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[cr`]

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Also, i am not understanding, all this (past especially), encouragement for cottillard as catwoman. Really, i've only seen her in Public Enemies also myself, and she was in some, french film, that was nominated and/or won some award, and all of a sudden, she is supposed to be handed some semi-lead role just for the sake of who she is? This is the nolanverse guys, the REAL world batman, she doesn't even have the right accent!

you think she's not worthy but you've only seen her in public enemies??

if she's cast at all, it'lll be precisely because of her talent, not because of "who she is", whatever that means. and her accent? what the hell are you talking about? surely you know by now that neither bale nor heath are americans, right? one is a brit, another was an aussie. a great actor/actress will have no problem doing accents.

 

[The Entity]

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I think Marion Cotillard isn't a bad idea at all. I could see her being cast as Catwoman...
I've seen her in the French movies: Taxi 1, 2 and 3, in Big Fish and in Ridley Scott's A Good Year.

I think she could definitely play the part of Catwoman.

To those who doubt, I'd say watch the Taxi movies and A Good Year and see she isn't just a damsel in distress... She's not exactly Catwoman either but it might give you an idea

 

[LordAzrael]

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and her accent? what the hell are you talking about? surely you know by now that neither bale nor heath are americans, right? one is a brit, another was an aussie. a great actor/actress will have no problem doing accents.

The director of House though Hugh Laurie was a yank when he first met him. You're talking about actors - they act.

I think alot of americans would be surprised by how many big stars don't have an american accent in real life.

 

[cr`]

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come to think of it, we all should thank the brits for making batman what he is today. sure it's an iconic american character, but it's really the brits that have elevated the character to such prominence.

frank miller is a brit(his DKR is still the best bat book ever made). alan moore is a brit(his killing joke is still the best joker story). nolan is a brit(burton who?). and the best batman to date is played by a brit. shame on the american writers/directors for not realizing the character's full potential.

 

[blakus939]

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you think she's not worthy but you've only seen her in public enemies??

if she's cast at all, it'lll be precisely because of her talent, not because of "who she is", whatever that means. and her accent? what the hell are you talking about? surely you know by now that neither bale nor heath are americans, right? one is a brit, another was an aussie. a great actor/actress will have no problem doing accents.

Ahhhhh that's precisely what i'm saying. She doesn't have the right accent, as in, she doesnt have it in her. A good actor or actress can pull off accents of course. She, as of this moment, cannot, bar her original dialect

''and the best batman to date is played by a brit. shame on the american writers/directors for not realizing the character's full potential. ''
Very arguably. What about Keaton and the original? It was that (or those 2?) movies that sparked the modern generation and revelation of Batman. Whose to say, people would still be talking about it, or that we would even have had BB and TDK without those movies paving the way?

 

[cr`]

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Ahhhhh that's precisely what i'm saying. She doesn't have the right accent, as in, she doesnt have it in her. A good actor or actress can pull off accents of course. She, as of this moment, cannot, bar her original dialect

"A good actor or actress can pull off accents of course." la vie en rose. oscar for best actress. she's also in nolan's inception, so apparently nolan thinks she's a great actress as well.

What about Keaton and the original? It was that (or those 2?) movies that sparked the modern generation and revelation of Batman. Whose to say, people would still be talking about it, or that we would even have had BB and TDK without those movies paving the way?

the burton's batman is a cartoon. nowhere near as silly as the adam west's show, but it's nowhere near as gritty or as intelligent as what's in the pages of miller's books either. if anything nolan bypassed the burton's films and went straight to the source(and by source i meant the miller's version). but you're right, we should give credit to burton for paving the way for nolan's bat, just like we should then credit the old adam west's show for paving the way for burton's bat. no sarcasm intended there.

 

[MaulFan]

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I have to agree on the accent thing, I'm amazed at how significantly actors and actresses can change their voices with the right dialogue coach.

Great example, Hugh Jackman, look at him in interviews minus the makeup and hearing his natural voice and it is really hard to imagine him delivering a badass Wolverine, but a little voice work and some crazy facial hair and he transformed and pulled it off beautifully.

I still remember the first time I heard Bale speak, all the roles I've ever seen him in are devoid of his accent, I didn't even realize he wasn't American until I started watching behind the scenes information on Batman Begins.

Accent's no reason to toss out any actor or actress, it can mean extra work to get them to fit the part, but if they've got strong attributes in their acting ability it's worth seening what you can do about their voices.

 

[Maglor]

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I think the dude from Sons of Anarchy looks more like Heath than that goofy twat.

Kind of harsh man... and I didn't know we could use the word "twat"...

The Sons of Anarchy guy kind of has the more "hunky" characteristics of Heath whereas the "goofy twat" has some of the more quirky characteristics. If you put them together you'd have Heath, but the quirkiness is more important than the hunkyness when it comes to the Joker.


It's kind of funny, until now I hadn't even considered the possibility of recasting the Joker, but why not?

 

[MaulFan]

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The why not recast Joker answer is simple in my book, because he doesn't need to come back. If this were a TV series, I'd say recast him because in an ongoing story, the Joker's a key part of the Batman world. Where the movie stories are finite, and in a way, Nolan's trilogy will be like a complete story, I think it's necessary to move forward and on and not cling to past characters from other films unless it's really tied to the Batman character, which Joker is not, he ____ed up Bruce's life, but it's not a permanent connection, you can keep telling the story without the Joker.

 

[Maglor]

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True indeed.

I wonder what Nolan's intent was... I had the impression that he meant to bring the Joker back for the third movie when Heath was alive.

For me, I will see the movie with or without Joker.

 

[MaulFan]

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I heard a rumor that somehow, the Joker would be on trial or something to that effect in the 3rd act. I just think there's enough story to not need him in this movie.

Right out the gate, we're going into this movie with Batman facing tough times, he's now a wanted criminal, that'll be challenging enough for him, and bring in a new villain to add more challenge and that'll be enough.

I think more Joker-like villains popping up, meaning the super villains and not just mobsters, is a good way to keep the Joker's mess going. Batman's actions with the mob was a catalyst for the Joker to really rise up, now it's natural that the Joker's rise give way for other dimented folks. The Joker can continue to have an effect on Batman's world without showing up in it. Of course, that takes a bit of brain activity and I'm sure many movie goers won't have the mind to think that way and need to have Joker show up on screen to think he's still affecting Batman's world.

 

[The Mike]

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I wonder what Nolan's intent was... I had the impression that he meant to bring the Joker back for the third movie when Heath was alive.

The original plan was to have The Joker fold into the third similar to the way the Scarecrow folded into The Dark Knight only more prominent. Of course originally the details were that Two-Face was going to be the main villain in the third and that obviously didn't happen. So who ultimately knows but Nolan has said that before Heath's passing he had an idea of him continuing forward but not as the main villain. The Joker was supposed to be the catalyst to bring out the eccentric Rogues, the showing of how much infamy they could achieve with an alter-ego. I think that can still be achieved but would have been more evident with him still running around.

 

[MaulFan]

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One thing I want to see in this movie too, but I don't know if they'll do it, is to see Batman get his ass kicked. So far, Nolan's Batman hasn't really been physically beat up, the cut from the dogs and some bruises, but I want him beat to the point where you wonder how can he go on, something we haven't seen since Batman 1989.

 

[Devil_666]

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One thing I want to see in this movie too, but I don't know if they'll do it, is to see Batman get his ass kicked. So far, Nolan's Batman hasn't really been physically beat up, the cut from the dogs and some bruises, but I want him beat to the point where you wonder how can he go on, something we haven't seen since Batman 1989.

That's why I wanted to have a realistic Nolan-version of Bane in the third movie. Just a big ass wrestler, using roids or something who absolutely stomps Batman. And because Batman is on the run and considered a murder, instead of fear, people end up LOVING Bane for it. Which would feed his ego. It could also lead into Batman needing an upgraded suit (so he could start with the TDK suit and then end with the new suit). iunno.

 

[MaulFan]

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I don't think it's a matter of needing a character that can whoop his ass. Joker beat him with a pipe. I think it's just a matter of not treating him like the suit makes him almost invincible. All you need is something like in '89, have him totally crash the Batpod to an explosion point or something. Heck, even Ra's men beating on him in Begins could have drawn some blood. I think they've just been staying away from going there and I wish they wouldn't, I think it makes the hero pressing on that much more powerful when they're hurting. In '89, he could hardly walk straight, he was beat to hell, but he stilled climbed the stairs, continued to get his ass handed to him, and still kept pressing on.

 

[jedibear]

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I'm just happy to hear Nolan's finally up to something for the third flick...

 

[Buttmunch]

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I still think Black Mask would be a good villian to use, or at least for the mob bad guy. Him wearing a mask would show the effect the Joker left on the mob. Now they are dressing up and causing trouble. But I doubt him being a lesser known bad guy could carry the film alone. So we'd definately need a more known bad guy as the main villian.

I actually quite like the idea of Joker being a Hannibal type character in this though. It would at least continue to develop Batman's relationship with him.

 

[DarthNeil]

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I still think Black Mask would be a good villian to use, or at least for the mob bad guy. Him wearing a mask would show the effect the Joker left on the mob. Now they are dressing up and causing trouble. But I doubt him being a lesser known bad guy could carry the film alone. So we'd definately need a more known bad guy as the main villian.

I actually quite like the idea of Joker being a Hannibal type character in this though. It would at least continue to develop Batman's relationship with him.

For a villain to carry a film you're really only talking about two remaining choices (that the general public would recognize): the Riddler and Two-Face.

Personally I don't think either one is the best choice (unless the Penguin's a mob boss as recent comics have played him and the name is just a nickname-- forget the gadgte umbrellas or the quacking).

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

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For a villain to carry a film you're really only talking about two remaining choices (that the general public would recognize): the Riddler and Two-Face.

Personally I don't think either one is the best choice (unless the Penguin's a mob boss as recent comics have played him and the name is just a nickname-- forget the gadgte umbrellas or the quacking).

the penguin was born that way

 

[blakus939]

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I have to agree on the accent thing, I'm amazed at how significantly actors and actresses can change their voices with the right dialogue coach.

Great example, Hugh Jackman, look at him in interviews minus the makeup and hearing his natural voice and it is really hard to imagine him delivering a badass Wolverine, but a little voice work and some crazy facial hair and he transformed and pulled it off beautifully.

I still remember the first time I heard Bale speak, all the roles I've ever seen him in are devoid of his accent, I didn't even realize he wasn't American until I started watching behind the scenes information on Batman Begins.

Accent's no reason to toss out any actor or actress, it can mean extra work to get them to fit the part, but if they've got strong attributes in their acting ability it's worth seening what you can do about their voices.

True, but it's purely personal opinion on my part. Ie, how so many people are applauding sam worthington's performance in avatar. I can't stand it, the fact that he can't hold a properly decent yank accent for more than 3 seconds is horrendous, and it just isnt believable. An actor is supposed to make the audience believe what they are doing is unquestionably authentic. But does he pass off as an ex marine with an Aussie accent every 3 seconds? In my book, nope, it's amateurish, and brings down no matter however decent an actual acting performance is given. I dunno just my 2c.
Btw dont get me wrong cr, i LOVE marion cottillard, great actress, just nowhere near catwoman material and flawless generic american accents in my book, not YET anyway.