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[MaulFan]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

It was said/rumored that before Ledger's passing, there was a plan to continue the fate of the Joker into the 3rd film. I just don't think anything but a small reference is really necessary, he shouldn't be out of Arkham because then it means he's a significant factor or should be anyway, and if he's in Arkham, Batman should have more pressing matters to deal with than a locked up criminal, and with Dent and Rachel gone, there shouldn't be any focus on the legal side of justice outside of Gordon

 

[intothevoid]

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I don't know, for some reason, I have this idea in my head that Batman will come up against some other new villain (either Black mask or Penguin) who will have control of the mob and build on the anarchy that Joker created. He will try hard to keep things under control but ultimately will realize that he needs the Joker's help in bringing the mob / this new villain down, some intel from the inside so to speak. And this leads him to pay Joker a visit to get this intel. The Joker's incentive to help batman would be to get back at the mob and to show them who's boss, even from his cell. So Joker gives Batman the info he needs to bring this villain / mob down, and hence, get his redemption. But it would come at some kind of cost (I can't think of what), and that is the twist at the end. In broad terms, that's a story I would be very happy with.

 

[Devil_666]

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Heath gave a great performance, without question, he was very entertaining and all, but there's no need for any significant participation of the Joker in the next film.

I'd like to see him mentioned in some capacity, maybe a comment from Gordon

I find it difficult to believe that Nolan will even bother with the Joker again other than reference.

Honestly.. I don't even think a reference/comment is really necessary. Ra's al Ghul, the main villain from Batman Begins isn't mentioned in The Dark Knight at all. There's a significant time gap between BB and TDK (1 year at least) and I'd imagine Nolan will do that again between TDK and this third film. Hell.. the whole "We'll chase Batman" angle could be concluded by the time the third film opens. Because there's no set time period. Nolan could start this third film like 3 - 5 years after the events of TDK. Who knows.

 

[intothevoid]

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Obviously not reading too much into this yet, but interesting rumours:

Batman 3 to Feature The Riddler Along With Mr. Freeze, Robin and The Penguin Cameos?

10 February 2010 10:00 AM, PST | TheHDRoom | See recent TheHDRoom news »

I must admit, it was originally hard to believe these new Batman 3 "facts" that surfaced recently at ComicBookMovie.com seeing as how we just learned yesterday that the Christopher Nolan, Jonah Nolan and David S. Goyer script for The Dark Knight sequel is now underway. Then again, the timing matches perfectly with the first "fact."

They purportedly come from an anonymous source within Warner Bros. with access to the plot outline. Clear your mind and take a look.

The plot should be outlined in time for the screenwriting to begin in February.

The Riddler is the primary villain and he figures out Batman's identity.

Arkham Asylum will figure prominently in the story.

Several classic villains will cameo, including the Penguin and Mr. Freeze (though as Dr. Fries, not as the supervillain).

Barbara Gordon will have a featured role.

Commissioner Gordon will mention Metropolis and possibly Lex Luthor.

____ Grayson may »

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[CelticPredator]

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Sounds fine to me. Except for the Robin part.....

 

[The Ringer]

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I think Nolan is smart enough to not implement a robin into his Gotham.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

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I think Nolan is smart enough to not implement a robin into his Gotham.

lol...definitely. I don't want the Riddler as the main villain because I'm afraid people will expect something like Jim Carrey's Riddler coming back.

 

[kazukijun]

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No Robin please....batman is still in his early years, he haven't got time to tutor some kid to become the next crime fighting hero.

 

[The Mike]

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Same article type although clears up the Robin part:

UPDATE 2: Possible Batman 3 Plot Details!

An insider source has contacted CBM editor Brent Sprecher with some tantalizing details about the plot for Batman 3!
Okay, okay, you guys know me. I don't normally post articles from sources that are not verifiable, but this news is just too juicy to pass up—and it's impossible for me to validate the news without blowing my source's cover—so here goes...

This news comes from a "plot outliner" (he couldn't or wouldn't tell me his actual title) at Warner Bros. Apparently, before a screenwriter is hired, one or more of these "plot outliners" figure out the basic building blocks of the story—characters, setting, theme, etc.—and then pass it on to the screenwriter to be hammered into the movie script format.

Here are the "facts," as relayed to me by "TT":

1. The plot should be outlined in time for the screenwriting to begin in February.

UPDATE 1: YES

Deadline Hollywood (February 2010)

"Now FlashForward showrunner David Goyer has left with 5 episodes still to shoot. Of course, Goyer's feature career is really heating up, since he co-wrote Batman Begins, and penned the story for The Dark Knight, and is now writing the third Batman installment with Chris Nolan's brother Jonah."

2. The Riddler is the primary villain and he figures out Batman's identity.

3. Arkham Asylum will figure prominently in the story.

4. Several classic villains will cameo, including the Penguin and Mr. Freeze (though as Dr. Fries, not as the supervillain).

5. Barbara Gordon will have a featured role.

6. Commissioner Gordon will mention Metropolis and possibly Lex Luthor.

UPDATE 2: YES (LIKELY)

This news makes the likelihood of a Metropolis and/or Lex Luthor mention far more likely, if not certain:

Deadline Hollywood (February 2010)

"Warner Bros is trying to ready its DC Comics stalwart Superman to soar again on the Big Screen, and the studio has turned to Chris Nolan to mentor development of the movie. Our insiders say that the brains behind rebooted Batman has been asked to play a "godfather" role and ensure The Man Of Steel gets off the ground after a 3 1/2-year hiatus... now [Chris Nolan's] brother and frequent collaborator Jonathan "Jonah" Nolan, and David Goyer who co-wrote and penned the story for The Dark Knight, are off scripting it."

7. ____ Grayson may be in the movie (though probably not as Robin).


Before all of the "haters" start dropping bombs on me, again, I admit that I have not been able to verify this information with a secondary source.

For now, consider it "food for thought." That being said, let the debate commence...

I don't mind seeing Richard Grayson as long as he isn't Robin. Anyway both Nolan and Bale have been quoted as saying no Robin so it's probably a nod to the fans. Nolan will walk after 3 so it might be setting up an open plate for the next director.

 

[MaulFan]

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Two things mentioned ther that I wouldn't care for at all, 1) any tie to Superman would seem like a lame tie in, I know they're both DC and should exist in the same world, but if they're not in the same movie together, I don't think they should be mentioned, if anything, in a movie with them together, make mention of things from their separate films, and 2) Barbara Gordon is an older motherly woman in Nolan's film, not Gordon's daughter, I think it would be kinda lame to have her in any significant role, and Gordon's kids are too young to do anything.

 

[hairlesswookiee]

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^^^Good points and I feel the same about Superman at this point. I don't mind Metropolis being mentioned, but I still have nightmares about Superman Returns so I don't want any of that mess crapping up my Batman movies.

 

[MaulFan]

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They can do it as a hidden scene at the end of the movie, I'd be ok with that, I just wouldn't want it to be in the meat of the movie and relevant story, it would feel forced I think.

 

[The Mike]

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*Cracks Knuckles

Two things mentioned ther that I wouldn't care for at all, 1) any tie to Superman would seem like a lame tie in, I know they're both DC and should exist in the same world, but if they're not in the same movie together, I don't think they should be mentioned, if anything, in a movie with them together, make mention of things from their separate films

DC is dying to match Marvel in their crossovers. Seeing Tony Stark appear in The Incredible Hulk and with the cameos planned to be spread out over all Marvel films to create that continuity DC wants to capitalize. The original scripts for The Green Lantern had a cameo from Clark Kent written in at Ferris Aircraft. The only reason it was written out is because of the disarray with the Superman franchise. There is a rumors that Wayne Enterprises will appear similar to Stark Industries appearing as a marker (remember in Hulk? The cryotube was made by Stark Industries). The Super Soldier program was mentioned and used. SHIELD has been mentioned. All things that don't mesh with either Iron Man (in his origins) or Hulk yet didn't feel forced. I don't think it will here either if done right and Nolan has shown he can do things right.

I think its the first step to having what Marvel had simply because other than Batman they have no one else to dip into. Once the GL, Flash, Wonder Woman and rebooted Superman come into the mix I think you'll actually see them appear with each other.

and 2) Barbara Gordon is an older motherly woman in Nolan's film, not Gordon's daughter, I think it would be kinda lame to have her in any significant role, and Gordon's kids are too young to do anything.

Well maybe not....Barbara Gordon is his wife but also his daughter, she is named after his wife in certain continuties, so they might not be referring to Babs the wife but Babs the daughter. In TDK Barbara (the kid) is 9, at least by actress age, depending on how much time has passed in the TDK world she'd be older. Real time she'd be 12 by 2012, who knows what they'll have pass in Bats3. In All-Star Batman and Robin, Barbara Gordon is a Batman groupie who creates her own costume and goes out fighting not related to Batman at all, gets arrested for it and creates an interesting plot device to how much Batman is becoming a symbol for Gotham....it could be a device here depending on how they age Barbara in the third.

Then again I really hope it isn't his wife because logically she wouldn't make sense to be involved since even in faking his death Jim has kept her in the dark with everything.

 

[MaulFan]

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That's why I said make the Superman tie in like a hidden scene, which the Stark cameo in Hulk was meant to be and what the Sam Jackson cameo in Iron Man is. It serves the purpose but it doesn't take away from the main film focusing on the character.

As for Barbara, I thought Gordon only had 2 kids in Nolan's films, in Begins there was a child and a baby in a high chair when Batman visits Gordon's house.

I'm sure a lot of this is just rumor or random tossed around ideas. Until Nolan and team finish the story, I'm not investing much in this movie, other than things I hope it will be.

 

[The Mike]

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In Begins, through the window, Gordon's wife was nursing the two-year-old child. In The Dark Knight, Gordon's daughter is older, and listed in the credits as simply "Gordon's daughter". She ages literally 7 years between the two films.

 

[MaulFan]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

They took some big liberties with the kids apparently, since only a year's passed since Begins.

 

[Agent23]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

I'm hoping that they show Ledger / Joker briefly in Arkham and move on. I really want them to leave the character alone right now.

I'm hoping for the Riddler and played by Johnny Depp (like the rumors suggest).

 

[MaulFan]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

I love Johnny Depp as an actor, but I just can't see him in the Nolan universe. Even in his darker roles, his style just doesn't seem the right fit for the types of villains in Nolan's films.

 

[The Mike]

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I think Depp would overshadow the rest of the films personally. I'd rather if they were going for an established actor that they use someone who'd blend instead of someone who would be the main focus.

 

[Darth Madden]

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I love Johnny Depp as an actor, but I just can't see him in the Nolan universe. Even in his darker roles, his style just doesn't seem the right fit for the types of villains in Nolan's films.

Nobody could see a gay cowboy in the Nolan universe either but that worked out well. I think Depp would be a great pick.