The Dark Knight Rises ***USE SPOILER TAGS***

[tomandshell]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

I merely meant that his serious psychological problems could be portrayed as off-kilter and with similar intensity as someone like Kevin Spacey's "John Doe".

Now that you mention it, the idea of a villain who kills his victims according to the seven deadly sins sounds kind of like a comic bookish sort of concept, but Fincher pulled it off. I think that Nolan is creative enough to present some of the traditional Batman villains in a new light.

 

[Cap'n Cook]

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I know this is FAR off but did you like Jeremy Irons in Die Hard 3? Now i'm not saying that his character would fit in to Nolans Batman films but it could make for a very entertaining wild goose chase of a film. Solving puzzles that hold great consequence. Kinda like taking the entire city of Chicag ....... um I mean Gotham hostage again. Fear tactics and what not. If done I would make the character less involved (with the actual events) and more of a mystery to his whereabouts.

Great comparison Roy.

Freaking love his over the top villainous Scar-esque camp in that.

"Hook...Line....and Sinker".

 

[JGouse0498]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

Now that you mention it, the idea of a villain who kills his victims according to the seven deadly sins sounds kind of like a comic bookish sort of concept, but Fincher pulled it off. I think that Nolan is creative enough to present some of the traditional Batman villains in a new light.

Perhaps the Riddler would be an absolute genius with incredible deductive abilities who not only discovers Batman and Gordon's cover-up of Two-Face and but also figures out Batman's identity, and he uses that knowledge to target those closest to Bruce (Lucius, Alfred, Gordon, etc.) and further pushes Bruce to his limits.

Although Nolan has gone on record as saying the theme of the film will be "redemption", so that would have to be worked into the fabric of the plot and the villain would need to faciliate that.

 

[Seditionary]

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I hated the riddler character in general for a long time. Besides the animated series I never really liked the character in the comics...especially not with jim carrey in the movie.

I did read a comic that changed my mind though..it was about satanic rituals in gotham city that happened at the beginning of the 19th century that would summon barbatos the bat demon. Riddler learns of this and tries to force batman into committing certain acts that would re-summon this beast under riddlers control.
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Anyways, riddler would have to be a master at manipulation. I think of christoph waltz in inglorious basterds everytime i think of how riddler should be. Scary, very intelligent, and not exactly what he seems...and most importantly only looking out for himself. This could be huge if done right...think how joker manipulated the police, mob, harvey dent, and practically the whole city. It could be even more big than that.

I don't think the idea is to "top" the joker or the last movie...I think it just has to be interesting and entertaining and a solid movie.

I personally just want to see more batman in this one. Develop the character to ever detail people know of him and more.

 

[ShadowX81]

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Im just not sure if going with the riddler is really all that unique. The whole "villian that appears bats**t insane but is actually a brilliant manipulator that likes to confuse people" has already been done with the joker. Yes I know there are differences, but not enough to really call it new ground. I think that they should pick a villain who is completly different.

 

[Seditionary]

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I could understand that. but riddler never really struck me as "bat____ insane" except for in the adam west show and in batman forever.

 

[devilof76]

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Im just not sure if going with the riddler is really all that unique. The whole "villian that appears bats**t insane but is actually a brilliant manipulator that likes to confuse people" has already been done with the joker. Yes I know there are differences, but not enough to really call it new ground. I think that they should pick a villain who is completly different.

Except that the Joker was bat____ insane. He just appears to be a manipulative genius. But I agree that Riddler is not new ground at all and would feel extremely stale.

 

[karamazov80]

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You know what would be fresh? Egg-head and King Tut. The fans would never see that ____ coming.

 

[devilof76]

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I'm trying to think of someone who would be worse than them, and I'm coming up blank. Maxie Zeus is the best I can do.

You have to dig into the older villains to find the truly ridiculous ones.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

Don't forget Zodiac Master, Zebra Man, and Calendar Man.

 

[devilof76]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

Long Halloween made Calendar Man worthwhile, but yeah. I just found a bunch in a list on Wikipedia, and I wonder how many of them could be redeemed by giving them acute psychoses. Crazy Quilt, Killer Moth, Condiment King cuckoo, Mr. Polka Dot...cracks me up.

 

[SUPREMEQUEEN]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

let me ask you guys this. have any of you considered that Nolan already did disclose who the next villain(s) is/are in the ORIGINAL CUT of TDK???

you know like how he did with Gordon passing the Joker crime evidance too Batman in BB. & maybe.....just maybe Nolan had the scene cut in the aftermath of Ledger's death? ALSO!! if there really is no such scene in a film vault any where, dose this mean Nolan ment all along to use Ledger in the 3rd film?

 

[EVILFACE]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

Using Joker again in the next film would have been lame. Batman lore is too deep to use the same bad guy.

 

[devilof76]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

Joker is the fundamental villain in Batman's universe, but as a foil, he only represents Batman's conflict. He's ideal for defining Batman by contrast, but if the purpose of the last film is to show Bruce Wayne redeeming the Bat and securing himself in that identity, Joker is not the villain to use. He doesn't exactly scream 'resolution'.

 

[Seditionary]

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I just think gotham city without the presence of joker is not the same from now on. He needs to have some sort of cameo or something.

 

[Darth Madden]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

I just think gotham city without the presence of joker is not the same from now on. He needs to have some sort of cameo or something.

It would be strange since he didn't die and I hope they can work him in a little bit somehow but I am guessing his fate will be explained but never shown.

 

[karamazov80]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

His fate is that he goes to Arkham, right? Do they need to even bring him up?

 

[Sachiel]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

No they don't and it's not going to happen anyways.

 

[Darth Madden]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

His fate is that he goes to Arkham, right? Do they need to even bring him up?

Yeah, but after being such a big part of TDK to just ignore him in the 3rd would be kind of weird. Maybe thats just me though.

 

[Kross]

Re: Batman/Dark Knight 3rd Film

batman sucks quit making stupid batman movies