The "I've Seen Indy IV" Thread (No Spoilers Please)

[Wor-Gar]

Was it CGI? Was he surrounded by hundreds of CGI monkeys? Did he swing from vine to vine like Tarzan?

And he'd been in the field for years - vine swinging is part of his life. Mutt's a high-school dropout mechanic who's never set food in a jungle in his life - just sayin' is all

OUCH! My eyes! I haven't seen this yet! No spoilers please.

 

[icruise]

THANK YOU! Finally, someone agrees with me on Transformers... Shia was the only good thing about it, well maybe Megan Fox.. But it was a mess of a film.

KOTCS was much better than that, I have to say.

Funny, when I was sitting in the theater watching KOTC, Shia's performance made me think that I should really watch Transformers again. Granted, there are issues with both films, but I personally would take Transformers over KOTC any day of the week. It may simply be a matter of expectations. I had low expectations for Transformers (and hate Michael Bay in general) so it seemed great. I really wanted Indy to be fantastic, and it was merely good.

 

[thedarkknight]

THANK YOU! Finally, someone agrees with me on Transformers... Shia was the only good thing about it, well maybe Megan Fox.. But it was a mess of a film.

KOTCS was much better than that, I have to say.

I agree on Transformers. That movie was like was steel-towed kick in the groin. Ed Wood made better movies than that!

An old friend comes over every Saturday and we have movie night. Since Transformers, we now have new comparison for the lowest of the low. It used to be Glen or Glenda, but we can at least laugh at that one.

 

[teemu]

I'd say they were pretty far-fetched.... In Raiders, Indy was shot several times... he was drug behind a truck and UNDER it. He was beaten to a pulp, even hitched a ride on a U Boat for God knows how long with NO explanation.

In Doom, hearts were being ripped from people's chests while they remained alive. Mind control, jumping out of a plane with a blow up raft..

Crusade didn't have much craziness.

And spellcheck never hurt anybody bro...

sure, I still think this one is the most far-fetched of the bunch....

 

[carbo-fation]

Saw it tonight. It was alright, but def. the weakest of the bunch. Some scenes were pretty cheesy but the 'adventure' part of the movie was pretty fun. And Ford still looked good considering his age.

 

[DarkArtist81]

sure, I still think this one is the most far-fetched of the bunch....

I still think it is too, but I think that depends on your stance on Aliens... and if you think they are too "fake" to be part of the Indiana Jones storyline.

And yeah,Transformers... while an ok popcorn flick.. worthy of maybe 2-3 viewings.. it was not a classic in any way, not something I will watch over and over again into my golden years. But this Indy film will be, at least to me.

 

[Dusty]

I'd say they were pretty far-fetched.... In Raiders, Indy was shot several times... he was drug behind a truck and UNDER it. He was beaten to a pulp, even hitched a ride on a U Boat for God knows how long with NO explanation.

In Doom, hearts were being ripped from people's chests while they remained alive. Mind control, jumping out of a plane with a blow up raft..

Crusade didn't have much craziness.

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If you are HONESTLY comparing those to surviving ground zero of a nuclear blast in a refrigerator - not only surviving, but walking away unscratched... I... I... well, I actually have no idea what allegory to use here, I'm that speechless...


Now I must go home and watch some Battlestar (or Colbert Report ) to clear my mind

 

[DarkArtist81]

Well, I agree Dusty... that was pretty crazy. But it just didn't bother me at all. I've always seen the Indy films as action adventure fantasies. They are meant to be almost unbelievable.

And besides, bombs weren't as strong back then and refrigerators were built better in those days.

And man, stepping into this thread with a positive feeling about this movie is hard... I guess my Rocky Avatar is pretty accurate, feel like I just went 10 rounds with Apollo Creed.

 

[icruise]

Well, it was a lead lined refrigerator.

The thing about that scene is that it really had no connection to anything. They could have easily left it out and the movie might have seemed a tad less far fetched.

 

[phoenixram1977]

I can deal with The Ark Of The Covenant releasing the spirits, a man ripping the beating heart of a man who is screamin' and The Holy Grail saving Indy's dad. But, for some reason I could'nt stand watching the ending to this one. I don't know why, but for me the ending ruined the movie entirely!! Maybe a more subtle ending, that leaves the audience wondering, would have been satifying for me? Don't know?

 

[Seretur]

Dusty, there are nuclear bombs and nuclear bombs.

Your garden-variety A-bomb can be either plutonium or uranium, and the radiation varies accordingly. Lead will insulate you from much of the exposure in the initial wave, and the rest can indeed be scrubbed off.

The most implausible thing there is actually surviving the HUGE toss in the fridge, but this is the guy who survived parachuting in an inflatable raft, remember.

We tend to use fusion H-bombs these days, which are vastly more deadly, but that's not the I LIKE IKE one that was exploded in the movie.

Also, the very fact that the US were still test-exploding A-bombs 12 years after Hiroshima is a sly reference to the theory that the Americans just stole those from the Germans, and never knew what exactly they had. But that's a whole other conspiracy theory in a movie rife with them...

 

[scubasteve]

Just got back.

This movie doesn't exist for me.

Period.

 

[DarkArtist81]

Dusty, there are nuclear bombs and nuclear bombs.

Your garden-variety A-bomb can be either plutonium or uranium, and the radiation varies accordingly. Lead will insulate you from much of the exposure in the initial wave, and the rest can indeed be scrubbed off.

The most implausible thing there is actually surviving the HUGE toss in the fridge, but this is the guy who survived parachuting in an inflatable raft, remember.

We tend to use fusion H-bombs these days, which are vastly more deadly, but that's not the I LIKE IKE one that was exploded in the movie.

Also, the very fact that the US were still test-exploding A-bombs 12 years after Hiroshima is a sly reference to the theory that the Americans just stole those from the Germans, and never knew what exactly they had. But that's a whole other conspiracy theory in a movie rife with them...

Exactly. The only thing that was hard to swallow for me was the HUGE ride he went for while in the fridge. But again, if you can believe the raft jump in TOD... this isn't that much of a stretch.

 

[IrishJedi]

I can deal with The Ark Of The Covenant releasing the spirits, a man ripping the beating heart of a man who is screamin' and The Holy Grail saving Indy's dad. But, for some reason I could'nt stand watching the ending to this one. I don't know why, but for me the ending ruined the movie entirely!! Maybe a more subtle ending, that leaves the audience wondering, would have been satifying for me? Don't know?

That's an odd reaction, considering alien life and even visitation is actually more plausible than the stuff you mentioned above.

 

[DarkArtist81]

For myself... a "true believer" so to speak, of aliens... it seemed plausible. I think that Aliens have been here before and will be again. There is life out there, would be an awfully lonely universe if it weren't so.

 

[die]

Saw it tonight.

I've got a couple of questions for the people here who grew-up on the original Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies. Do you watch the old movies now & sit there and say "man that looks so fake !" ?

I know I don't. I still love seeing Nazis getting their faces melted off and Indy dragged under a truck. In fact, that looks way more real & feels way more real to me than the overload of CG stuff that they try to pack into the new movies. Let's face it, they tend to go overboard with the CG these days.

Do you really need to see Yoda get a piggyback ride from Chewie or have Darth Vader build C3p0 from spare parts to make your Star Wars experience complete?

Don't get me wrong, nostalgia is important to me. It's important to all of us & that's why we buy most of the stuff we collect, but I don't want some blatant Raiders references in my new Indy movies & character tie-ins, name-dropping in my new Star Wars movies to be the main way of selling me on the story. I certainly don't want tons of CG to try to tell the story. You end up with movies that really can't stand on their own.

I hope there's a revival of classic movie making one day. I'd like to see classic storytelling where you really felt something. Emphasis on the story & characters rather than the CG graphics & the merchandising. When you put somebody in front of a green screen all day & ask them to pretend somebody or something is there, it's going to show in the final product. I think it's a shame when once "epic" movie makers get old and end up making "pretty decent" movies and a whole lot of money in the process and it leaves me feeling somewhat insulted when they try to use "references" from the old movies to sell me on the whole deal.

In closing...pretty decent movie, but I left feeling somewhat insulted.

 

[phoenixram1977]

I agree. Insulted is the word I was looking for. And by the way all the religous stuff in the Indy movies is fine for me, I can deal with all that. This is coming from someone who is agnostic. I guess cause its faith based and people still hold on to religion. But aliens? Come on.....I know yeah, yeah we don't really know if religion is real either blah, blah so its the same concept, but...come on for this movie? Its Indy not X-Files.

 

[LOTRFan]

I've got a couple of questions for the people here who grew-up on the original Star Wars and Indiana Jones movies. Do you watch the old movies now & sit there and say "man that looks so fake !" ?

I could not agree with you more -- nor could my 6 and 5 year old kiddos for that matter -- they even pick up on the Cantina aliens, which are "real" and which are CG. I'll take a studio prop Millennium Falcon over a CG Dooku on CG teeter-totter any day, or Obi-Wan on lizard bird.

Realism for the most part just isn't there yet (Gollum, Kong and Weta in general being exceptions), see the new Hulk film for evidence of that.

 

[Jair]

I agree. Insulted is the word I was looking for. And by the way all the religous stuff in the Indy movies is fine for me, I can deal with all that. This is coming from someone who is agnostic. I guess cause its faith based and people still hold on to religion. But aliens? Come on.....I know yeah, yeah we don't really know if religion is real either blah, blah so its the same concept, but...come on for this movie? Its Indy not X-Files.

Dunno I really see no difference movie wise from belief in Aliens as an ancient people who helped nudge cultures in a certain path, then the belief in a golden ark that shot death rays, a cup made by christ that gave everlasting life (as long as you stayed behind the seal) or mystical stones that gave life to the village where it was placed.

I think we all invest a certain amount of emotion to these movies, especially the ones we really love and always feel a bit let down when they don't match up to the love, I think a lof of hard core Indy fans wouldn't have liked anything really and I think there are those who have minimal investment in the character who liked it just fine, I don't think one or the other is better, but your mileage on any sequal is going to vary.

I'd prefer to see this Indy movie over Phantom Menace any day and I'm a fan of both Indiana Jones and Star Wars. I don't think any Indy movie is going to top the classicness (is that even a word) of Raiders but this Indy can still be enjoyed on it's own.


Evan

 

[IrishJedi]

People, we knew there was an alien element to this movie for months (years, in fact). Why all the sudden shock and disdain over what was there from the very beginning?

Also, many people apparently ignored the Lucas/Spielberg/Frank Marshall interviews during the making of the movie where they explicitly compared this to a 1950's sci-fi B-movie.