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I am so glad to hear that he won't be trying to recast and bring the Joker back.

I can't imagine the pressure Nolan must feel to match and/or surpass The Dark Knight.
 
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I had a feeling Nolan would feel that way about the Joker, or to be more exact....Heath. Also I wouldn't be shocked one bit if strange stories started leaking about Nolan's mental health as he starts filming. This movie is gonna be extremely hard on him & take a great toll. I only hope he buries him self in the work to escape the pain as well as create a masterpiece that will allow the term "THE DARK KNIGHT" to go down in cinnimatic history.
 
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Are you ____ing joking? :lol
 
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I have high hopes for this film. TDK is the best comic based movie ever, no doubt. I don't know if he can top it but if he does than that dude is a friggin beast. Not that he already isn't.
 
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whos gonna play the bad guy in the next movie?
 
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There's a rumor going around town here that Joseph Gordon Levitt may be cast as the Riddler, or cast in the 3rd film. No confirmation yet but Nolan likes him and worked with him in "Inception."
 
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Good news that he's found a story that excites him and also that he won't replace Heath. Also about it wrapping up and not having a cliffhanger ending. Even if they go forward with a fourth movie and no Nolan, at least we'll be able to feel like we have a complete trilogy and some closure to this Batman.

My guess is after Nolan finishes the trilogy, they'll close 'this' Batman down and 'reboot' with a more comic-based Batman so they can cross him over with the inevitable Justice League film(s). As of right now, this Batman is in the real world. No Superman, no Green Lantern, no Wonder Woman, no Flash, etc. And so I think they'l need to revamp Batman to fit in with the super-powered heroes. And just to seperate it even more, they'll need to replace Bale, which I'd be surprised if he wanted to continue on after the 3rd film anyway.

I suppose it is always possible the Joker would still make a small appearence even without recasting. With all of the technology available, they could, in a way, bring Heath back. But that doesn't sound like something Nolan is going for. The Jokers done and thats that. Sure we may get a line here or there about him being in Arkham, escaped, etc. etc. Although if you had to recast him, Joseph Gordon-Levitt looks a LOT like Heath.
 
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Levitt is a talented actor. I'm all for it. I just watched 'Brick' a few weeks ago. Liked it quite a bit, in large part due to Levitt's performance.
 
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he could play a good riddler is used and if not i am sure there would be a role he would be wicked to play.
 
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There's a rumor going around town here that Joseph Gordon Levitt may be cast as the Riddler, or cast in the 3rd film. No confirmation yet but Nolan likes him and worked with him in "Inception."

Not a bad pick of a actor, but Riddler is lame.
 
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I still say Penguin is both the most logical & feasible enemy. With the defeat of Maroni & The Joker & Two Face confirmed dead via Nolan interview, Gotham's Crime syndicate is now in total & utter disarray. Who better to bring order to all the chaos & wreckage left behind in the wake of Joker's terror spree than the #1 crime boss of them all.....PENGUIN!

I don't need some unrealistic flipper for a hand. Short, fat, & a mugg with a beak nose thats every bit as disgusting as his table manners is good enough for me. & as for matching the character of the Joker left behind by Ledger.......well lets just put it like this. In the 2nd Burton Batman movie we heard Penguin speak of killing dozens of children, right?

Well maybe i've read the Killing Joke & X23 comics once to often, but i say...F@$* YEAH!!! LETS SEE IT!!!! Face down...& floating thru the sewers of Gothem. A procession of child corpses. Each one....punishment to a wealthy citizen of Gothem who didn't "play ball", or tried to change the rules of the game.

Oh yeah, I could see the Penguin being brought in in a realistic way.
 
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My guess is after Nolan finishes the trilogy, they'll close 'this' Batman down and 'reboot' with a more comic-based Batman so they can cross him over with the inevitable Justice League film(s). As of right now, this Batman is in the real world. No Superman, no Green Lantern, no Wonder Woman, no Flash, etc. And so I think they'l need to revamp Batman to fit in with the super-powered heroes. And just to seperate it even more, they'll need to replace Bale, which I'd be surprised if he wanted to continue on after the 3rd film anyway.

Maybe not. With Nolan helming at least the production of Superman it sounds like he is giving him the real world treatment as much as possible, using the origins as an anchor. I have a feeling they'll get a director who will try to continue forward with the status quo and if not successful reboot in a couple of years. They'll want to keep the Batman momentum flowing until it craps like Batman and Robin did.


I still say Penguin is both the most logical & feasible enemy. With the defeat of Maroni & The Joker & Two Face confirmed dead via Nolan interview, Gotham's Crime syndicate is now in total & utter disarray. Who better to bring order to all the chaos & wreckage left behind in the wake of Joker's terror spree than the #1 crime boss of them all.....PENGUIN!

I don't need some unrealistic flipper for a hand. Short, fat, & a mugg with a beak nose thats every bit as disgusting as his table manners is good enough for me. & as for matching the character of the Joker left behind by Ledger.......well lets just put it like this. In the 2nd Burton Batman movie we heard Penguin speak of killing dozens of children, right?

Oh yeah, I could see the Penguin being brought in in a realistic way.

The most logical would be Black Mask especially at his beginnings where he actually wore a black mask. Black Mask hates Bruce Wayne and it adds to the duality of the character based on his origins, I've been spouting that since TDK. As for the Penguin, DC has a record of taking what is successful in media and translating it to their comics instead of vice versa. When the Burton Batman was successful, he went all black for a time period, Penguin even followed suit after Returns for a time period but in reality Penguin is a nickname a childhood taunt, of Copperpot not an indication of what he really looks like. The Penguin is realistic especially in the books as of recent.

There has to be extenuating circumstances. They could have shot this this fall spring and released it for 2011. I'm sure the Studio preferred it. When you think MI4 is STILL being written and has a 2011 release date, you see what I mean. So, Casting Schedules, etc may be playing a part in this. Also, I believe there were efforts to get this started this year as Location scouts were in Chicago already, so something is up. Nolan must have said we needed more time, or maybe WB put Superman ahead of it.

But anyway you look at it, it's a shame WB lost the 2011 Summer Window for either DK or Supes. They should have had at least one ready for 2011 and the other ready for 2012.

Personally I think they are holding out to block them one tentpole at a time, they aren't in the Marvel situation where multiple companies own rights and so films get butted up against another, Green Lantern has 2011, Batman has 2012 and I guarantee Superman has 2013 just in time to keep the rights. GL 2 will probably follow right after in 2014, with the Flash following etc. I don't think DC/WB is in a hurry to flood the market especially since the marketing is so extensive. Once everything starts running and multiple heroes start going I can see a beginning of summer release and a end of summer to bookend the season but I think they'll tred lightly for a bit.

i don't know man. 2012 is probably going to be even bigger for marvel, with the avengers and the spiderman reboot.

That is only because Sony owns Spidey, rumors are the Fox wants the FF reboot in 2012 and let's not forget Wolverine 2 and First Class on the docket. If you look at Marvel Studios they are being very strategic in putting out the films to not try and oversaturate amongst their releases but when you add in three other studios with rights, you can avoid so many hitting a short period of time. Overall it hurts the films because fans are pulled in so many different directions and it hurts the long term values.


That was kind of a given, even after TDK Nolan said No Joker in the next one because of Heath, He has been on record before about it, he is just reiterating it. The fanboys want another Joker, he doesn't and am glad he won't although if they reboot it'll be recasted.
 
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Maybe not. With Nolan helming at least the production of Superman it sounds like he is giving him the real world treatment as much as possible, using the origins as an anchor. I have a feeling they'll get a director who will try to continue forward with the status quo and if not successful reboot in a couple of years. They'll want to keep the Batman momentum flowing until it craps like Batman and Robin did.




The most logical would be Black Mask especially at his beginnings where he actually wore a black mask. Black Mask hates Bruce Wayne and it adds to the duality of the character based on his origins, I've been spouting that since TDK. As for the Penguin, DC has a record of taking what is successful in media and translating it to their comics instead of vice versa. When the Burton Batman was successful, he went all black for a time period, Penguin even followed suit after Returns for a time period but in reality Penguin is a nickname a childhood taunt, of Copperpot not an indication of what he really looks like. The Penguin is realistic especially in the books as of recent.



Personally I think they are holding out to block them one tentpole at a time, they aren't in the Marvel situation where multiple companies own rights and so films get butted up against another, Green Lantern has 2011, Batman has 2012 and I guarantee Superman has 2013 just in time to keep the rights. GL 2 will probably follow right after in 2014, with the Flash following etc. I don't think DC/WB is in a hurry to flood the market especially since the marketing is so extensive. Once everything starts running and multiple heroes start going I can see a beginning of summer release and a end of summer to bookend the season but I think they'll tred lightly for a bit.



That is only because Sony owns Spidey, rumors are the Fox wants the FF reboot in 2012 and let's not forget Wolverine 2 and First Class on the docket. If you look at Marvel Studios they are being very strategic in putting out the films to not try and oversaturate amongst their releases but when you add in three other studios with rights, you can avoid so many hitting a short period of time. Overall it hurts the films because fans are pulled in so many different directions and it hurts the long term values.



That was kind of a given, even after TDK Nolan said No Joker in the next one because of Heath, He has been on record before about it, he is just reiterating it. The fanboys want another Joker, he doesn't and am glad he won't although if they reboot it'll be recasted.

Mike, here's a reality check. Black Mask could pass as a secondary villian but never as the main one. Reason is, even after all the success of TDK the main stream population is still only aquainted with a limited scope of heroes & villians in ALL of these superhero films. For the film to work the sad but realistic truth is, any & all main super villians for batman would have to be selected from the old Adam West Batman that main stream tuned in for way back in the day.

Drift to far from that formula & your gonna end up with an audiance saying to them self...."who the _____**K is that?!?! Or...."so they ran out of bad guys for Batman to beat & some idiot just made up a guy in a black mask pffft".

The general audiance will need to wrap their non comic reading heads around it 1st & for most. :lecture
 
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If you look as Ras Al Ghul as the main villain in Batman Begins I would say that Nolan disagrees with you. There really is nothing that Nolan is doing that listens to the fanboys, or else he would have started with Joker or included Robin in TDK or recasted the Joker he saw the character was amazingly popular. He is doing his own thing and making the fanboys pant after him which is refreshing. I'm sure the audience said who the ____ is Ras? Let loved BB. I'm sure some even if you are claiming Adam West as a point of reference some said who the ____ is Lucius Fox?

The reality check since we are giving them is that only fanboys give a ____ about who is in the film villain wise, they are the ones to complain, they are the ones to rant. The general public? They just want another Batman story and are in for whatever. That is the reality. Now Nolan will pick a villain based on who will help further his Batstory simple as that. It might be Riddler, it might be Penguin, it might be someone else. The truth is that Bruce Wayne individually, Batman as a persona and even Catwoman have direct ties to Black Mask who is a sliver age villain believe it or not. I wouldn't count out anyone from Nolan's story except non realistic villains like Killer Croc or Clayface but with Nolan who knows.

Thanks for the check though
 
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OK OK, you do have a point about Ras. point taken.
 
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honestly, I would LOVE to see a Mr. Freeze in Nolan's universe, as he's my absolute favorite Batman villian. I know this is unrealistic, but who knows.

Like all the villians, BtAS really nailed him:
"Think of it, Batman. To never again walk on a summer's day with a hot wind in your face, and a warm hand to hold. Ooooohhh yes, I'd kill for that." - Mr. Freeze
 
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My vote for villains:
The Riddler: Yes, can you imagine how twisted and complex the Nolan's could make his riddles? Screwing with not only Batman, but perhaps the entire city? I can see Nolan making him work out great as a primary villain and JGL would be great as Riddler

Catwoman: Someone to really make Batman question ethical choices and a love interest. Though I still dont think he needs a love interest in EVERY single movie!

Croc: A huge dude with a skin condition who eats his victims. Portrayed like in the GN "Joker" but perhaps without scales.

Black Mask: Perfect for the Mob escalation story and like Mike said, he hates BW and it would really add to the duality of the Batman character, being attacked on both fronts

Penguin: Again, the Mob escalation story but he really would work. Supplying weapons to not only the Mob but the "Freaks" taking over.

And on that, that is what I really want to see as the theme for Batman 3: Takeover of the Freaks. A frickin war breaking out in the city between the Mob of old and the new freaks who are flooding Gotham since Batman arrived. Its always been one of my favorite themes in Batman, he is responsible for the escalation that happens in the city and the question of if he hadnt arrived, would Gotham be a better place? It was bad before, but he essentially transformed it into a Freak show.
 
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