frenzy. He didn't have some lame plan to nuke the city either, he wanted to sit atop his throne and rule it through chaos and madness. He also rose to the top from a common criminal that steals mob money to criminal master mind. He tormented everyone from ordinary Gothamites to Gordon.


Bane beat a freaking rusty Batman that hadn't seen action in almost a decade, didn't even escape the pit by himself, mumbles, kills people much smaller and weaker than him (well, when he's standing on a box out of frame anyway) and had this convoluted plan of letting the city chill for 5 months and give the hero a doctor and some recovery time to let him come back and whoop his ***. Oh, and the little girl is really the one that escaped the pit and is the head honcho and made him cry before he got a cheap death after being a coward.




Joker all the way.

 

[jye4ever]

umm yeah, and that too.

 

[Khev]

I thought Joker's accomplishments were more impressive.

More soul manipulation and destruction than just physical.

I'd rather live in Gotham during the Joker's short reign of "terror" than Bane's Gotham for five months. You almost get the impression that the Joker was only there as an "escalated" response to Batman. If Batman wasn't there there might not even have been a problem because the Joker would have probably gotten bored and wandered off.

But Bane? He was there to destroy the city whether Bruce was there to watch or not. If he didn't step up the city was doomed. Higher stakes for the win.

 

[DiFabio]

Yeah, Gotham was just so bad during Bane's reign. Food and medical supplies coming in daily, curfews, no law. The cops weren't even killed, they were well fed and even came out from underground completely clean shaven!

I never saw any citizens fighting for their lives or panicking like they were in The Dark Knight. In fact, it seems like everyone stays in their homes. The streets were quiet, the worst thing that could happen to ya were some older dudes stealing your apple. Well, unless you were a businessman. Then they'd have a silly trial and make you walk on ice.



In the Dark Knight, cops and judges were getting blown away. There were televised videos of some freak show terrorizing the city and executing citizens. Everyone was on edge and it was so bad that they all wanted to evacuate the city.

 

[Khev]

Yeah, Gotham was just so bad during Bane's reign. Food and medical supplies coming in daily, curfews, no law.

Are you posting from a third world country where living like a refugee under a lawless tyrant as the US military frantically works to provide supplies as thugs drag people from their homes and murder them on a daily basis is actually a step UP from normal life? Dude, you need to move.

 

[The Josh]

I'd give Bane more due for being awesome if he hasn't been Bob Barkered at the end. In the end he was alright but much like the movie for me it comes up short of what they did with TDK.

 

[batfan08]

I feel like you're under explaining TDKR a bit.
#1.) it's a bit hypocritical to cite how Joker was executing civilians on television in an effort to undermine Bane's credibility, while overlooking the fact that Bane executed a man in front of an entire stadium full of people.
#2.) You're overlooking context again. Be realistic here. A terrorist breaks out an entire prison full of hardened criminals. Then, he hands them weapons. Afterwards, he tells them to go out and terrorize Gotham. I'm no expert, but I hardly think that those hardened criminals were dragging people out by their feet only to say "excuse me, sir/madame, your home now belongs to me. Please enjoy the comforts of this brown box."
#3.)Terror isn't only physical. Think about it this way: it's been eight years since The Joker terrorized Gotham. Suddenly, another mad man is threatening to annihilate the entire city with a nuclear weapon and the one man who saved you before is now gone. You're living in a police state where criminals enforce the laws and people are being strung up from bridges just to prove a point.

You're entitled to your opinion, but try to be fair with your judgement, Fabio.

 

[DiFabio]

No Batfan, I can't, Bane sucks.


I'm sure you even agree that the Joker is a much better villain. Don't ya? DON'T YA?


It's not just about "threat levels" either, the Joker has natural charisma. He has better lines. He's a better villain. He accomplishes way more for the plot and the audience than the forgettable Bane. Every second the Joker is on screen, your attention is had. ****ing Bane? Not so much. Then again, early on he probably did have everyone's attention because of that stupid voice. "WTF did he just say?"

 

[The Josh]

One of the things that bothers me about TDKR is I don't feel the need to own it on Blu.

 

[jye4ever]

Joker = Raiders

Talia = KOTCS

Bane = KOTCS chimps

 

[Khev]

I feel like you're under explaining TDKR a bit.
#1.) it's a bit hypocritical to cite how Joker was executing civilians on television in an effort to undermine Bane's credibility, while overlooking the fact that Bane executed a man in front of an entire stadium full of people.
#2.) You're overlooking context again. Be realistic here. A terrorist breaks out an entire prison full of hardened criminals. Then, he hands them weapons. Afterwards, he tells them to go out and terrorize Gotham. I'm no expert, but I hardly think that those hardened criminals were dragging people out by their feet only to say "excuse me, sir/madame, your home now belongs to me. Please enjoy the comforts of this brown box."
#3.)Terror isn't only physical. Think about it this way: it's been eight years since The Joker terrorized Gotham. Suddenly, another mad man is threatening to annihilate the entire city with a nuclear weapon and the one man who saved you before is now gone. You're living in a police state where criminals enforce the laws and people are being strung up from bridges just to prove a point.

You're entitled to your opinion, but try to be fair with your judgement, Fabio.

Yeah, comparing that one televised death of a copycat Batman to the two football teams and mayor that Bane blew up as well as the doctor down on the field before unleashing gun toting murderers to do as they pleased on whomever they pleased is quite silly.

 

[DiFabio]

Are you posting from a third world country where living like a refugee under a lawless tyrant as the US military frantically works to provide supplies as thugs drag people from their homes and murder them on a daily basis is actually a step UP from normal life? Dude, you need to move.

Show me one scene from TDKR that made it seem like this. Bane's "revolution" was a sham. The streets looked pretty damn good for 5 months of "tyranny" and oppression to me. This was supposed to be a disaster/war movie right? Gotham looked clean, it's citizens looked clean. I didn't see people fighting for their lives.


The worst thing that was shown were the special forces being hanged, but those weren't even regular citizens. What were the regular citizens doing? Staying in their homes, praying, eating food, having parties etc. Yeah, wealthy folks got thrown out of their homes, but they weren't murdered. They simply lost their stuff. The business board members were the only ones put on trial for their "crimes" in the kangaroo court.

 

[DiFabio]

Yeah, comparing that one televised death of a copycat Batman to the two football teams and mayor that Bane blew up as well as the doctor down on the field before unleashing gun toting murderers to do as they pleased on whomever they pleased is quite silly.

Just as silly as Talia and Bane's plan with the clean energy turned nuke within that 5 month time frame, which is much larger than Joker's plan.


You seem to be saying that "bigger is better". So I guess since the threats and destruction in the Transformers or GI Joe movies are huge and devastating that makes the villains better and more accomplished?


Transformers bad guy (I don't know his name) > Bane?

Cobra Commander > Bane?

 

[IrishJedi]

One of the things that bothers me about TDKR is I don't feel the need to own it on Blu.

What bothers me is that I own it on Blu but haven't been able to watch it all the way through even once since I got it (I did see it 3 times theatrically, though, including a screening at SDCC).

 

[Khev]

You seem to be saying that "bigger is better".

Yes, a big threat is "better" for drama and excitement than a small threat. Publically murdering a mayor or pro football team is a hell of a lot more terrifying than secretly murdering some random judge or police commissioner.

 

[The Josh]

What bothers me is that I own it on Blu but haven't been able to watch it all the way through even once since I got it (I did see it 3 times theatrically, though, including a screening at SDCC).

Damn that does suck. I saw once during my trilogy showing and just didn't feel like seeing it again. It just left me wanting.