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CGI!
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CGI!
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I still don't get how something that looks fake because it is clearly a model is any better than something that looks fake because it is computer generated. I think we've just been used to seeing models from the time we started watching movies and CGI is something new we're not used to.
I still don't get how something that looks fake because it is clearly a model is any better than something that looks fake because it is computer generated. I think we've just been used to seeing models from the time we started watching movies and CGI is something new we're not used to.
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Because when there is a model, it is real. Its an actual, 3 dimensional object that behaves the way physics say it should. Sure there is such a thing as bad modeling in movies, but when it is done well having an actual object there always looks better than a close attempt at rendering one.
Because when there is a model, it is real. Its an actual, 3 dimensional object that behaves the way physics say it should. Sure there is such a thing as bad modeling in movies, but when it is done well having an actual object there always looks better than a close attempt at rendering one.
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Well said! Nothing takes me more out of a film then bad CGI.
Well said! Nothing takes me more out of a film then bad CGI.
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Exactly, most of the time CGI doesn't act with real world physics (most of the time things move too fast and don't seem to have any weight to them when they blow up or move) so it looks more fake than a model.
Exactly, most of the time CGI doesn't act with real world physics (most of the time things move too fast and don't seem to have any weight to them when they blow up or move) so it looks more fake than a model.
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But both look fake.
Plus if we're comparing good modeling to bad CGI its apples and oranges. Yoda is my go to for this debate. Puppet Yoda still looks like a puppet, not a real living breathing alien. CGI Yoda looks like a cartoon, not a living breathing alien.
But both look fake.
Plus if we're comparing good modeling to bad CGI its apples and oranges. Yoda is my go to for this debate. Puppet Yoda still looks like a puppet, not a real living breathing alien. CGI Yoda looks like a cartoon, not a living breathing alien.
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nothing that inolved models from TDK looked fake... however the train explosion scene at the end of batman begins.... that model looked fake.
nothing that inolved models from TDK looked fake... however the train explosion scene at the end of batman begins.... that model looked fake.
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But puppet Yoda looked like a real, 3-dimensional thing. CG Yodo looked like a cartoon living in a cartoon world surrounded by other cartoon characters and a few guys wearing silly Halloween costumes. . .what was the question again?
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No, it looked like a fake, 3-dimensional puppet. That's the point agent0028 is trying to make.
Model/Miniature Work and CGI both have pros and cons and that's because BOTH are simply FX mediums. Whether or not they succeed or fail depends on the people using them.
No, it looked like a fake, 3-dimensional puppet. That's the point agent0028 is trying to make.
Model/Miniature Work and CGI both have pros and cons and that's because BOTH are simply FX mediums. Whether or not they succeed or fail depends on the people using them.
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Beware of lots of words.
On this subject...
Roger Ebert said "while watching '13 assassins', I was sure CGI effects must have been used, but I was rarely able to notice them. That's the point, as it always was in traditional special effects: to deceive the eye, not insult it. Most of the movement here is at least somewhat plausible in terms of the real world. Too often CGI is an excuse for what amounts to live-action cartoons. Here is a film that could be studied for its lessons by the manufacturers of Friday night action blockbusters. "
And I do prefer fake looking real-life objects to fake looking computer effects. Although Yoda looks fake either way...at least your eye can trust that he is actually in that scene and has that puppet texture to him. compare the transformation in the remake of the wolfman to the one in american werewolf in london. I don't dislike the CGI one, but it doesn't even stack up the practical effect version IMO. Heck, even the underworld franchise uses animatronic, costume, and puppet werewolves in addition to the CGI, and it makes a big difference. It looks like it exists in some way, because in a way, it does. How awesome is it that there is a gigantic moving robot werewolf, a t-rex, or a giger alien costume in some warehouse somewhere?
I don't really think there is an argument here..your eye sees these things very differently whether it looks "real" or not.
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I appreciate that Nolan makes huge epic movies and does what he can in real life. flipping an eighteen wheeler is awesome. I think he was able to use CGI tastefully when he did, also. I happen to like the batpod flip, because it was so quick and unexpected. It doesn't give your eye the time to see that it's fake before you see a real batman/stunt man apparently bracing himself after the trick. we all knew the 18 wheeler was gonna happen, but not that. I will take anything that makes batman look like he is the master of his craft.
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On this subject...
Roger Ebert said "while watching '13 assassins', I was sure CGI effects must have been used, but I was rarely able to notice them. That's the point, as it always was in traditional special effects: to deceive the eye, not insult it. Most of the movement here is at least somewhat plausible in terms of the real world. Too often CGI is an excuse for what amounts to live-action cartoons. Here is a film that could be studied for its lessons by the manufacturers of Friday night action blockbusters. "
And I do prefer fake looking real-life objects to fake looking computer effects. Although Yoda looks fake either way...at least your eye can trust that he is actually in that scene and has that puppet texture to him. compare the transformation in the remake of the wolfman to the one in american werewolf in london. I don't dislike the CGI one, but it doesn't even stack up the practical effect version IMO. Heck, even the underworld franchise uses animatronic, costume, and puppet werewolves in addition to the CGI, and it makes a big difference. It looks like it exists in some way, because in a way, it does. How awesome is it that there is a gigantic moving robot werewolf, a t-rex, or a giger alien costume in some warehouse somewhere?
I don't really think there is an argument here..your eye sees these things very differently whether it looks "real" or not.
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This gets trick with gore though I think...Have you ever seen something horrible in real life? I accidentally looked up a car accident people were talking about in another thread, and it is very unnerving, and hardly looks real. I feel like horror movies have come up with like a hyper-realistic gore that looks too good in alot of cases. like the TCM remake and even in some saw films. It stopped effecting me, but if I go back and watch hellraiser, the hokey practical effects still seem alittle bit more unnerving to me in comparison. But like the gore in watchmen for instance, it's obviously cgi, and it just doesn't do anything for me. George romero stopped using practical effects because it takes a long time to use fake blood and clean it up if you have to do another take. That just seems like a result of poor planning and laziness. End rant.
I appreciate that Nolan makes huge epic movies and does what he can in real life. flipping an eighteen wheeler is awesome. I think he was able to use CGI tastefully when he did, also. I happen to like the batpod flip, because it was so quick and unexpected. It doesn't give your eye the time to see that it's fake before you see a real batman/stunt man apparently bracing himself after the trick. we all knew the 18 wheeler was gonna happen, but not that. I will take anything that makes batman look like he is the master of his craft.
WORD.
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hahah some people may not find this funny but i thought it was hilarious.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaBK_DRf4_0"]YouTube - The Dark Knight Outtakes + Deleted Scenes[/ame]
hahah some people may not find this funny but i thought it was hilarious.
[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaBK_DRf4_0"]YouTube - The Dark Knight Outtakes + Deleted Scenes[/ame]
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Agreed, and really when it's all said and done a guy in a bat-suit, on a pod that emerges from the front end of batmobile tumbler, after crashing due to a rocket shot in a tunnel, by I guy with drippy clown paint is completely real...
It's just another medium to create what is needed in a fantasy world. If it's done well it's great, and if it's done poorly it will suck! Just like great paintings and bad paintings, just like great scripts and bad ones (example: Green Lantern, Indy 4) and just like great make-up and bad...IMO. I've seen amazing CGI and really bad crap ass CGI.
Agreed, and really when it's all said and done a guy in a bat-suit, on a pod that emerges from the front end of batmobile tumbler, after crashing due to a rocket shot in a tunnel, by I guy with drippy clown paint is completely real...
It's just another medium to create what is needed in a fantasy world. If it's done well it's great, and if it's done poorly it will suck! Just like great paintings and bad paintings, just like great scripts and bad ones (example: Green Lantern, Indy 4) and just like great make-up and bad...IMO. I've seen amazing CGI and really bad crap ass CGI.
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I hope Nolan has Batman fight a ____ load of CGI ants
I hope Nolan has Batman fight a ____ load of CGI ants
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https://beinamovie.com/movie.php?mtitleid=98
Non - Paying Extras are needed for "Dark Night Rises" , their shooting a Football scene in Pittsburgh. Might be cool to check out if your in the area.
https://beinamovie.com/movie.php?mtitleid=98
Non - Paying Extras are needed for "Dark Night Rises" , their shooting a Football scene in Pittsburgh. Might be cool to check out if your in the area.
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I'm a local and as I stated before, it's looking good that I might be an extra, but I don't think it's for this Football crap.
Honestly, that sounds really, really lame. There's going to be a football team in this movie? Gotham has it's own team? Really, they're called the Gotham Rouges? Seriously? I'm sure there are Batman and Steelers fans foaming at the mouth, but to me, that's just stupid. Yeah, yeah, wait and see but I want Pittsburgh to be Gotham City, not vice versa and I LIVE here. I wonder if that's how people from Chicago felt?
I don't know what it is, but that announcement makes it feel unprofessional or something. Like this is a stunt show or carnival. FOOD AND DRINKS! ALL AGES! COME SEE BATMAN. I mean, this football thing is going to be a scene? What, Batman and Bane are going to have a stadium fight?
The Hercules Plane scene sounds MUCH better than this crap.
I'm a local and as I stated before, it's looking good that I might be an extra, but I don't think it's for this Football crap.
Honestly, that sounds really, really lame. There's going to be a football team in this movie? Gotham has it's own team? Really, they're called the Gotham Rouges? Seriously? I'm sure there are Batman and Steelers fans foaming at the mouth, but to me, that's just stupid. Yeah, yeah, wait and see but I want Pittsburgh to be Gotham City, not vice versa and I LIVE here. I wonder if that's how people from Chicago felt?
I don't know what it is, but that announcement makes it feel unprofessional or something. Like this is a stunt show or carnival. FOOD AND DRINKS! ALL AGES! COME SEE BATMAN. I mean, this football thing is going to be a scene? What, Batman and Bane are going to have a stadium fight?
The Hercules Plane scene sounds MUCH better than this crap.
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Well Gotham City has had a football team in the comics and throughout their TV references. They've been the Gotham Knights and the Gotham Wildcats, I know that the Metropolis Sharks played against a Gotham team in Smallville but I don't remember what they were called...so a team isn't really out of the ordinary for a Batman thing. I'm sure they didn't go with Knights because there is an actual Gotham Knights rugby team but I would have preferred Wildcats over Rogues. In reality it'll probably be a 5 minute segment, I doubt it'll be prominent.
Well Gotham City has had a football team in the comics and throughout their TV references. They've been the Gotham Knights and the Gotham Wildcats, I know that the Metropolis Sharks played against a Gotham team in Smallville but I don't remember what they were called...so a team isn't really out of the ordinary for a Batman thing. I'm sure they didn't go with Knights because there is an actual Gotham Knights rugby team but I would have preferred Wildcats over Rogues. In reality it'll probably be a 5 minute segment, I doubt it'll be prominent.
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