The Dark Knight Rises ***USE SPOILER TAGS***

[MaulFan]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

I also think with Nolan, Batman's path is figured out first for the film, and villains chosen that best serve that.

Begins, Bruce's path was to become Batman, Ra's made for a good combination of the mentor and the nemesis, and Scarecrow was fitting for the nature of Ra's plan with the fear toxin.

TDK was about taking Batman from wanting to change things to having to face that it wouldn't be as simple as getting things started and walking away, that once becoming Batman, he couldn't stop, and the Joker was the perfect villain for teaching that lesson, and Two-Face's handling furthering it. The Joker was the ultimate sign that in Gotham now, new threats will rise that can't be easily overcome, but Gotham needs a hero to stop them. Two-Face perfectly captured that even the most shining white knight out there could not withstand a threat like the Joker, but Batman realized he can and needed to.

Without knowing what path Bruce's life will be taking in this next one, it's hard to say who the best villain will be, but I expect the choice(s) will revolve around whoever best supports the Bruce/Batman story.

 

[Maglor]

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Without knowing what path Bruce's life will be taking in this next one, it's hard to say who the best villain will be, but I expect the choice(s) will revolve around whoever best supports the Bruce/Batman story.

That and maintaining the realism are the two main issues in picking the next/last [?] villain.

 

[The Mike]

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I would say that the new path is easily "Redemption" putting him back as Gotham's hero. So whatever villain will help there will probably be the trick.

 

[MaulFan]

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Well redemption isn't so much a path as the final destination, I'm sure you could come up with dozens of ways to craft his redemption based on where Begins and TDK led to.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

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He was just a great actor, his portrayal of Mickey was as integral to the heart of the Rocky films as Stallone.

OK.

I never knew that he was Mickey in Rocky. Can clearly see that now though.

 

[Batfreak]

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People said the same thing about Nicholson's Joker.

IMO ledger has not topped nicholsons joker. interesting and certainly a different interpretation, not bad, but for me nowhere close to nicholson.

 

[MaulFan]

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OK.

I never knew that he was Mickey in Rocky. Can clearly see that now though.

Really, I'm a little surprised just because his voice seems so signature to me, even in his older years when he was in the Grumpy Men movies. Guess you're just too distracted by Kaley, of course I am too.

 

[blakus939]

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I believe he was referring to the Burton idea of the Penguin. I guarantee you that he isn't above using a villain used in any previous Bat film but that he'll only consider them if they can be given a realistic take.

Makes sense. A realistic penguin, while a pshycotic riddler tries to reveal Bruce's indentity could really work well imho

 

[MaulFan]

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One thing I don't like about the notion of the villain knowing Batman's identity is with a villain it feels like they'd have to die to stop them from saying it, or something dramatic happen to discredit their words and I'm for not killing off more villains. Even though this is likely to be a trilogy, I think the characters should be handled as if this would be a comic series, leave these villains out there as a lingering threat, just stopped in some way for now, but not permanently.

 

[cr`]

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Never know who'll show up in Nolan Batman, even though it was a smaller screen time part, I was surprised to see Eric Roberts in TDK, not a bad choice, just surprised as I hadn't heard of him doing much in the past few years, but I think it shows Nolan will seek out who's best for his vision, no matter where they fall in Hollywood.

one b-movie star in one minor role is a prerequisite in nolan's bat films. rutget hauer in bat 1, eric roberts in bat 2. i suspect we'll see another in bat 3.

One thing I don't like about the notion of the villain knowing Batman's identity is with a villain it feels like they'd have to die to stop them from saying it, or something dramatic happen to discredit their words and I'm for not killing off more villains. Even though this is likely to be a trilogy, I think the characters should be handled as if this would be a comic series, leave these villains out there as a lingering threat, just stopped in some way for now, but not permanently.

knowing the bat's identity doesnt have to mean a death sentence. you can always go the jim carrey's riddler route - turn him insane and lock him in arkham. but really, i think films just have to be bigger than the comic series. that's just the nature of the medium, otherwise why bother to do it in film at all? and if nolan is only to do 3 bat films(let's face reality now, after bat 3 the pendulum is going to start to swing back to the suckage side again), i'd say let's consider everything, even if that means killing some major villains. comic book's continuity can go on forever, but for film it just needs to last for 3 films. just make it counts.

 

[MaulFan]

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Yeah, but Nolan's Batman films end with things open, starting a new adventure, whether a follow up is told or not. Yes Two-Face died, but Joker lives on and will continue to be a threat for Batman. I think it would be more interesting if the next movie leaves you with a sense that more is to come for Batman, sure we can just assume he'll keep fighting, but I think it'd be a nice break from the path movies usually take if like TDK, they wrap up the story of the film, but also leave things that open up the imagination to what could carry on from there. Once Nolan's done, the next director will likely bring their own spin, so why not end the Nolan trilogy with a sense of where Nolan's Batman will go beyond the movies.

You could do something like Riddler in Batman Forever, but that was such a cheesy story path and I'm not sure how you could believably do something like that, have someone lose their mind so much they think they're Batman or some rediculous answer besides the truth.

 

[cr`]

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Yeah, but Nolan's Batman films end with things open, starting a new adventure, whether a follow up is told or not. Yes Two-Face died, but Joker lives on and will continue to be a threat for Batman. I think it would be more interesting if the next movie leaves you with a sense that more is to come for Batman, sure we can just assume he'll keep fighting, but I think it'd be a nice break from the path movies usually take if like TDK, they wrap up the story of the film, but also leave things that open up the imagination to what could carry on from there. Once Nolan's done, the next director will likely bring their own spin, so why not end the Nolan trilogy with a sense of where Nolan's Batman will go beyond the movies.

i'm with you there. i dont want the bat to hang up his costume by the end of film 3, i'm just not discounting killing off major villains in nolan's films. i thought dent's final fate in TDK is just right. so i trust nolan in deciding the ultimate fate for his characters, be it dead or alive.

You could do something like Riddler in Batman Forever, but that was such a cheesy story path and I'm not sure how you could believably do something like that, have someone lose their mind so much they think they're Batman or some rediculous answer besides the truth.

cheesy in one director hand doesnt have to be cheesy in another as well. a villain could learn the bat's identity and be accidentally exposed to, i dont know... high dose of scarecrow's neurotoxin for example, and went bat____ insane. even if he's spouting off the name bruce wayne, no one is going to take the guy seriously. btw, now the entire mob and the police are going to come down hard on that reese guy that almost spilled the bean on national tv. it's the one loose thread i cant wait to see unfolds in the next film.

 

[chalkyYT]

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i like the idea of the riddler trying to solve the riddle of 'who is the batman', and in turn creating his own riddles for batman for the ultimate battle of wits.
but seeing as bats is now on the run the obvious choice could be some1 like deadshot, hired to take him out by the mob? his story reflects bruces so theres a symmetry that nolan may like.

but more important is how nolan will include the shark repellant spray!

 

[LoneWolf]

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I would like the "ruthless & unforgiving" version of Penguin for the 3rd film. With Batman becoming a vigilante, the police will be too busy hunting him, and would not notice that a new crime power is rising (Penguin). If it's not going to be Phillip Seymour-Hoffman, then I'm not for it.

 

[intothevoid]

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Whether it's the Penguin or Black Mask or Riddler or any combination of these - the real challenge for Nolan and co. will really be how can they match let alone top the beast that was TDK. Even matching BB which I rate aaalmost as high as TDK would be a massive achievement.

 

[MaulFan]

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I personally see Batman Begins and TDK as equal in film quality, but very different in story and I understand why TDK is the more popular. I don't think any Nolan Batman film could ever be as popular as TDK, the Joker is just a very successful villain for Batman films, and TDK heavily revolved around that character. Begins focused more on Batman himself and was more about story than events so it was probably slower and more boring for some people. I have every confidence that the third act will be as well made as the first 2, but I won't be surprised if commercially it doesn't do as well as TDK.

 

[Les Walker]

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I prefer BB to DK in tone and story, but can see why DK is so well loved. I just hope part 3 is totally different from both of those. I would love three completely independent, and yet co-existing movies, that serve each other as well as stand alone. Here's to hoping Nolan will just deliver one great movie. That's all I ask. And with, for one, a true, solid Batman, instead of Bruce learning. It's time to open the can of whoopass now. Enough new suits. Move back in Wayne Manor. Open up the Batcave, introduce THE CAR, and whatever new suit he's wearing, and go fight crime! Enough confusion...Time to rock and BE the Bat!

I hope Nolan will surpass the first two.

 

[Sweet Rabbit]

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I prefer BB to DK in tone and story, but can see why DK is so well loved. I just hope part 3 is totally different from both of those. I would love three completely independent, and yet co-existing movies, that serve each other as well as stand alone. Here's to hoping Nolan will just deliver one great movie. That's all I ask. And with, for one, a true, solid Batman, instead of Bruce learning. It's time to open the can of whoopass now. Enough new suits. Move back in Wayne Manor. Open up the Batcave, introduce THE CAR, and whatever new suit he's wearing, and go fight crime! Enough confusion...Time to rock and BE the Bat!

that's what I want to see

 

[eighthsamurai]

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with the sepia tone of BB, and the slightly lighter "city" colours of TDK, i hope they go for a more black/white palette for this one. kinda like batman returns. would love to see more rooftops and alleys too. might be fitting if he's still on the run and could fit in well with a catwoman "tempted to discard the people he protects that hate him" storyline. and maybe a darker riddler too questioning batman's raisins d'etre. but sinister a la hush.

also, it's been confirmed.... there will be NO BAT-SHARK REPELLANT in the 3rd movie. once again, NO BAT-SHARK REPELLANT. sorry to disappoint.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

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also, it's been confirmed.... there will be NO BAT-SHARK REPELLANT in the 3rd movie. once again, NO BAT-SHARK REPELLANT. sorry to disappoint.

THAT......has ruined my night.