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Just thought about this line from Ra's...

'The training is nothing, the WILL is everything. The will to act'

So MAYBE, Blake saves Batman or risks his life and saves a lot of people, and at that moment, Bruce realises, he's the right guy if something were to happen to Bruce.

I always wonder how many Batman (Spiderman, Hulk etc) movies I have in me where I want to see Bruce Wayne parents get killed again, Peter Parker get bit by a spider again, Bruce Banner get hit by gamma again, etc before I don't want to see anymore new versions and just accept one of their movies as my favorite and be done with it all.

If Bruce Wayne dies in this and Blake takes over as Batman, will he be the next Batman in the reboot?

I don't think he's any of Batman's sidekicks, unless WB gave Nolan and Bale an extra 20 million each.

:lol
 
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I can really see Blake/JGL donning the cowl at the end. Heck check out the similarity as well:

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And we thought JGL looked like Heath :panic:

Not suggesting that's JGL in the cowl in this pic, i'm 100% sure that's Bale, but just that seeing this comparison makes the possibility of Blake donning the cowl at the very end more 'real' for me.

If he does, i'm almost certain the only scene we see of Blake in the suit is the final shot, and that's likely to be Batman on top of the bridge.

That would be incredibly stupid please for the love of everything holy dont ever say that again. There can only be one batman and that my friend is Clark kent. Good day sir.
 
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If Bruce Wayne dies in this and Blake takes over as Batman, will he be the next Batman in the reboot?

I don't think he's any of Batman's sidekicks, unless WB gave Nolan and Bale an extra 20 million each.

:lol

Nam and I were discussing this - I don't know... I don't want to think so far ahead :lol
 
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its funny because people also thought he was gonna be the joker, it'll be extremely stupid and highly doubtful that he'll be batman in this movie.
 
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its funny because people also thought he was gonna be the joker, it'll be extremely stupid and highly doubtful that he'll be batman in this movie.

Yeah, Nolan must be having a lot of fun getting the fans to go speculation mad.

Most likely scenario for me is that he's basically just a cop, filling the void left by Batman while he was gone, and while he is injured/captured by Bane. Maybe his real name is Jean Paul Valley or his codename is Azrael or something
 
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JGL as The Batman? :slap:slap

I want to thank Mr.Nolan for not bring Robin into the trilogy.
 
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I'm still having trouble accepting that Batman did nothing for 8 long years.

We haven't really seen anything that suggests that he did nothing for 8 years. If the cops are actively hunting him 8 years later (as suggested by the viral), that suggests the opposite, no?

Though even if he was doing nothing, maybe Gotham was at peace and he wasn't needed? If he showed up after things cooled down post-TDK, that could screw w/ the peace.

Looks like Nolan is holding all the cards until July 18.
 
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We haven't really seen anything that suggests that he did nothing for 8 years. If the cops are actively hunting him 8 years later (as suggested by the viral), that suggests the opposite, no?

Though even if he was doing nothing, maybe Gotham was at peace and he wasn't needed? If he showed up after things cooled down post-TDK, that could screw w/ the peace.

Looks like Nolan is holding all the cards until July 18.

True.

But a person can be wanted without them being active.

Let me rephrase my thoughts. :lol

I'm having trouble believing there was no need for Batman for 8 years, that a corrupt police dept handled all the crime.

If Nolan's universe is based on realism, 8 years of peace is far from realistic.

At the minimum, I hope Batman was at least stopping Jay walking. :lol
 
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I'm having trouble believing there was no need for Batman for 8 years, that a corrupt police dept handled all the crime.

If Nolan's universe is based on realism, 8 years of peace is far from realistic.

Unfortunately, this take on Batman doesn't seem so much interested in spending his life helping fighting crime. His mission was to show Gotham they could stand up to the corrupt and take control of their city. That's what he said to Alfred on the plane ride from Asia to Gotham in BB.

He accomplished that goal through Harvey Dent's staged martyrdom. The city has cleaned up it's act with the noble efforts of Mayor Garcia and Commissioner Gordon. Batman has helped both of these men directly and indirectly do what is needed. This is evident in the Harvey Dent Act, the mention of "peacetime" in the second trailer, and Bane holding up a picture of Harvey Dent (likely exposing the truth).

But I agree. I found this time jump very hard to accept. It's sad that in such a cool fictional world Batman would only go toe-to-toe with the Joker once before he was locked away forever. He would only get to encounter Scarecrow, Two-Face, Bane, Catwoman, and Ra's. He would never have to confront any of our other favorite rogues....

UNLESS he remains Batman by the end of the movie. Which I'm starting to hope for once more. They can end the series without killing him or having a successor take the mantle. Can't it just end with him finally accepting his role as Batman forever?
 
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Unfortunately, this take on Batman doesn't seem so much interested in spending his life helping fighting crime. His mission was to show Gotham they could stand up to the corrupt and take control of their city. That's what he said to Alfred on the plane ride from Asia to Gotham in BB.

He accomplished that goal through Harvey Dent's staged martyrdom. The city has cleaned up it's act with the noble efforts of Mayor Garcia and Commissioner Gordon. Batman has helped both of these men directly and indirectly do what is needed. This is evident in the Harvey Dent Act, the mention of "peacetime" in the second trailer, and Bane holding up a picture of Harvey Dent (likely exposing the truth).

But I agree. I found this time jump very hard to accept. It's sad that in such a cool fictional world Batman would only go toe-to-toe with the Joker once before he was locked away forever. He would only get to encounter Scarecrow, Two-Face, Bane, Catwoman, and Ra's. He would never have to confront any of our other favorite rogues....

UNLESS he remains Batman by the end of the movie. Which I'm starting to hope for once more. They can end the series without killing him or having a successor take the mantle. Can't it just end with him finally accepting his role as Batman forever?

It could very well end with Bruce still being Batman, fact is, we are all shooting the dark, we have no ____ing clue. The trailer raises a lot more questions than it answers - and that for me is a great thing. I'd like to go on knowing as little as possible.

I've viewed this as a sort of 'elseworlds' story right from the beginning though. I think this version of Batman takes the essence of the character and attempts to 'ground' it in reality/hyperreality/whatever you want to call it.

When I first heard about the 8 year jump, I was also taken aback by the thought that potentially, there has been no Batman for all this time... it's a very bold idea if that's the way it plays out, but at the end of it, I strongly believe whatever decisions Nolan and co. have made about their version of Batman, they have all been to serve the story and to make the story richer and more compelling. As long as that objective is achieved, I'm up for any ending.
 
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The LOS is very calculating and methodical, the Joker would be too much of an unknown for them even if their goal was simply to cause chaos.

Agreed. They might have unleashed him in the Fear Gas Attack when the whole city was ripping itself apart. But this attack on Gotham is not so random or chaotic. It looks much more planned. Joker would not go along with Bane like all the other criminals seem to be doing.
 
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The final shot of Blake above the city in the suit could be a flash-forward :dunno

That'd give him time to actually train

I'm just playing devils advocate here, I don't think it WILL happen, I just think it's one of a few possibilities I can see playing out at this point

Oh god! That sounds like a horrible ending.:slap:gah:
 
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Batman Begins- Adventure film

The Dark Knight- Crime Thriller

The Dark Knight Rises- War film
 
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Unfortunately, this take on Batman doesn't seem so much interested in spending his life helping fighting crime. His mission was to show Gotham they could stand up to the corrupt and take control of their city. That's what he said to Alfred on the plane ride from Asia to Gotham in BB.

He accomplished that goal through Harvey Dent's staged martyrdom. The city has cleaned up it's act with the noble efforts of Mayor Garcia and Commissioner Gordon. Batman has helped both of these men directly and indirectly do what is needed. This is evident in the Harvey Dent Act, the mention of "peacetime" in the second trailer, and Bane holding up a picture of Harvey Dent (likely exposing the truth).

But I agree. I found this time jump very hard to accept. It's sad that in such a cool fictional world Batman would only go toe-to-toe with the Joker once before he was locked away forever. He would only get to encounter Scarecrow, Two-Face, Bane, Catwoman, and Ra's. He would never have to confront any of our other favorite rogues....

UNLESS he remains Batman by the end of the movie. Which I'm starting to hope for once more. They can end the series without killing him or having a successor take the mantle. Can't it just end with him finally accepting his role as Batman forever?
You're right Bruce isn't so much interested in fighting crime for his whole life. I think it is more of a compulsion than something he wants to do. He can't escape being Batman. His stated goal to Alfred in BB was to be a [temporary] symbol to shake people out of apathy, yes. But as Rachel told him in the end, Batman has become his true face, and Bruce Wayne the mask. She has the foresight to see that Bruce's temporary mission is going to take him longer than even he thought...

In TDK it becomes even clearer that Batman is going to be part of Bruce's life for the long haul, whether he likes it or not. He expresses hope to Rachel that they day is coming when Gotham no longer needs Batman. In Bruce's own words Harvey Dent is the symbol of hope for Gotham who doesn't wear a mask. He's optimstic that he will finally get to live a "normal life". Rachel, again, sees the harsh reality that even Bruce doesn't. In the undelivered note, she says she doesn't believe the day will come when Bruce doesn't need Batman. With Harvey's fall (figurative and literal) it becomes important to maintain the illusion of him as a figure for hope, even if Batman has to take the blame for his crimes. "I'm whatever Gotham needs me to be."

From the third trailer, it looks like, whether in costume or not, Bruce has devoted his life to Gotham, and he's definitely willing to give the ultimate sacrifice. "You don't owe these people anymore. You've given them everything"...."Not everything...not yet" (best line in the trailer imo)

I don't think he hung up his cape for ALL of the eight year gap. Maybe at some point (even before Bane) he was injured and had to stop. Maybe the peacetime is enough that he can "retire" until the presence of Bane forces him out of retirement.

No matter how this film ends, this eight year gap provides a great opportunity for the WB/DC Comics to do "expanded universe" type stuff showing what has been happening during that gap. I'm thinking an animated mini-series or even an ongoing comic. Maybe we'll get to see this Batman (not Bale of course, but this version of the character) face our favorite rogues after all.
 
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You're right Bruce isn't so much interested in fighting crime for his whole life. I think it is more of a compulsion than something he wants to do. He can't escape being Batman. His stated goal to Alfred in BB was to be a [temporary] symbol to shake people out of apathy, yes. But as Rachel told him in the end, Batman has become his true face, and Bruce Wayne the mask. She has the foresight to see that Bruce's temporary mission is going to take him longer than even he thought...

In TDK it becomes even clearer that Batman is going to be part of Bruce's life for the long haul, whether he likes it or not. He expresses hope to Rachel that they day is coming when Gotham no longer needs Batman. In Bruce's own words Harvey Dent is the symbol of hope for Gotham who doesn't wear a mask. He's optimstic that he will finally get to live a "normal life". Rachel, again, sees the harsh reality that even Bruce doesn't. In the undelivered note, she says she doesn't believe the day will come when Bruce doesn't need Batman. With Harvey's fall (figurative and literal) it becomes important to maintain the illusion of him as a figure for hope, even if Batman has to take the blame for his crimes. "I'm whatever Gotham needs me to be."

From the third trailer, it looks like, whether in costume or not, Bruce has devoted his life to Gotham, and he's definitely willing to give the ultimate sacrifice. "You don't owe these people anymore. You've given them everything"...."Not everything...not yet" (best line in the trailer imo)

I don't think he hung up his cape for ALL of the eight year gap. Maybe at some point (even before Bane) he was injured and had to stop. Maybe the peacetime is enough that he can "retire" until the presence of Bane forces him out of retirement.

No matter how this film ends, this eight year gap provides a great opportunity for the WB/DC Comics to do "expanded universe" type stuff showing what has been happening during that gap. I'm thinking an animated mini-series or even an ongoing comic. Maybe we'll get to see this Batman (not Bale of course, but this version of the character) face our favorite rogues after all.

This would be awesome, but hinges on Nolan leaving what Batman's status is over the 8 years a bit open ended.

If he definitively tells us Bruce has not worn the cowl for 8 yrs, then that kills those possibilities
 
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