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The Dark Knight Rises *SPOILERS*
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jye4ever
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He beats Batman down, immobilizes him and pins him down. Physically, he kicks his ***. He does it at the party too with some muscle and a well placed shoe knife to the ribs. Isn't that what we were talking about when you said that Bane beat him down? Over powering "beat downs"?
Or are we talking about who "wins"? If that's the case, it isn't so clear cut and dry in The Dark Knight with who won like it is in TDKR where Batman is the clear victor over Talia and Bane. I mean the Joker turned Dent into a bad guy and forced Batman at taking the blame and running away from the cops. Not to mention killed his girl.
What did Bane do? Give him a miss placed vertebra? Borrowed his stuff? Give him a doctor to heal and escape? Get blood on his costume when Bane got blasted by Catwoman?
Talia did more damage.
But see, Joker changes his plan every 5 seconds so what does that matter?
First he wants half the mob's money, then he wants to burn the money. First he wants to kill Batman and Dent, then he doesn't want to kill Batman and Dent. He succeeds. He's completely contradictory in what he sets out to do.
He's like "a dog chasing cars". He's all over the place, his plans have plans. For the most part he accomplishes everything he wants to do.
- Steal the mob's cash
- makes the mob work for him
- kills important authority figures
- thwarts Batman, Dent and Gordon's plans several times
- plans to be held captive, escapes
- kills Batman's girl
- in the process sends Dent off the deep end, proving that someone as good as him would lose it
- messes with Gothamites heads with the hospital threat and makes them lose control
- causes events that leads Batman to break his own rule
- spiritually break down the heroes
The only failure he has in the film is his very last plan where the ferries don't blow up (even though the "innocent" ferry voted to do it and pussed out) and Gotham doesn't realize that Dent killed those people.
He still made Dent turn, Gordon and Batman had to live with that at an expense. Knowing the Joker's character, he'd twist it around and have some other scheme to make it appear he won. For the most part, he does everything he sets out to do from the beginning of the film. Remember, Batman says "The Joker wanted to prove someone as good as you could fall" . . . "and he was right".
Bane? He doesn't kill any of Batman's loved ones, he doesn't kill or cripple Bruce, no one's hope is shattered and the bomb doesn't even go off. Hell, Bruce POUNDED his girl, broke his wittle mask and made him cry, then he gets taken out after being a chump.
Pounded his girl.
That's a mighty fine read there DiFabio.
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He beats Batman down, immobilizes him and pins him down. Physically, he kicks his ***. He does it at the party too with some muscle and a well placed shoe knife to the ribs. Isn't that what we were talking about when you said that Bane beat him down? Over powering "beat downs"?
Or are we talking about who "wins"? If that's the case, it isn't so clear cut and dry in The Dark Knight with who won like it is in TDKR where Batman is the clear victor over Talia and Bane. I mean the Joker turned Dent into a bad guy and forced Batman at taking the blame and running away from the cops. Not to mention killed his girl.
What did Bane do? Give him a miss placed vertebra? Borrowed his stuff? Give him a doctor to heal and escape? Get blood on his costume when Bane got blasted by Catwoman?
Talia did more damage.
Even Scarecrow took out Batman quicker in their first little scuffle.
jye4ever
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Set his hallucinating *** on fire he did.
Now, can we actually just get back to the important stuff in this thread, the fact that The Josh picked TLC over Raiders here, I lost sleep over that one.
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Yup. First 'boss' B'man faced, was sent home crying on the phone to Alfred.
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Set his hallucinating *** on fire he did.
I know, I know, Bane wanted to break his spirit and will as being Gotham's savior, blah, blah, blah.
Can we actually just get back to the important stuff in this thread, the fact that The Josh picked TLC over Raiders here, I lost sleep over that one.
This kid needs intervention, we need to save him, hang on Josh, buddy, we're coming pal.
Sent his *** crying home to Alfred
Let our weapons be the rocks and the trees...and the birds in the sky!
jye4ever
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After Batman got stabbed by Talia, they should've inserted a self healing scene like they did in Predator 1/2.
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I think Difabio needs to "lighten up" 
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I think Difabio needs to "lighten up"
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After Batman got stabbed by Talia, they should've inserted a self healing scene like they did in Predator 1/2.
Having Bruce growl the same way both predators growled when they were in pain
One of the cool things about the Joker is that you really couldn't beat him on a spiritual/emotional level. He was so nuts he didn't really care if his plans succeeded and as he stated he wasn't sure he'd know what to do if his plans actually did succeed.
He was totally fine with getting his brains blown out in the hospital and even after the the ferries didn't blow up and Batman defeated him he found it hysterical that he was apparently plummeting to his death (as opposed to Nicholson Joker who held on to the last finger and then screamed as he fell.)
Bane might have been prepared to die at any given moment as well but it wasn't so obvious. He certainly preached it (like with the guy who had to be sacrificed in the plane at the beginning) but bas he going to kill Bruce (against Talia's orders) at the end because he didn't want to risk Bruce escaping again or did Bane himself have an escape plan for eluding the blast and didn't want to sit around for another 11 minutes and get incinerated? We don't know and can only speculate.
He was totally fine with getting his brains blown out in the hospital and even after the the ferries didn't blow up and Batman defeated him he found it hysterical that he was apparently plummeting to his death (as opposed to Nicholson Joker who held on to the last finger and then screamed as he fell.)
Bane might have been prepared to die at any given moment as well but it wasn't so obvious. He certainly preached it (like with the guy who had to be sacrificed in the plane at the beginning) but bas he going to kill Bruce (against Talia's orders) at the end because he didn't want to risk Bruce escaping again or did Bane himself have an escape plan for eluding the blast and didn't want to sit around for another 11 minutes and get incinerated? We don't know and can only speculate.
jye4ever
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I think Difabio needs to "lighten up"
Gentlemen! Let's broaden our minds. scarecrow jim?
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While I think its a no brainer that Joker is the more substantial, screen-effective and memorable villain, but thats not becouse Bane was weak.
Hardy's character still counts for me as one of the most unique and characteristic superhero movie villains.
He worked as an on-screen persona, becouse of the strong concept behind the character. His rough, facist, pit-bull appearence and style was very evocative for some. Monstrous, but with a subtle, intruiging side. And Hardy had a very strong presence in the film. He dominated his frames, oozing violence and worked in similar way to old-school movie monsters.
The character has a lot going for him. The concept behind him is strong - that of a supervillain terrorist, shoving his boot into eveybody's faces, executing his grandoise plans with ruthless, militaristic precision, while still retaining this comic-book aura of mystery and over-the-top looks with an iconic heavy metal parasite on his face - is very strong. Though some only see the "silly" side of his voice, for many this out-of-place, gipsy way of speaking that seems so at odds with his looks, only added to his effectivnes and intrigue. I also don't think he was "Bob Barkerd" at the end, not that much at least. Talia reveal only took away the pit escape from him. His vibe as a revolutionary taking over cities and toppling goverments is still his.
Also some of the comparisons made between what Joker and what Bane both accomplished, were rather unfair. Joker's exploits were more emotionally effective as part of the movie, but if You want to judge it purely from the practial perspective, what Bane did was much more ambitious. He wasn't as strong movie villain as the Joker, but the same could be said about most.
Hardy's character still counts for me as one of the most unique and characteristic superhero movie villains.
He worked as an on-screen persona, becouse of the strong concept behind the character. His rough, facist, pit-bull appearence and style was very evocative for some. Monstrous, but with a subtle, intruiging side. And Hardy had a very strong presence in the film. He dominated his frames, oozing violence and worked in similar way to old-school movie monsters.
The character has a lot going for him. The concept behind him is strong - that of a supervillain terrorist, shoving his boot into eveybody's faces, executing his grandoise plans with ruthless, militaristic precision, while still retaining this comic-book aura of mystery and over-the-top looks with an iconic heavy metal parasite on his face - is very strong. Though some only see the "silly" side of his voice, for many this out-of-place, gipsy way of speaking that seems so at odds with his looks, only added to his effectivnes and intrigue. I also don't think he was "Bob Barkerd" at the end, not that much at least. Talia reveal only took away the pit escape from him. His vibe as a revolutionary taking over cities and toppling goverments is still his.
Also some of the comparisons made between what Joker and what Bane both accomplished, were rather unfair. Joker's exploits were more emotionally effective as part of the movie, but if You want to judge it purely from the practial perspective, what Bane did was much more ambitious. He wasn't as strong movie villain as the Joker, but the same could be said about most.
jye4ever
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Having Bruce growl the same way both predators growled when they were in pain
He already does that now w/o injuries.
jye4ever
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The new Bale. 
Russell1982
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Holy crap. Wouldn't have recognised him. Wonder if its for a film or just his new look.
intothevoid
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So I see people can't get enough of this film.
Not surprised
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