Maybe he's in the theater for the 5th showing yelling Why!? Damn you, Lucas!
He seemed to be committed to seeing it all weekend long, regardless of quality.
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Maybe he's in the theater for the 5th showing yelling Why!? Damn you, Lucas!
He seemed to be committed to seeing it all weekend long, regardless of quality.
There's a reason he hasn't chimed in... and I want to know.
Dusty
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Just saw it. It was fun. Was not disappointed at all...but then, hadn't worked myself into a fever pitch of anticipation either. Really liked the understated homage to Marcus and Henry, Sr. Would've been nice to have seen some reference to Sallah as well. One of the minuses was Karen Allen. I'm sorry, but that gal is not that great an actress. In the original, she was young, feisty, and was blessed with great dialogue. Dialogue was not quite as clever this go around and she didn't have it to lean on. She was just kinda *there*, and the Indy/Marion interactions felt forced. And when in same frame with Cate....she practically disappeared.
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Well TOD was different too, in a good way. 
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Yeah, it sounded like in the last page that some people don't exactly know what a "crusade" was and how the title referred to it.
Anywho, the more I think about it, the more I actually do love this movie. Personally, I think that one of the main problems people may have with it is the fact that they didn't expect the movie to go THAT far out into left field. Sure, we expected it to have all the aliens and stuff, but we didn't exactly expect things to go as crazy as it did in the finale. As Indy fans, we knew we should stretch out imagination, but weren't expecting to have stretch it that far. In the other movies, things were very much grounded in reality. There were only a few moments in each movie that deal with actual supernatural stuff. Most of the time it was just big it-could-really-happen action. In KOTCS, there were a lot more occurences of "weird" stuff, and we wanted the older balance. Most of us, myself including, are pretty peeved that they didn't have more practical effects. While the effects were well don, you can still tell what isn't real. It all may look better on a smaller screen. The overabundance of CG with the jungle chase and the "finale" were far more than we were expecting.
Also, I think people were expecting a bit much from a 19 year hiatus. This wasn't meant to be the single greatest movie of all time or anything. It was just meant to be a big fun movie like the others, and nothing more. It was built to feel like that big fun 2 hour action packed movie of the week like they were back in the day.
But honestly, if ya sleep on it and give it time, I think you'll like it more and more.
Anywho, the more I think about it, the more I actually do love this movie. Personally, I think that one of the main problems people may have with it is the fact that they didn't expect the movie to go THAT far out into left field. Sure, we expected it to have all the aliens and stuff, but we didn't exactly expect things to go as crazy as it did in the finale. As Indy fans, we knew we should stretch out imagination, but weren't expecting to have stretch it that far. In the other movies, things were very much grounded in reality. There were only a few moments in each movie that deal with actual supernatural stuff. Most of the time it was just big it-could-really-happen action. In KOTCS, there were a lot more occurences of "weird" stuff, and we wanted the older balance. Most of us, myself including, are pretty peeved that they didn't have more practical effects. While the effects were well don, you can still tell what isn't real. It all may look better on a smaller screen. The overabundance of CG with the jungle chase and the "finale" were far more than we were expecting.
Also, I think people were expecting a bit much from a 19 year hiatus. This wasn't meant to be the single greatest movie of all time or anything. It was just meant to be a big fun movie like the others, and nothing more. It was built to feel like that big fun 2 hour action packed movie of the week like they were back in the day.
But honestly, if ya sleep on it and give it time, I think you'll like it more and more.
Dusty
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I actually think it may work out the other way - ala Phantom Menace. That some people saying they liked it will sleep on it and discover that their minds have been playing tricks on them due to their Indy nostalgia. Like being drugged.
I freely admit that happened to me with TPM. Now I'm older and wiser enough to catch and halt the symptoms early with this one
I found myself trying to convince myself that I liked it up until about halfway through, even though I knew from the first scene with Indy that it wasn't that great... then it just went downhill from there. And the more I think about it and sleep on it, the less and less I like any part of it that I even remotely liked at the screening.Obviously everyone is different, so no one is saying anything about you personally for liking it - hope this thread can keep it civil and not break down into flame wars due to passion! Hell, I like X-Men 3 for goodness' sake
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Don't let nostalgia cloud your judgment, that's the easy pass for this movie. I'd say Episode I is better than KOTCS. That's right, I said it.
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I actually think it may work out the other way - ala Phantom Menace. That some people saying they liked it will sleep on it and discover that their minds have been playing tricks on them due to their Indy nostalgia. Like being drugged.
I freely admit that happened to me with TPM. Now I'm older and wiser enough to catch and halt the symptoms early with this one
Obviously everyone is different, so not saying anything about you personally for liking it - hope this thread can keep it civil and not break down into flame wars due to passion! Hell, I like X-Men 3 for goodness' sake
I guess it really could be different from person to person, I can't deny that.
Well, I guess ya just gotta take it for what it it really is. The thing with Star Wars though, since he was dealing with prequels, he had to show the start of this big epic story that he already created. People can jsut be unhappy with those movies so much easier than KOTCS since you may dissapoint someone who thought the beginning would be so much more awesome or epic. KOTCS was just a continuation, nothing more, and the stories aren't even dependant on each other. But like it may come down to most hyped movies, people were just expecting more.
Yeah, people getting uncivil can ruin anything. Thankfully, it's been pretty cool so far. Sure there have been mean comments concerning the movie, but at least no shots at another persons opinion on it.
Nope, I actually really like the movie, and it was because I slept on it that I liekd it even more.
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Fair enough, agree to disagree.
I actually think it may work out the other way - ala Phantom Menace. That some people saying they liked it will sleep on it and discover that their minds have been playing tricks on them due to their Indy nostalgia. Like being drugged.
I freely admit that happened to me with TPM. Now I'm older and wiser enough to catch and halt the symptoms early with this one
I 100% agree with ya Dusty...
Hell, I like X-Men 3 for goodness' sake
Until I read that...
The remainder of Summer now rests solely in Batman's hands.
Hellboy will rock too I reckon.
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Just got back, and I thought it was a blast. Yeah, it was silly at times, but in a good way, not like TPM. I won't bother ranking it against the old flicks, I'll just say it was a fun Indy adventure and a good capper (hopefully) to the series.
Oh, I have to make special mention of Cate Blanchett, she was a wonderful villain, right up there with Belloq. She was also stunning to look at. When they do a close up on her, her eyes are spectacular.
Oh, I have to make special mention of Cate Blanchett, she was a wonderful villain, right up there with Belloq. She was also stunning to look at. When they do a close up on her, her eyes are spectacular.
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I liked it, but I'm not going to sit and argue why I did and others did not.
I actually think it may work out the other way - ala Phantom Menace. That some people saying they liked it will sleep on it and discover that their minds have been playing tricks on them due to their Indy nostalgia. Like being drugged.
I freely admit that happened to me with TPM. Now I'm older and wiser enough to catch and halt the symptoms early with this one
Actually, I think this will be the exact opposite. It's a very flawed movie (and probably the weakest in the franchise, which disappoints me)... but I do think those of you who completely hate it will soften a bit in time, wheras the prequels have the opposite effect. There is enough here that makes it much easier to digest upon multiple viewings, which I've already experienced.
It might be the Anti-TPM in that regard.
The script was weak, weak, WEAK. That's one thing that repeated viewings won't forgive.
But OMG Lucas is going to seem like Nostradamus thanks to some of the reactions we're witnessing here.
Like I said many pages ago, your mileage may vary.
Y'know, another element to this -- why people who don't like it are reacting like somebody shot their dog -- is that it isn't just Spielberg, Ford, Lucas, and Allen who've aged. We're not the same moviegoers we were when Raiders came out, and in the passing years we've come to feel an ownership of these characters (which is a good thing for Sideshow). It's hard to view something new with fresh eyes if we're hoping it will rekindle something old, and we're not even the same as we were back when that flame first sparked.
Maybe I liked KOCS because I was never out-of-this-world in love with the old films, I just liked them. They were never something I put on a pedestal. I don't even really remember the second one except that it was noisy. I think I only saw it once, in the theater. A lot of the comments I've read make me want to watch the DVD now.
Y'know, another element to this -- why people who don't like it are reacting like somebody shot their dog -- is that it isn't just Spielberg, Ford, Lucas, and Allen who've aged. We're not the same moviegoers we were when Raiders came out, and in the passing years we've come to feel an ownership of these characters (which is a good thing for Sideshow). It's hard to view something new with fresh eyes if we're hoping it will rekindle something old, and we're not even the same as we were back when that flame first sparked.
Maybe I liked KOCS because I was never out-of-this-world in love with the old films, I just liked them. They were never something I put on a pedestal. I don't even really remember the second one except that it was noisy. I think I only saw it once, in the theater. A lot of the comments I've read make me want to watch the DVD now.
You know what? Everyone was so worried about Harrison Ford's age making it not feel like a true INDY movie when it turns out it is probably Spielberg and Lucas' aging that actually had that affect on the movie. Seriously, the banter between characters and the action scenes were what truly disappointed me. This was LOST WORLD Spielberg, unfortunately.
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