The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies

[rivera2171]

That's just his excuse for failure...
The Hobbit was in development for years. They already had a complete script or close to it when BDT was going to direct.

 

[jye4ever]

Before the dark times, before the lawsuits.

 

[Bo Shrek]

When I first saw AUJ I said “OK this looks different from LOTR”. As the second one came along I moved past that. I really have grown to love the Hobbit trilogy. I love that it is three movies. I am in not rush when viewing at home.

There are only a couple of things I wish PJ and company did different:

Beorn’s man design (I never liked it)
Have the Elf King (Thriadrial) sp? Finish his story arch and have received the emeralds he came to the mountain for.
A longer extended ending (ROTK had four). Bilbo seemed that he just wanted to get the **** out of the mountain the second he could. Scenes with travelling home with Beorn, Elf King would have been nice. Back to the cave to get the chest etc. The shield he is carrying I cannot connect with.

That’s it. I love the Hobbit movies. Thanks PJ

 

[Gates70]

If LOTR wasn't made first, people would probably love the Hobbit movies. I for one was disappointed the first time I saw the first Hobbit movie since I was comparing to LOTR, but once I got that out of my head and watched it again, I loved the whole series.

 

[jye4ever]

By DEVIN FARACINov. 19, 2015

It's actually weird how bad The Hobbit films are. Peter Jackson is not a bad filmmaker; in his later years he has become indulgent, but he's always been a competent storyteller. And then The Hobbit films came, and he released three truly bad films in a row (I assume - I have actually never seen the complete Battle of the Five Armies because I simply had to tap out about forty minutes in). What the hell went wrong? According to a behind-the-scenes feature on the new Blu-ray release, Jackson was entirely unprepared and spent the shoot winging it, never having decent storyboards or a script that he liked.


I have never seen a BTS piece as honest as this one (at least for a new movie - usually honesty bubbles up about 20 years after release) and it's clear from the way Jackson talks that this trilogy absolutely defeated him. I recommend you watch the whole thing.

Perhaps the most shocking thing in this video is revealed between the lines: the two Hobbit films became three not because Jackson had too much material but rather because he needed to push the finale of the story back many months in order to figure it out. The production started shooting elements of The Battle of the Five Armies with nothing planned - they just put dudes in costumes in front of green screens and had them wave swords around. Jackson had no vision for the finale!


This is the worst way to make a movie, chasing a release date, and it's insane that a filmmaker like Peter Jackson was forced to work this way. If this guy can't get the studio to give him the time he needs, who can?


The release of this video is Jackson agreeing with us: these are bad movies, and he's trying to explain why they're so very, very bad. Maybe one day he'll return to these films and edit them down to the two movies he originally had in mind, perhaps try to figure out what he would have done had he allowed himself the time to actually plan this mad venture.


The Hobbit will forever be known as an Icarus story. Jackson thought he could just wing it, and he couldn't.

 

[Jokes & Bats]

By DEVIN FARACINov. 19, 2015

It's actually weird how bad The Hobbit films are. Peter Jackson is not a bad filmmaker; in his later years he has become indulgent, but he's always been a competent storyteller. And then The Hobbit films came, and he released three truly bad films in a row (I assume - I have actually never seen the complete Battle of the Five Armies because I simply had to tap out about forty minutes in). What the hell went wrong? According to a behind-the-scenes feature on the new Blu-ray release, Jackson was entirely unprepared and spent the shoot winging it, never having decent storyboards or a script that he liked.


I have never seen a BTS piece as honest as this one (at least for a new movie - usually honesty bubbles up about 20 years after release) and it's clear from the way Jackson talks that this trilogy absolutely defeated him. I recommend you watch the whole thing.

Perhaps the most shocking thing in this video is revealed between the lines: the two Hobbit films became three not because Jackson had too much material but rather because he needed to push the finale of the story back many months in order to figure it out. The production started shooting elements of The Battle of the Five Armies with nothing planned - they just put dudes in costumes in front of green screens and had them wave swords around. Jackson had no vision for the finale!


This is the worst way to make a movie, chasing a release date, and it's insane that a filmmaker like Peter Jackson was forced to work this way. If this guy can't get the studio to give him the time he needs, who can?


The release of this video is Jackson agreeing with us: these are bad movies, and he's trying to explain why they're so very, very bad. Maybe one day he'll return to these films and edit them down to the two movies he originally had in mind, perhaps try to figure out what he would have done had he allowed himself the time to actually plan this mad venture.


The Hobbit will forever be known as an Icarus story. Jackson thought he could just wing it, and he couldn't.

This should be on every page of this thread.

 

[The Ween]

I wonder if the same thing happened to Nolan with TDKR.

 

[The Ween]

This should be on every page of this thread.

Some of us enjoyed his "winging it".

 

[Xenoburger_]

This should be on every page of this thread.

It should be PM'd to Josh.

 

[The Ween]

Before the dark times, before the lawsuits.

Yup....

And here we are just......

AGAIN!

 

[KitFisto]

Yup....

And here we are just......

AGAIN!

Well, I do think getting the production team and Jackson's views makes it worth discussing.

 

[jye4ever]

Yup....

And here we are just......

AGAIN!

I figured it was a good inside Hollywood story.

I actually enjoy learning about all the good AND bad of a movie production.

You know, all the juicy gossip stuff.

 

[The Ween]

Well, I do think getting the production team and Jackson's views makes it worth discussing.

I figured it was a good inside Hollywood story.

I actually enjoy learning about all the good AND bad of a movie production.

You know, all the juicy gossip stuff.

No doubt! But what usually happens whenever this thread gets bumped is the same people come in and have to repeat how much they hate the movie, etc. etc. Same **** different day.

You can tell Jackson struggled with it simply with how much weight he gained during it.

 

[DiFabio]

I like that everyone in the making of is honest about it and saying the stuff people assumed for years now.

While I may not have liked the Hobbit movies and thought they were mediocre compared to Lord of the Rings, you can never fault the behind the scenes documentaries on Jackson's movies. Since 2001 they've always given you a great look at how these were all made. I admire their honesty. Sucks that they didn't hit it out of the park and get more planning and oomph into it like LOTR, but it is what it is. Jackson looks wrecked through most of that shooting.

 

[jye4ever]

PJ has got to be so burnt out by now, Daniel Craig has got nothing on him.

 

[The Ween]

I like that everyone in the making of is honest about it and saying the stuff people assumed for years now.

While I may not have liked the Hobbit movies and thought they were mediocre compared to Lord of the Rings, you can never fault the behind the scenes documentaries on Jackson's movies. Since 2001 they've always given you a great look at how these were all made. I admire their honesty. Sucks that they didn't hit it out of the park and get more planning and oomph into it like LOTR, but it is what it is. Jackson looks wrecked through most of that shooting.

I honestly think movies like LotR are a thing of the past. It's all about the CGI now. Maybe they think the younger audiences now expect it, or maybe it's just cheaper for the studios. In the future they probably won't even use real actors anymore.

 

[PopCultKid]

Do the EE discs have the theatrical versions too?

 

[jye4ever]

I honestly think movies like LotR are a thing of the past. It's all about the CGI now. Maybe they think the younger audiences now expect it, or maybe it's just cheaper for the studios. In the future they probably won't even use real actors anymore.

Jake Lloyd and Hayden Christensen were as close to not being real humans as possible.

 

[cmiller99]

Do the EE discs have the theatrical versions too?

I'm not sure myself but I wouldn't think so.

 

[cmiller99]

And the news WRT Peter Jackson being rushed makes sense IMO. It explains some of the sloppy pacing for sure. I didn't hate these movies by any means, I thought they were disappointing compared to LOTR, but this makes sense when I think about all the problems I had with these movies.