The Dark Knight Rises ***USE SPOILER TAGS***

[tomandshell]

Re: The Dark Knight Rises

I agree with Whedon about Batman not really being the focus of The Dark Knight. Batman Begins was a more successful journey into the mind and motivations of Batman. In TDK, he was part of an ensemble and backed off to make room for Ledger, and Eckhart to an extent. I hope that nothing/nobody is allowed to overshadow Batman in TDKR.

 

[crows]

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well maybe Nam will get his wish come true
apparently the Superman Symbol is showing in the Batman poster:

some people are speculating that indeed at the end of Rises there will be an Easter egg of Superman's new movie

 

[tomandshell]

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Some people? Anyone reputable?

To me, that chunk in the poster is just one piece of debris among many. If Superman were to be introduced into Nolan's Batman universe, he wouldn't fit with what has been established.

 

[intothevoid]

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I agree with Whedon about Batman not really being the focus of The Dark Knight. Batman Begins was a more successful journey into the mind and motivations of Batman. In TDK, he was part of an ensemble and backed off to make room for Ledger, and Eckhart to an extent. I hope that nothing/nobody is allowed to overshadow Batman in TDKR.

TDK is the story of the Rise and Fall of Harvey Dent, Batman and Joker are shown as the rival forces pulling him each way, in the end the Joker wins.

However, Batman and Gordon come up with a lie to mask the fact that the Joker won, and TDKR is going to explore the implications of that deception.

I agree Begins is the better film (only slightly) and also agree that TDKR must focus on Bruce Wayne/Batman's journey, and so far I think there's every indication that it will.

But I don't think the shortage of Batman in TDK is necessarily a bad thing, it's just what was needed to tell the story, and I thought it worked extremely well.

well maybe Nam will get his wish come true
apparently the Superman Symbol is showing in the Batman poster:

some people are speculating that indeed at the end of Rises there will be an Easter egg of Superman's new movie

I definitely think that's the Superman symbol in there, but I believe it's just an easter egg in a poster and nothing more. At best it may refer to a potential teaser trailer of MoS that we get with TDKR.

 

[Rackemup]

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It's debris

 

[intothevoid]

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It's debris

Not to my eyes

 

[crows]

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if they want to do Justice League they could may well do what some of you were saying, add a little nod to Superman at the end of this one, like a newspaper clip or something,
Also, with Nolan Producing and co writing the Man of Steel, Maybe that movie is set in Nolan's Batman universe...

 

[bloodgear]

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What's a "teaster"?

 

[SOLIDSNAKE]

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[ame]https://youtu.be/2yq7VAsJe6o[/ame]

 

[intothevoid]

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https://youtu.be/2yq7VAsJe6o

I love this guy.

 

[SOLIDSNAKE]

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[ame]https://youtu.be/wAVgO9WTRtY[/ame]

 

[DarkMagic]

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Again, this is not what I said. You're accusing me of exactly what you're doing. What I said was that it was highly unbelievable that he'd be strolling around with 4th degree burns, pain free and without any risk of infection despite being completely exposed to the environment. A little research will show you that victims with less severe burns are completely wrapped, kept in sterile environments where their bandages are change daily because they're highly subject to severe infection.

You know what? You're right about this! (Not even being sarcastic here). I DID get caught up in defending the details --the plausibility of Two-Faces specific burns, the plausibility of falling from a large height and surviving, etc-- when I should've been focused on the larger point that these details are about:

Batman, the character in general, and Nolan's Bat-universe specifically are both EXAGGERATIONS (read: Not EXACTLY like real life) of things that have happened in real life. Superman, on the other hand, is on another level of fantasy.

You seem to be arguing against the straw man position that Nolan's Batman world = an exact fascimile of the real world...a position that is easily shut down. Since the situations in Nolan's Bat-universe obviously don't match real life--to the letter--we can dismiss the whole thing as fantasy with no rules or boundaries. And everyone knows there are simply only two levels, right? Absolutely no room for different levels of exaggerated reality and gradients, right? Just REAL and NOT REAL.

We live in the EXACTLY REAL. Everything else that isn't EXACTLY like this lives in the ABSOLUTELY NOT REAL.

Since both Nolan's Batman and the idea of Superman cannot fit perfectly in the EXACTLY REAL category, we've got to lump them into the only other possibility that remains, the ABSOLUTELY NOT REAL.

Look! They're in the same category! They should be in the same "anything goes" universe!

Let me know if I've misrepresented your position.

 

[intothevoid]

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https://youtu.be/wAVgO9WTRtY

I love this guy part 2

 

[intothevoid]

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You know what? You're right about this! (Not even being sarcastic here). I DID get caught up in defending the details --the plausibility of Two-Faces specific burns, the plausibility of falling from a large height and surviving, etc-- when I should've been focused on the larger point that these details are about:

Batman, the character in general, and Nolan's Bat-universe specifically are both EXAGGERATIONS (read: Not EXACTLY like real life) of things that have happened in real life. Superman, on the other hand, is on another level of fantasy.

You seem to be arguing against the straw man position that Nolan's Batman world = an exact fascimile of the real world...a position that is easily shut down. Since the situations in Nolan's Bat-universe obviously don't match real life--to the letter--we can dismiss the whole thing as fantasy with no rules or boundaries. And everyone knows there are simply only two levels, right? Absolutely no room for different levels of exaggerated reality and gradients, right? Just REAL and NOT REAL.

We live in the EXACTLY REAL. Everything else that isn't EXACTLY like this lives in the ABSOLUTELY NOT REAL.

Since both Nolan's Batman and the idea of Superman cannot fit perfectly in the EXACTLY REAL category, we've got to lump them into the only other possibility that remains, the ABSOLUTELY NOT REAL.

Look! They're in the same category! They should be in the same "anything goes" universe!

Let me know if I've misrepresented your position.

I think you finally understand Nam's position.

*waits for Nam to charge in and proclaim we both are completely wrong*

 

[thenammagazine]

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well maybe Nam will get his wish come true
apparently the Superman Symbol is showing in the Batman poster:

some people are speculating that indeed at the end of Rises there will be an Easter egg of Superman's new movie

GODDAMIT! That's not what I said!

Not worth going over it again when I've broken it down repeatedly. But if there is a nod in this film, it will be a mistake.

 

[intothevoid]

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There will NOT be any nod in this film

The only thing we could maybe expect is a teaser trailer for MoS

 

[jye4ever]

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I think robin will chicken out and call clark kent for help.

I bet that's the extra scene Nolan shot last week.

 

[Wor-Gar]

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Catwoman will die, Batman will be sad, then run to Robin (JGL).

 

[Deckard]

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I think much more sensible then killing Batman, and more sensible then showing Superman, is to take a page from the Superman/Batman playbook and simply have Bruce fake Batman's death. That way as far as the public knows he died saving them but in the event someone like Joker returns he can still return to protect Gotham. That is IMO the only acceptable way to have him hang up his cape.

 

[jye4ever]

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I hope LOS/Bane have a floating aircraft carrier, 2 camo tumblers isn't going to cut it anymore.