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[MaulFan]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

The trouble with assessing anyone for casting is, Nolan has his visions for these characters, I'm sure his take on Joker isn't what many were expecting it to be, and maybe if people knew when Ledger was cast, they might not have thought the same about it, but people probably figured Heath playing like Jack Nicholson or some other interpretation of Joker, and he probably would have been the wrong choice for that.

Nolan will cast whoever's best suited to his vision of the character, whether they're a big name or an unknown. Whoever he chooses, I'll trust his judgement.

The notion of Depp and Riddler, I have a hard grasp with right now, but then based on my references for the Riddler, I can't even imagine that character in Nolan's universe. I'm sure whatever villain or villains he chooses, their characters will be shaped to fit his world. I'd like to see him do someone like Mr. Freeze just to see how they tackle the subject. Joker, Ra's, Scarecrow, Riddler, they're all basically just men, with Freeze's unique features, fitting him into the realistic approach Nolan's taking with these films could lead to an interesting interpretation.

 

[Darth Madden]

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I agree that he will cast exactly to how the character is in his mind and I'm not worried about it at all (He has been perfect so far.) I am just so glad he chose the realistic universe for these movies and every time someone mentions Mr Freeze it makes me even more happy because that showing my Arnold was one of the most pathetic things I have ever tortured my eyes with.

 

[MaulFan]

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One of the comments I often make talking about Nolan's Batmans with friends, and what I think makes them work so well, is that he treats them almost like a non-comic film. You've got a rogue hero taking down crime against the mob and a few loose canon rogue villains. He doesn't get caught in adhering to the fact that the roots are a comic book, he finds a way to apply comic book character traits to more real world people. To me, that's a successful recipe for comic films, approach them like a film just about real world type characters and just apply the character traits as it fit. To me, the movies that get too caught up in the source being a comic end up getting into the campier realm. Tim Burton's one of the few directors of comic films to adhere to a more comic book presentation of the subject without going campy, and then you have the complete opposite end of the spectrum with Schumacher who basically made Adam West Batman with better budget.

 

[Preshea]

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Not sure how many would agree, but I would like to see Clayface come to life in Nolan's style. I think it be an easy task with cg effeects these days and I really liked that character form the animated cartoon. I love what Nolan has done with the first 2 films and I enjoy the realistic "non-over the top" approach he's taken ( what Maulfan said ) but yet, I'd also like to see him push that envelope a little with great villian like Clayface. To me, he's just as cool and appealing as any of Batmans classic villians.

 

[Darklord Dave]

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This news comes from a "plot outliner" (he couldn't or wouldn't tell me his actual title) at Warner Bros. Apparently, before a screenwriter is hired, one or more of these "plot outliners" figure out the basic building blocks of the story—characters, setting, theme, etc.—and then pass it on to the screenwriter to be hammered into the movie script format.

I don't believe a word of that "rumor" because of the above. Sure some low level executives might have done an outline, but there is no way that Nolan and company would adhere to it if it didn't suit their vision.

Bale has said that he wouldn't appear in a Batman film with Robin in it.

 

[MaulFan]

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I just hope that Bale, Oldman, Freeman and Caine return to reprise their roles. As much as I love Nolan Batman, if all the actors that make the movies so enjoyable weren't back, it'd start to lose some appeal, I wouldn't boycott it, but it wouldn't be the same, those 4 have all made their marks as those characters. Katie Holmes was a replacable actress, so while continuity was lost, performance wasn't.

 

[Devil_666]

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I think the best way to tie the Batman/Superman franchises together would be a scene after the credits (like MaulFan suggested) where you see Bruce Wayne at a press conference announcing whatever (Wayne Enterprises expanding, etc.) and when he's done with his announcement he asks "Any questions?". And as all the reporters are screaming (like usual) to get their questions in Bruce singles out one.

When that reporter stands he says "Clark Kent, The Daily Planet. Do you have any plans to expand your operations into Metropolis?"

And the last shot is Bruce Wayne with a slight grin saying "Definitely".

Short and simple. I think it would be horrible to show Batman meeting Superman in-costume. THAT would be hokey as all hell imo.

Only question is: Does Warner Bros. want Brandon Routh to continue on as Superman? I know his contract expired and after the announcement that the WB wanted to reboot the franchise yet again with a darker tone (like Batman) I never saw Brandon Routh's name mentioned!?

 

[cr`]

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havent read all the posts in this thread yet, but i thought i'd throw in my take:

- joker WILL be back. if batman 2 was nolan's heat/zodiac, batman 3 will be his silence of the lamb/manhunter.

- title will be 'gotham knight' or 'batman triumphant'. both titles tie with the two previous titles in one nice dramatic arch.

- nolan likes to work with the same actors. and the cast of inception reads like the audition for the bat's rogue gallery. i will not at all be surprised to see marrion as catwoman, ellen page as harley quinn, gordon levitt as joker, or even dicaprio as riddler. if anyone of these actors impressed the hell out of nolan in inception, best bet is nolan will have a part for him/her in bat 3.

 

[Darth Vader]

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This is how the casting SHOULD be
Riddler- Michael C. Hall

He would do a great job as any villian in nolan's batman universe but he would be an amazing Riddler

 

[MaulFan]

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I've only ever seen Cotillard in Public Enemies, so I have no idea what she could bring to the Batman world, that character had a tougher side but for the most part, it was the love struck damsel type of character.

Ellen Page can act I'm sure, but she's got too much of a 12 year old girl look to her with her face and her physical size, I find it hard to take her as an adult.

DiCaprio's probably already committed to something else unless Nolan started talking to him long ago about the idea to keep him from signing on, he's such a big name right now I'm sure he's lined up for other projects, he'll have Shutter Island and Inception out in the same year.

 

[cr`]

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I've only ever seen Cotillard in Public Enemies, so I have no idea what she could bring to the Batman world, that character had a tougher side but for the most part, it was the love struck damsel type of character.

Ellen Page can act I'm sure, but she's got too much of a 12 year old girl look to her with her face and her physical size, I find it hard to take her as an adult.

DiCaprio's probably already committed to something else unless Nolan started talking to him long ago about the idea to keep him from signing on, he's such a big name right now I'm sure he's lined up for other projects, he'll have Shutter Island and Inception out in the same year.

cottilard won an oscar just recently in 'la vie en rose'. see that instead if you want to see the depth of her acting. ellen page's body type is suitable for harley quinn, and she's a great actress. dicaprio can do anything he wants at this stage of his career, even if that means dropping out of projects to accommodate working with nolan.

not saying they're shoe for bat 3, but the possibility are there. and knowing nolan's knack for working with the same actors, i'd say the possibility is strong indeed.

 

[MaulFan]

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Yeah, Nolan's like Adam Sandler in regards to bringing back the same actors and actresses in his films, but not because they're friends, but because they have talent

 

[Maglor]

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havent read all the posts in this thread yet, but i thought i'd throw in my take:

- joker WILL be back. if batman 2 was nolan's heat/zodiac, batman 3 will be his silence of the lamb/manhunter.

- title will be 'gotham knight' or 'batman triumphant'. both titles tie with the two previous titles in one nice dramatic arch.

- nolan likes to work with the same actors. and the cast of inception reads like the audition for the bat's rogue gallery. i will not at all be surprised to see marrion as catwoman, ellen page as harley quinn, gordon levitt as joker, or even dicaprio as riddler. if anyone of these actors impressed the hell out of nolan in inception, best bet is nolan will have a part for him/her in bat 3.

I am intrigued by this... tell me more.


Were is this info from?


(I am not up to speed on this thread either.)

 

[Maglor]

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Wow, he really could pull it off in terms of appearance...

..would remain to be seen if he could clime inside of the character that Heath created.

 

[Devil_666]

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I think the dude from Sons of Anarchy looks more like Heath than that goofy twat.

 

[The Mike]

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Only question is: Does Warner Bros. want Brandon Routh to continue on as Superman? I know his contract expired and after the announcement that the WB wanted to reboot the franchise yet again with a darker tone (like Batman) I never saw Brandon Routh's name mentioned!?

So far they've remained mum. BUT if they are focusing on the word "reboot" then that means clean slate. No Routh, no Spacey, no Bosworth. They'll want a mental enema for the audiences and come to it fresh. I guarantee you this. If The Avengers film hits big seeing all the various characters together in costume and works on a real level and not a cheesy level, then you'll see DC follow suit fast. Superman has cameo'd in plenty of Batstories and vice versa. It wouldn't be difficult to do and make it believable and non-intrusive. Imagine it...Bruce walks into the Batcave and Alfred asks how he plans to get some tool from somewhere far away and he says "I have my connections." Suddenly a whoosh and in the waterfall area walks through Superman in full costume carrying said huge item. He walks in and places it down and says

"Bruce I have pressing matters in Metropolis are you sure you can handle (insert villain's name here) on your own?"

Bruce looks over his shoulder and says "I don't need your help boy scout."

Superman says nothing and flies out. Alfred walks over and says "You know sir, picking at someone who can bend steel may not be the best course of action" to which Bruce replies "I have enough on the alien but he'll have to wait for another day." and continues on.

Obviously the dialogue would be better written by a professional but its a quick cameo done in continuity without an after the credits thing which is kind of cheesy in itself, that wouldn't impede on the main character of the story. You could do that with a ton of characters...

 

[-jay-]

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I think the dude from Sons of Anarchy looks more like Heath than that goofy twat.

Nice

Do you mean Jax?

 

[cr`]

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not saying they're shoe for bat 3, but the possibility are there.

what the hell is "shoe"??? i meant shoe in.

I am intrigued by this... tell me more.
Were is this info from?

nothing but a hunch.

@Devil_666: see some of the goofy twat's serious films. i was not a fan of his either, but give him a chance and he'll make a believer out of you. besides, if he's good enough for nolan then he's good enough for me.

 

[Devil_666]

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Do you mean Jax?

Yeah.. that's him.

see some of the goofy twat's serious films. i was not a fan of his either, but give him a chance and he'll make a believer out of you.

Nothing against his acting, I thought he was great in The Lookout and Brick. Had to call him something though.

 

[blakus939]

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This is how the casting SHOULD be
Riddler- Michael C. Hall

He would do a great job as any villian in nolan's batman universe but he would be an amazing Riddler

Talk about a curveball, but i do agree, fantastic actor. I want to see some contemporary type, him, or giovanni rubisi, jeremy davies, Johnny depp or just, someone unexpected, ala Heath. REAL talent.
I reckon, or rather, HOPE, most of that stuff is BS. The only thing i care for is Riddler figuring out batmans' identity
Also, i am not understanding, all this (past especially), encouragement for cottillard as catwoman. Really, i've only seen her in Public Enemies also myself, and she was in some, french film, that was nominated and/or won some award, and all of a sudden, she is supposed to be handed some semi-lead role just for the sake of who she is? This is the nolanverse guys, the REAL world batman, she doesn't even have the right accent!