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That would be cool. Wouldn't surprise me either because I'm sure I remember reading that Heat is one of Nolans favourite movies. :rotfl:D

I don't know about how it ranks with him, but I do recall reading of him taking influence from HEAT with TDK, and it's really easy to see, but Nolan worked with Pacino on Insomnia so they already have a history.
 
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I want to see the Riddler reinvented as a bad-ass break-all-the-rules FBI criminal profiler brought in to Gotham to catch Batman. An older guy- military type guy. Not Joking- I could see Jack Nicholson doing the role. He has the public nickname "The Riddler" for bringing in elusive serial killers in the past, figuring out their personality based on the clues they leave in their victims, and he gained some infamy by taunting hard cases in the past, leading to more crime, more death- but he got his criminal. He's some nationally known figure- like a famous cop. He's got respect from politicians for what he does, but he's dirty and most people think he'd dangerous. Not a nut- not an over-the-top nut like the Joker or the Scarecrow. Just a cold, hard military guy who does whatever it takes- legal or not- to get his mark.

He's got political connections, and he doesn't give a ____ about anything but finding his target. And he's got command over a special forces squad- Seals or something. Bane is their group leader, and in the process of coming in to Gotham, The Riddler almost commandeers Wayne Enterprises technology, including the "juice" that makes Bane who he is.

I want to see The Penguin- Oswold Coblepot as just a background high-level illegal arms dealer who sells special weapons to The Riddler and Bane in their hunt or Batman- special weapons The Penguin gets on the black market from Wayne Enterprises.

I want to see Batman take down the entire special forces team, and his new suit has active camouflage like the predator- developed by Wayne enterprises. No cuts, no quick edits- I want to see Batman kick the crap out of an entire squad, and Ras Al Ghul comes back and helps him.

I want a subplot involving ZZazz or whatever that psychotic killer dude is. Batman chasing him, apprehends him, has to escape because the cops try to take him down.

Oh- and I want to see Maroni become the beginnings of clayface trying experimental cures for his jacked up face- again, chemicals for healing soldiers in battle quickly developed y Wayne Enterprises, sold by the Penguin. (Nicknamed because he wears a tux everywhere- that's it)

OK... anything else...

Oh yeah- Angelina Jolie as Catwoman- and make her hot!

:D:D:D
 
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The Riddler part doesn't sound too bad actually.
 
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The Riddler part doesn't sound too bad actually.

See what I mean? It works. You start to think about it- how the ____- without a seven style psychotic mystery story- could you really do the Riddler, realistically? And what is the nickname "Riddler" anyway? so I went in a completely different direction.

My friend and I were talking about how the Joker could be in Arkham- recast him, I don't think it would be a big deal- and he could be there, in a restraining apparatus, like Anthony Hopkins as Hannibal Lecter- but with no makeup, shaved head, and his scars would be these gruesome things- like without the makeup they look even worse. And the Riddler is there with Bane interrogating him, and they actually torture the ____ out of the Joker. The cops guarding Arkham- they are intimidated in to leaving the area, and The riddler just gets all this info from the Joker- finds out about Jim Gordon's stunt with Batman's own interrogation of the Joker. Stuff like that.
 
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''I want to see the Riddler reinvented as a bad-ass break-all-the-rules FBI criminal profiler brought in to Gotham to catch Batman. An older guy- military type guy. Not Joking- I could see Jack Nicholson doing the role. He has the public nickname "The Riddler" for bringing in elusive serial killers in the past, figuring out their personality ''

This i like the sound of, everything except older military, and Jack. Only this part though, the rest, eh
 
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Oh yeah- Angelina Jolie as Catwoman- and make her hot!

:D:D:D
it's the ultimate fanboy request. and believe me, i too want nothing more than to see jolie in catsuit. but here's why i think it wont work: her lips is too telling.

it's safe to assume that bruce wayne will get to meet selina sans the mask. and even upon first encounter, lips like hers is going to leave indelible impression. so, unless the new catsuit is going to cover her mouth, it'd be only to easy for batman to spot selina as catwoman.
 
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Angelina's lips are no more a give away than Bale with that duckbill thing going on :lol

I think Angelina Jolie would make for a good Catwoman, but not in a Nolan film. She's got the right attitude but something about her just doesn't feel right for the gritty world of Nolan's movies, I think she'd make a better Catwoman in Batman Returns.
 
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Angelina's lips are no more a give away than Bale with that duckbill thing going on :lol

:lol

but bruce wayne hangs out with the elite class while batman hangs with thugs. the two groups only see one side of him. and even if the thugs know what bruce wayne look like, they sure wont get a chance to register what batman's lips look like before they get their asses handed to them.
 
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Black Mask
Bane
Mobs
Ra's Al Ghul
End. :)
 
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:lol

but bruce wayne hangs out with the elite class while batman hangs with thugs. the two groups only see one side of him. and even if the thugs know what bruce wayne look like, they sure wont get a chance to register what batman's lips look like before they get their asses handed to them.

True, but there is Gordon, the end of TDK he should have been thinking, look at those things, boy you sure got a funny mouth like that Wayne fella :lol
 
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Lot of people keep saying Black Mask, what's the story with this character, who is he, why does he look like this? On the visual alone, I can't imagine how you could make that realistic in Nolan's world, it looks almost like Two-Face without the flesh and muscle or a clean half.

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True, but there is Gordon, the end of TDK he should have been thinking, look at those things, boy you sure got a funny mouth like that Wayne fella :lol

that's partly why the bat see the need to change his voice. but careful now, you might be onto something here. gordon finding out about bat's identity actually sounds like a good idea to explore for the next film.

i mean, with that resse guy almost divulging the bat's identity on national tv, the mobs and cops are going to hunt that guy down and make him talk. so the secret identity subplot is bound to happen in the next film, and gordon knowing the bat's secret sounds very plausible.
 
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On the visual alone, I can't imagine how you could make that realistic in Nolan's world

black_mask_batman_3_villain.jpg

Why not? He made Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul work. Slight modification here and there and presto!!!!
 
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Besides, it's just a mask he wears. You can say Black Mask is sort of an opposite version of Bruce Wayne.
 
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I'm not familiar with Batman comics to know if Gordon ever knew Wayne was Batman, but their relationship seems really close, but also very secretive. I could almost seen Bruce revealing himself to Gordon as a necessity to keep in touch with Batman being an outlaw. It was risky enough that Gordon supported Batman when he was just seen as a vigillante, but now that he's a wanted murder, he could go to prison as accessory if they were caught together, and I can't see them not keeping in contact.

I think this Batman movie could be one of the most interesting Batman stories told in film. If they do pick up with him as an outlaw, I think it'd be very interesting to see how Batman operates thwarting crime and dodging the police at the same time.
 
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Besides, it's just a mask he wears. You can say Black Mask is sort of an opposite version of Bruce Wayne.

Well that's what I needed to know, that image I found and some of the others I saw, he looked drawn as if that was his actual head, that's why I was wondering how you could pull it off in a film series trying to stay realistic with its designs.
 
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I'm not familiar with Batman comics to know if Gordon ever knew Wayne was Batman, but their relationship seems really close, but also very secretive. I could almost seen Bruce revealing himself to Gordon as a necessity to keep in touch with Batman being an outlaw. It was risky enough that Gordon supported Batman when he was just seen as a vigillante, but now that he's a wanted murder, he could go to prison as accessory if they were caught together, and I can't see them not keeping in contact.

I think this Batman movie could be one of the most interesting Batman stories told in film. If they do pick up with him as an outlaw, I think it'd be very interesting to see how Batman operates thwarting crime and dodging the police at the same time.
agreed. there are lots of potential for the next film to go even bigger than TDK.

in miller's DKR, gordon knows who batman is. that's how close the relationship has gotten between the two. batman being hunted down by the gotham police(as well as seen as national security risk) was also explored in that book. if you need to read just one bat book, that's the one to read. best bat book ever written. and that's not just me saying that.
 
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agreed. there are lots of potential for the next film to go even bigger than TDK.

in miller's DKR, gordon knows who batman is. that's how close the relationship has gotten between the two. batman being hunted down by the gotham police(as well as seen as national security risk) was also explored in that book. if you need to read just one bat book, that's the one to read. best bat book ever written. and that's not just me saying that.

Oh hell yes! I would argue, greatest comic ever written. In all seriousness, Miller's tdkr is beyond good. Heck- you like Nolans use of realism? Read tdkr and get a dose of batman in the modern world (late 80s). Wow what a story. Just one quote:

Superman: "where?"
Batman: "crime alley."

best. Fight. Ever.
 
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Well that's what I needed to know, that image I found and some of the others I saw, he looked drawn as if that was his actual head, that's why I was wondering how you could pull it off in a film series trying to stay realistic with its designs.

Actually that's only partly accurate. See below:

Black Mask's origin story was established in his first appearance. Roman Sionis was born into one of Gotham City’s elite families, to wealthy and utterly self-absorbed parents, caring more about their social status than their son; moments after his birth, the doctor carelessly dropped him on his head. Roman's parents were less concerned about their son's well-being and more concerned about covering up the entire incident out of fear of how their wealthy friends would react to the news of their son's injury. A second incident occurred when he was a child. While at the Sionis family country estate he was attacked by a rabid raccoon. This incident was also covered up by the Sionis family, who forbade Roman to mention it to anyone.
Further adding to the cauldron was his father's "friendship" with Thomas Wayne; both of Roman's parents disliked the Waynes and were quite vocal about it in private with their son. However, to their son's dismay, they continued to associate with Thomas and Martha Wayne and pretended to be friends with the couple, to the extent of literally forcing him to become friends with their son, Bruce. His parents' hypocrisy had a deep impact on him, and he grew to hate and resent them and the "masks" they wore in public.
After his high school graduation, Sionis was given a high ranking position inside his father's company, Janus Cosmetics. There, he met and fell in love with Circe, a working class secretary. His parents didn't approve of the relationship and made it clear that they wanted it ended. Enraged, Roman burned down the family's mansion, killing both of his parents. Upon their deaths, he inherited the family fortune and business. Roman wasn't the businessman his father was, however, and eventually ruined Janus Cosmetics by funding a line of face-paint make-up which failed. In desperation, he threw large sums of money at the staff chemists to create a product to save the company, and what came back to him was a kind of water-proof makeup. The product was rushed to market without proper testing, and once it hit the market turned out to be a deadly toxin which disfigured several hundred women.
Circe, now Sionis' fiancée, broke up with him in front of his entire staff. At that time, now successful mogul Bruce Wayne offered to bail out the company on the condition that Sionis give up control and allow Wayne to appoint his own Board of Directors. Sionis agreed, but was furious at the humiliation he had suffered. He went to the family mausoleum and broke his mother's ebony coffin lid. From a piece of this, Sionis carved a mask, becoming "Black Mask".[1]
[edit]Becoming Black Mask


Cover to Batman #518 (May 1995). Pencils by Kelley Jones.
Sionis found he had an amazing aptitude for crime, and he soon had a large gang working for him. Calling them the False Face Society, the one requirement was that all members must select a mask from his collection and wear it at all times when on the job and in his presence. They were successfully gaining power in the Gotham underworld, until Black Mask decided it was time to take his revenge on Bruce Wayne. He began kidnapping Wayne Enterprises executives, putting masks on their faces that were coated in the deadly make-up once made by Janus Cosmetics. He also targeted Circe and forcibly disfigured her with the chemicals in order to force her to reunite with him. Circe would ultimately kill herself, leading Black Mask to replace her with a mannequin that he talked to as if it were a real person.
These kidnappings drew Batman's attention, and he began hunting down the False Facers. He slowly began to dismantle the organization until he finally found Black Mask in the ruins of the Sionis Family home. Black Mask lit the wreckage on fire trying to escape, but was caught in the burning house. Batman was able to save him, but the mask had been burned onto his face and left him disfigured.
 
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