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The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
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rushmore223
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So, Tolkien know-it-all's (meant in a good way) this question isnt so much about the movie, as I am sure they will never appear in the films, but are the two other maiar (sp?) like Gandalf, Radaghast and Saruman ever mentioned in any of Tolkien's other writings or appendices? I thought Gandalf mentioned in the EE they were both Blue Wizards but he doesnt remember their names.
Just curious as to what they were doing around the time of Hobbit and LOTR.
Just curious as to what they were doing around the time of Hobbit and LOTR.
Njits
Super Freak
Saw Desolation of Smaug, it was alright, liked the first one more. The amount of CG used in this one though is beyond ridiculous. Sigh......
Also the
Overall, liked it. But still no where near the level of the lord of the rings. It was a fun popcorn flick. Grade: B. Also some of the green screen use was really really bad, I could see the set parts transition into green screen nothingness very clearly at some scenes.
Also the
scene with Gandlalf Dragon Ball Z-ing with Sauron was so dumb, it was just pure fan service. Where is the restraint?! Where's the mystery? The ball of light stuff was just...not good, really bad.
Overall, liked it. But still no where near the level of the lord of the rings. It was a fun popcorn flick. Grade: B. Also some of the green screen use was really really bad, I could see the set parts transition into green screen nothingness very clearly at some scenes.
attom44
Super Freak
We went to see it today at the IMAX and I was completely blown away.. will have to see it one or two times more.. I never do that...
rushmore223
Super Freak
Nevermind, found this, thought it was interesting so I'll share...
The Blue Wizards (or the Ithryn Luin) were two notoriously mysterious characters of Middle-earth, so-named because they both wore sea-blue robes. They were only hinted at in The Lord of the Rings, where Saruman says there are five Wizards and in The Hobbit, where Gandalf says there are five wizards. However, other writings of Tolkien have more to say. In a writing found in [1], Tolkien writes that the two Wizards were sent to the East. Their names in Valinor were Alatar and Pallando, and they are Maiar of the Vala Oromë.
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HistoryEditThe Blue Wizards
Added by Darth MantusIn a letter, Tolkien says that these two wizards went into the East, and likely failed their mission, perhaps having started magical cults.[2] However, all of this changes in a text written in the last year or two of Tolkien's life.[3] An alternate set of names are given - Morinehtar and Rómestámo (or Romestar), Darkness-slayer and East-helper. It is not clear whether these names were intended to be replacements for Alatar and Pallando or whether they were a second set of names (for instance, their names used in Middle-earth).
They are said to have arrived not in the Third Age, but in the Second, around the year SA 1600, the time of the Forging of the One Ring. Their mission though is still to the east, to weaken the forces of Sauron . And it is here said that the Wizards far from failed; rather, they had a pivotal role in the victories of the West at the end of both the Second and the Third Ages. Glorfindel was likely also, Tolkien mentioned later, a shipmate of the Wizards, for he reappears in history about that time.[1]
EtymologyEditLike most names in Tolkien's works, the names of the Blue Wizards are significant. The name Romestamo means East-helper, coming from the Quenya word romen, meaning uprising, sunrise, east. Here, Rómestámo incorporates not only his relation to the East of Middle-earth, but also his mission there: to encourage uprising and rebellion against Sauron. Similarly, Pallando may include the Quenyan palan meaning far: while Ala- is a stem meaning "spread", and Tar, Taure is a forest-name meaning dark woods.
Accordingly the Valinorean names may equate "Far-seer" (Pallando) and "Wide-forest" or "Forest-spreader" (Alatar), with reference perhaps to their unique provinces, Pallando over foresight and Alatar over trees, as Aiwendil (Radagast) was over beasts. Morinehtar includes the elemets mor- darkness (cf. mornië) and -ehtar (cf. Telumehtar "warrior of the heavens" as a name given to the constellation Orion, though here translated "warrior").
Portrayal in adaptationsEditIn Peter Jackson's Film Trilogy the Blue Wizards are never mentioned by name, only referenced with "the rods of the five wizards" by Saruman in the extended cut of the third film.
In The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, when Bilbo asks Gandalf if there are any other wizards in Middle-earth, Gandalf states there are "five of us": himself, Radagast, Saruman, and the two Blue Wizards, but he has "quite forgotten their names". The exclusion of the Blue wizards' names from that film, according to Peter Jackson in the director's commentary to the extended edition, was due to the film makers' not having acquired rights to the entirety of Tolkien's works, only to The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. The wizards' names are never mentioned in the four books they had rights to, so they were not able to name them in the movies.
The Blue Wizards (or the Ithryn Luin) were two notoriously mysterious characters of Middle-earth, so-named because they both wore sea-blue robes. They were only hinted at in The Lord of the Rings, where Saruman says there are five Wizards and in The Hobbit, where Gandalf says there are five wizards. However, other writings of Tolkien have more to say. In a writing found in [1], Tolkien writes that the two Wizards were sent to the East. Their names in Valinor were Alatar and Pallando, and they are Maiar of the Vala Oromë.
Contents[show]
HistoryEditThe Blue Wizards
Added by Darth MantusIn a letter, Tolkien says that these two wizards went into the East, and likely failed their mission, perhaps having started magical cults.[2] However, all of this changes in a text written in the last year or two of Tolkien's life.[3] An alternate set of names are given - Morinehtar and Rómestámo (or Rome
star), Darkness-slayer and East-helper. It is not clear whether these names were intended to be replacements for Alatar and Pallando or whether they were a second set of names (for instance, their names used in Middle-earth). They are said to have arrived not in the Third Age, but in the Second, around the year SA 1600, the time of the Forging of the One Ring. Their mission though is still to the east, to weaken the forces of Sauron . And it is here said that the Wizards far from failed; rather, they had a pivotal role in the victories of the West at the end of both the Second and the Third Ages. Glorfindel was likely also, Tolkien mentioned later, a shipmate of the Wizards, for he reappears in history about that time.[1]
EtymologyEditLike most names in Tolkien's works, the names of the Blue Wizards are significant. The name Romestamo means East-helper, coming from the Quenya word romen, meaning uprising, sunrise, east. Here, Rómestámo incorporates not only his relation to the East of Middle-earth, but also his mission there: to encourage uprising and rebellion against Sauron. Similarly, Pallando may include the Quenyan palan meaning far: while Ala- is a stem meaning "spread", and Tar, Taure is a forest-name meaning dark woods.
Accordingly the Valinorean names may equate "Far-seer" (Pallando) and "Wide-forest" or "Forest-spreader" (Alatar), with reference perhaps to their unique provinces, Pallando over foresight and Alatar over trees, as Aiwendil (Radagast) was over beasts. Morinehtar includes the elemets mor- darkness (cf. mornië) and -ehtar (cf. Telumehtar "warrior of the heavens" as a name given to the constellation Orion, though here translated "warrior").
Portrayal in adaptationsEditIn Peter Jackson's Film Trilogy the Blue Wizards are never mentioned by name, only referenced with "the rods of the five wizards" by Saruman in the extended cut of the third film.
In The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, when Bilbo asks Gandalf if there are any other wizards in Middle-earth, Gandalf states there are "five of us": himself, Radagast, Saruman, and the two Blue Wizards, but he has "quite forgotten their names". The exclusion of the Blue wizards' names from that film, according to Peter Jackson in the director's commentary to the extended edition, was due to the film makers' not having acquired rights to the entirety of Tolkien's works, only to The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. The wizards' names are never mentioned in the four books they had rights to, so they were not able to name them in the movies.
My wife still needs to see it, i'm in.
Sweet! I'll see ya next Saturday.
They are mentioned. I can't think of their names off the top of my head (kind of like Gandalf). Gandalf can't recall their names because of legal reasons as they don't have the rights to use those names.
Finally saw it. Amazing! I loved it. Still trying to digest it.....but wow. I was very impressed. Smaug and Legolas, holy hell.: Google
If TABA can top this one (and the 3rd is supposed to be emotional PJ says) Man what a treat that will be.
The Chev
Super Freak
I have no doubts this is going to be the cherry on top of a pretty damn good set of films.
The Chev
Super Freak
I have no doubts this is going to be the cherry on top of a pretty damn good set of films.
Honestly, some of the criticisms being thrown at the Hobbit could also be applied to LOTR if you think about it.
Darth Waller
Are you on the square?
Well said. I agree completely.
I agree. I don't recall all the bickering about the movies. I didn't start posting here until the end of the trilogy so all I ever saw were posts on TORn's FP. From what I understand other staffers said it matches a lot with what was said back then.
The Chev
Super Freak
The only difference I notice is that the Critics are not raving about this as much as the LOTR.
And while after seeing DoS I can see where the CGI comments are coming from, but it never bothered me in DoS.
CGI in LOTR wasn't the greatest at times. You either go with the film, or you don't.
Also, TABA will have a unique aspect about it that the other films will not.
Most of the story takes place in the same area. No walking and traveling that much for main characters, except at the end I suspect.
The Chev
Super Freak
Really? I live right down the street from there.
I went to the Marcus Ultrascreen, but it wasn't playing on the ultrascreen in HFR which is what I wanted to see it in.
This is true its mostly in one place. I'll be curious to see how they handle him going home.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug had a mighty debut this weekend, though it still fell noticeably short of its predecessor.
Smaug banked an estimated $73.7 million, which ranks fourth all-time in the month of December. Unfortunately, it's off 13 percent from last year's The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, which set the December record with $84.6 million. It's also lower than I Am Legend ($77.2 million) and Avatar ($77 million).
When An Unexpected Journey opened last year, it was benefiting from nine years of pent-up demand for a follow-up to The Lord of the Rings, which is one of the most widely loved franchises ever. Audiences weren't as enamored with An Unexpected Journey, though, which made a subsequent drop for Smaug seem inevitable. The fact that Smaug was able to retain such a large percentage of the audience is a tribute to the loyalty of the fanbase, and also to a strong marketing effort that made Smaug look much more exciting than its predecessor.
Aside from the tepid response to the first movie, Smaug was also held back by additional competition from holdovers (Frozen, Catching Fire), another new release (A Madea Christmas) and the fact that the highly-anticipated Anchorman 2 arrives in a few days. Finally, nasty snowstorms in the northeast also likely had a minor effect, though bad weather tends to be an overrated factor. For example, even though the storms mainly hit on Saturday, Smaug's 22 percent Friday-to-Saturday drop was an improvement over its predecessor's 25 percent drop.
The movie's audience was 60 percent male and 64 percent over 25 years of age. In comparison, An Unexpected Journey was 57 percent male and 58 percent over 25. 3D showings accounted for 49 percent of the gross, which is identical to the first movie. That 3D figure is inclusive of IMAX, which brought in $9.2 million (12.5 percent).
While most reviews suggest Smaug is a step up from An Unexpected Journey, audiences didn't necessarily agree: they awarded the movie an "A-" CinemaScore, which is off from the first movie's "A" score.
If Smaug follows An Unexpected Journey's pattern from here, it will ultimately wind up with over $260 million.
The first Hobbit earned $714 million overseas—if Smaug falls short of that, it probably won't be by much.
Smaug banked an estimated $73.7 million, which ranks fourth all-time in the month of December. Unfortunately, it's off 13 percent from last year's The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, which set the December record with $84.6 million. It's also lower than I Am Legend ($77.2 million) and Avatar ($77 million).
When An Unexpected Journey opened last year, it was benefiting from nine years of pent-up demand for a follow-up to The Lord of the Rings, which is one of the most widely loved franchises ever. Audiences weren't as enamored with An Unexpected Journey, though, which made a subsequent drop for Smaug seem inevitable. The fact that Smaug was able to retain such a large percentage of the audience is a tribute to the loyalty of the fanbase, and also to a strong marketing effort that made Smaug look much more exciting than its predecessor.
Aside from the tepid response to the first movie, Smaug was also held back by additional competition from holdovers (Frozen, Catching Fire), another new release (A Madea Christmas) and the fact that the highly-anticipated Anchorman 2 arrives in a few days. Finally, nasty snowstorms in the northeast also likely had a minor effect, though bad weather tends to be an overrated factor. For example, even though the storms mainly hit on Saturday, Smaug's 22 percent Friday-to-Saturday drop was an improvement over its predecessor's 25 percent drop.
The movie's audience was 60 percent male and 64 percent over 25 years of age. In comparison, An Unexpected Journey was 57 percent male and 58 percent over 25. 3D showings accounted for 49 percent of the gross, which is identical to the first movie. That 3D figure is inclusive of IMAX, which brought in $9.2 million (12.5 percent).
While most reviews suggest Smaug is a step up from An Unexpected Journey, audiences didn't necessarily agree: they awarded the movie an "A-" CinemaScore, which is off from the first movie's "A" score.
If Smaug follows An Unexpected Journey's pattern from here, it will ultimately wind up with over $260 million.
The first Hobbit earned $714 million overseas—if Smaug falls short of that, it probably won't be by much.
jye4ever
Broke and happy
https://badassdigest.com/2013/12/15/the-ten-most-disappointing-movies-of-2013/
I've read some arguments that The Hobbit films shouldn't be judged against The Lord of the Rings, but that's madness. It's the same director and many of the same actors, working from related source material. It's one hundred percent comparable to The Lord of the Rings, and it's a thousand times worse. With all of the money and talent at his disposal Peter Jackson has managed to make a movie that is the cinematic equivalent of busywork, a whole lot of hustle and bustle without any humanity within it. At least the Transformers films - also pointless exercises in bloat and digital ******y - weren't connected to something grander. While Desolation of Smaug is at least not as tedious as An Unexpected Journey, it remains one of the most disappointing movies of the year because we know Peter Jackson and Middle Earth can be so, so much better and fulfilling.
I've read some arguments that The Hobbit films shouldn't be judged against The Lord of the Rings, but that's madness. It's the same director and many of the same actors, working from related source material. It's one hundred percent comparable to The Lord of the Rings, and it's a thousand times worse. With all of the money and talent at his disposal Peter Jackson has managed to make a movie that is the cinematic equivalent of busywork, a whole lot of hustle and bustle without any humanity within it. At least the Transformers films - also pointless exercises in bloat and digital ******y - weren't connected to something grander. While Desolation of Smaug is at least not as tedious as An Unexpected Journey, it remains one of the most disappointing movies of the year because we know Peter Jackson and Middle Earth can be so, so much better and fulfilling.
It came up shorter than I wanted but it still a solid opening weekend. Some of the wait and see attitude did come from people were not totally happy with AUJ. However, I would be curious how much the crappy weather the east coast had an effect. Lots of folks from the Mid-West east may not have gone to the theater not just to see DOS but any of the movies. Numbers were down across the board this weekend.
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