The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

[cmiller99]

I saw this movie on the 27th, and I must say, I enjoyed it although I was bothered by unnecessary deviations from the book, overuse of CGI, some truly weird stuff that bordered on schlock, and issues with physics. Overall, a fitting end to the trilogy. But I'm still not sure what "The Defining Moment" that the trailer bragged about was.

 

[The Ween]

Wait, when did you asked? I saw the first half but I left to see exodus, I really just want to see a better edit of the trilogy. Trimming off the fat sort of speak. I didn't want to leave the theater more upset at Peter Lucas lol



I rather wish i could see the full ending with better editing. Less tainted,

I think I am going to have to settle for getting the DVD and fast forwarding some of the bloated parts,

Whatever everyone feels about the trilogy there is no doubt the editing sucks

Yes, I did ask, but it was some pages back and I'm too lazy to look for it. Got lost in shuffle.

The editing doesn't suck, you just don't like the length of it and want it more condensed. The only problem I have with the flow of it is the black screen at the end of DOS. I didn't care for that.

I remember during the LotR theatrical releases people were saying how they could've made the movies shorter by not showing them walking here and there. Walk, walk, run, run, walk. That's all they did.

 

[The Ween]

I saw this movie on the 27th, and I must say, I enjoyed it although I was bothered by unnecessary deviations from the book, overuse of CGI, some truly weird stuff that bordered on schlock, and issues with physics. Overall, a fitting end to the trilogy. But I'm still not sure what "The Defining Moment" that the trailer bragged about was.

Legolas the Defiler (of physics)

 

[Khev]

I remember during the LotR theatrical releases people were saying how they could've made the movies shorter by not showing them walking here and there. Walk, walk, run, run, walk. That's all they did.

I do actually remember some people complaining about the length of the LOTR trilogy and how "Bakshi's 1978 cartoon found a way to depict the events of both FOTR and TTT in one two hour movie."

 

[furystorm]

Now that was a movie!

 

[The Ween]

I didn't care for it much, but I'm not a cartoon person really.

 

[crows]

Yes, I did ask, but it was some pages back and I'm too lazy to look for it. Got lost in shuffle.

The editing doesn't suck, you just don't like the length of it and want it more condensed. The only problem I have with the flow of it is the black screen at the end of DOS. I didn't care for that.

I remember during the LotR theatrical releases people were saying how they could've made the movies shorter by not showing them walking here and there. Walk, walk, run, run, walk. That's all they did.

you guys can defend the movie and love it and that's okay

but what bothers me about extending the movies from 2 movies to 3 was that it was a financial decision. It wasn't because of pacing issues, it wasn't because it was an artistic decision, or because the source material was too long (like in the case of harry Potter)
They didn't need to extend it, there was no need. it was a decision made because of the dollar signs they had in their eyes

it was all about the Benjamins ... the producers were probably like "how else can we squeeze more money from the fans?"

Movie making itself is a business, I am aware of that (people always like to bring up this fact with movies) but there is a point were the business side takes over the artistic side and it is usually for the worst.
Just like how Iron Man 2 was basically a 2 hour Avengers Trailer.

 

[Khev]

but what bothers me about extending the movies from 2 movies to 3 was that it was a financial decision.

Prove it. Prove that Peter Jackson has been lying when he has said that he just couldn't fit the story that he wanted to tell on screen into two films.

 

[ironwez20]

Somthing I have to ask that may have been discussed before but was thorins cousin cgi? If so then why?

 

[crows]

Prove it. Prove that Peter Jackson has been lying when he has said that he just couldn't fit the story that he wanted to tell on screen into two films.

 

[Khev]

That's what I thought.

 

[crows]

 

[Khev]

Prove that those numbers were the driving force in PJ directing three films and not a byproduct of what he wanted to do artistically. Go ahead. Prove that the guy who could have pocketed umpteen millions but originally PASSED on making the films to the point that another director was literally hired in his place somehow let money be the dominant driving force in how he constructed the story.

 

[crows]

they were ready to make two movies before. if they needed 3 movies why didn't they plan 3 movies from the beginning? seems pretty obvious.
why did he feel that 2 movies were enough then? why change their minds after that was pretty much a done deal?

 

[Khev]

they were ready to make two movies before. if they needed 3 movies why didn't they plan 3 movies from the beginning?

Because filmmaking is an organic process. PJ originally pitched the LOTR to Harvey Weinstein and Miramax as a two picture story. Miramax told him "there are three books, you should make a movie for each book." So both trilogies PJ envisioned as two-parters and then when they really got serious turned into three.

Kill Bill was envisioned as one film and then was split into two and not because of "the money." It happens.

 

[crows]

Because filmmaking is an organic process. PJ originally pitched the LOTR to Harvey Weinstein and Miramax as a two picture story. Miramax told him "there are three books, you should make a movie for each book." So both trilogies PJ envisioned as two-parters and then when they really got serious turned into three.

well, there is only one hobbit book

 

[Khev]

well, there is only one hobbit book

You're missing the point. You couldn't conceive of any reason why someone who thought he'd make two movies would make three for any reason other than he wanted more money. There are reasons. The Hobbit book has more locations than the Star Wars trilogy. The Breakfast Club was an entire movie about some kids hanging out in a library for a few hours. Its not that hard to quickly fill up a movie or two or three especially if you've got tons of different events to depict across many locations.

 

[DEADDACK_33]

Somthing I have to ask that may have been discussed before but was thorins cousin cgi? If so then why?

If I'm not mistaken some scenes were the real actor, others were CGI. I think Billy Connolly made a great dwarf. Loved his speech when he confronts Thranduil/Bard and their armies. Hopefully the EE has some more of Dain.

 

[Irvy]

AUJ is the only one that I felt any attachment to the characters. The ending with Thorin hugging Bilbo is a great emotional moment.

It's weird, I felt nothing when he died.

 

[Jokes & Bats]

It's weird, I felt nothing when he died.

That's because the actor playing him was the wrong choice and he looked nothing like a dwarf and his CGI fight scene on a green screen ice lake was pathetic and it was just thankfully a relief it was over and we didn't have to look at his stupid face (and massive forehead of hair) ever again

Imagine Gimli standing next to Thorin. Which one looks like a dwarf?