The Dark Knight Rises ***USE SPOILER TAGS***

[DiFabio]

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Well, I would say anything focusing on Wayne is about Batman in the Nolan films. Nolan portrays his Wayne as devoting himself to the Batman duty all day long. He has Fox to run Wayne Enterprises, I don't get an impression that he goes there for anything but to tap into the resources for Batman needs. I know for most people, he's only Batman in the suit, but in Nolan's movies, plain old Christian Bale is still Batman.

Not when Bruce and Alfred consider Batman some kind of outside force going as far as calling it a monster. They've been treating Batman more or less as a tool or an inspirational symbol for goodie goodies as opposed to an actual character in these films.

Batman has never been met with open arms except maybe by Gordon's kid, or, the Joker. Not even Bruce digs being him (it's certainly not his main personality like all the other interpretations, he's essentially Bruce Wayne from beginning to end) and everyone thinks he's the bad guy.

When Bruce refers to Batman in the third person constantly, I have a hard time thinking he's Batman outside the suit. One exception being when the Joker arrives at the party and Wayne knocks Dent out and shoves him in the cabinets. I think they've been setting up Batman as a martyr all along and we'll see it played up in this one. "BATMAN can't save the poor, BUT Bruce can!" Then he dies or quits. ____ Batman.

 

[ZaCHw117]

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Is the screen just plain white for you guys to?
https://www.thefirerises.com/

 

[DiFabio]

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Yeppers. White as can be.

 

[ZaCHw117]

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Yeppers. White as can be.

Weird. I wonder if that's even an official site. I know this is.
www.thefirehasrisen.com/reveal

 

[Sachiel]

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O M G

 

[hunnipot85]

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I actually doubt catwoman will be the focus of promotion at any stage, but time will tell

Really? How come?

Catwoman is a much more iconic Batman villain than Bane, plus Anne Hathaway is arguably the most famous of the cast (with the average movie goer, and especially of the new additions)

 

[MaulFan]

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I think Bane and Catwoman will be minimized in the marketing, specifically printed materials. Begins featured Batman only, no Ra's or Scarecrow posters or anything, TDK only featured Joker, no Two-Face, and rightly so, the story was more about him than Batman, if they could have gotten away with it, they probably would have had only Joker posters. I think this movie will be back to a focus on Batman as will the marketing. Even though the first poster features Bane, he's walking away and out of focus, the focal point is Batman's shattered mask.

 

[crows]

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Not when Bruce and Alfred consider Batman some kind of outside force going as far as calling it a monster. They've been treating Batman more or less as a tool or an inspirational symbol for goodie goodies as opposed to an actual character in these films.

Batman has never been met with open arms except maybe by Gordon's kid, or, the Joker. Not even Bruce digs being him (it's certainly not his main personality like all the other interpretations, he's essentially Bruce Wayne from beginning to end) and everyone thinks he's the bad guy.

When Bruce refers to Batman in the third person constantly, I have a hard time thinking he's Batman outside the suit. One exception being when the Joker arrives at the party and Wayne knocks Dent out and shoves him in the cabinets. I think they've been setting up Batman as a martyr all along and we'll see it played up in this one. "BATMAN can't save the poor, BUT Bruce can!" Then he dies or quits. ____ Batman.

very interesting, is like, maybe it will come down to, not batman saving the city by dressing like a bat and beating up criminals but by finishing the work his father was doing all along,
by fighting poverty, not criminals, because at the core of it all, is all about money, and not having enough, desperate people turning to desperate needs...
very interesting

 

[MaulFan]

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When Bruce refers to Batman in the third person constantly, I have a hard time thinking he's Batman outside the suit. One exception being when the Joker arrives at the party and Wayne knocks Dent out and shoves him in the cabinets. I think they've been setting up Batman as a martyr all along and we'll see it played up in this one. "BATMAN can't save the poor, BUT Bruce can!" Then he dies or quits. ____ Batman.

I think this ties to Bruce not realizing and accepting things. Yes, he refers to Batman in a 3rd person and up until the end of TDK, he's looking for someone to take over for him, but I draw my opinion more so from Rachel's observations.

In Begins, she describes Batman as who Bruce is, and that Wayne is a persona to hide him from the world, and I think that's true.

In TDK, Rachel comments on her statement that if Gotham no longer needed Batman, she'd be with Bruce, but that she now believed Bruce could never live without him.

I see Begins as his transforming into Batman, TDK is the becoming, capped with the finale, and now TDKR will present him being Batman.

 

[DiFabio]

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I see Begins as his transforming into Batman, TDK is the becoming, capped with the finale, and now TDKR will present him being Batman.

I hope so but it's sounding like they're going to try and do away with Batman completely. Either in death, retirement or letting all of Gotham in on his identity.

Hopefully all the speculation about "the end" is just that, purely speculation. Though, even the interviews sort of lend themselves to the idea that Bruce Wayne will be cured in a sense and will wash his hands of Batman entirely.

 

[jye4ever]

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[ZaCHw117]

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Weird. I wonder if that's even an official site. I know this is.
www.thefirehasrisen.com/reveal

can't get enough of this thing!!!

 

[K07]

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I hope so but it's sounding like they're going to try and do away with Batman completely. Either in death, retirement or letting all of Gotham in on his identity.

Hopefully all the speculation about "the end" is just that, purely speculation. Though, even the interviews sort of lend themselves to the idea that Bruce Wayne will be cured in a sense and will wash his hands of Batman entirely.

Could be all misdirection. But I don't wanna get my hopes up...

It's just that I thought Nolan understood the character. I understood the grounding in realism angle and I for one have loved it. It's fantasy but presented in a way that makes sense in the world he created. It was unlike all superhero movies that came before it.

But this realism thing is going too far for my tastes if at 40 Batman has to quit being Batman because of the toll it's taken on his body. Batman is forever. Joel Schuemacher got that much right in his movies!

 

[crows]

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Weird. I wonder if that's even an official site. I know this is.
www.thefirehasrisen.com/reveal

ommg..................................

we need one with Bale and one with Bane

Edit: Here is Bane:
https://theuglydance.com/?v=axmwushqyq

 

[intothevoid]

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[The Mike]

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When Bruce refers to Batman in the third person constantly, I have a hard time thinking he's Batman outside the suit.

I don't think he does. I think you're absolutely correct in saying that unlike all other Batman interpretations were he IS Batman and constantly having to put on the guise of Bruce Wayne that here its more of a struggle, almost more akin to Banner and Hulk where he'd rather not be Batman. In Batman Begins we saw a little of him wanting to be just Batman but in TDK it was watered down quite a bit and focused more on Bruce Wayne looking for an out. Given that this is 8 years later I find it difficult to walk in thinking that he hasn't be just operating hating that he is Batman for that entire time as well. It's definitely a unique take where Batman is the necessity instead of Bruce Wayne but it seems to be working.

 

[DiFabio]

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I don't think he does. I think you're absolutely correct in saying that unlike all other Batman interpretations were he IS Batman and constantly having to put on the guise of Bruce Wayne that here its more of a struggle, almost more akin to Banner and Hulk where he'd rather not be Batman. In Batman Begins we saw a little of him wanting to be just Batman but in TDK it was watered down quite a bit and focused more on Bruce Wayne looking for an out. Given that this is 8 years later I find it difficult to walk in thinking that he hasn't be just operating hating that he is Batman for that entire time as well. It's definitely a unique take where Batman is the necessity instead of Bruce Wayne but it seems to be working.

Yeah, exactly. It's a different take, but it's not really what I like or what I think the character is about.

I sort of took Rachel's speech about Batman being real and Bruce Wayne being the mask as fact, until The Dark Knight. It's clear that Batman is a tool for Bruce that he can easily toss aside if need be. In this series, not so much in Batman Begins, Batman is this bad thing and I'm not sure I quite like that. They started doing this with Batman Forever and I don't know, it's just not how I picture the character. I like how in the Burton films, animated series and Arkham games, for the most part, he's Batman, through and through. In the Burton films you could tell he was uncomfortable being Bruce Wayne the philanthropist playboy as opposed to being who he really is, Batman. It makes the character more obsessive and interesting as far as I'm concerned.

I always took at as, when Wayne witnesses the death of his parents, something sort of snaps in his mind. He ceases to be Bruce Wayne and his childhood dies with his parents. In these films though, it's really nothing like that. In fact, Bruce is kind of a wuss before his parents are killed just because he fell into the well. He never looks happy and he always looks scared, even playing with Rachel. If you think about it, he should blame himself for leaving the theater too. He's 12 years old and twirling performers that happen to have a passing resemblance as bats scare him enough to want to leave?

I dunno, I've always seen Batman as the dominant persona. I'm not saying Bruce Wayne is dead or doesn't exist, just that Bruce Wayne IS Batman. Not this guise or thing that the Nolan movies make it out to be. When you play it like that, it sort of makes it fantasy, like he's just dressing up as a character, not that he IS the character.

This was always how I felt about it,


[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7j4ZSvzuWcM[/ame]

 

[The Mike]

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I always took at as, when Wayne witnesses the death of his parents, something sort of snaps in his mind. He ceases to be Bruce Wayne and his childhood dies with his parents.

I would say that's how 95% of the people reading Batman take it as well. That's how I always saw it, we saw a bit of this in Batman Begins but it was completely opposite in TDK, almost as if Bruce couldn't wait to get rid of Batman for Rachel, which was weird to think that Batman who saves people every night and puts himself in danger selflessly would have such a selfish ideal on when he could drop his "neverending war on crime". I felt that was all to make the death of Rachel seem more impactful and emotional and show how out of sorts Gotham really was but it seemed to have watered down the character a bit.

 

[Sachiel]

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I sort of took Rachel's speech about Batman being real and Bruce Wayne being the mask as fact, until The Dark Knight. It's clear that Batman is a tool for Bruce that he can easily toss aside if need be.

I don't believe that. Part of his problem is he can't just let it go. Hell he was going out doing Batman-like stuff as Bruce Wayne in TDK. He even used "Teh Voice" out of the suit.

From Rachel's letter to Bruce in TDK:

When I told you that if Gotham no longer needed Batman we could be together, I meant it. Now I'm sure the day won't come when you no longer need Batman.

 

[neo]

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Best trailer I've ever seen is probably either the teaser trailer for Terminator 2 (making the perfect Arnold), the first Dark Knight trailer (you're just a freak . . . like me) and/or the Batman Begins teaser.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbcmLPXuQzo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqmTxTnlJck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNoP0LLn5Xc


I remember a trailer for LOTR that was pretty epic too, I think it was The Two Towers. The soundtrack they used was the template for a lot of fan trailers. Can't remember which Trailer it was though but it was a great one.

Spider-Man 3 and Terminator Salvation had really good trailers, but they turned out to be ____ or, not what people expected.

You forgot this one


[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_sxOvIzY7I[/ame]