The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[DarkChocobi]

If this show didn?t have the star wars name and characters it would have never made it on the air.

It is so amateur. The scripts are awful. Terrible casting and acting. Nothing makes any sense.

Can I ask what the main character?s goal is in this series? Oh yeah ? It?s NOTHING.

All they had to do was give him a frickin? purpose. I need to get from Point A to B for reason X.

Then, there are obstacles/characters in Episodes 2 thru 7 that I need to beat in order to reach Episode 8 where I will achieve my goal.

It?s what you learn about storytelling in kindergarten, right?

You always have the TROS as an alternative, or Sequel to look back to

 

[xipotec]

Its not an isolated complaint.

Whats the rush? Well are 5 episodes in and there has been no plot progression at all.

Mostly its been eye candy. While I am enjoying the sites and sounds as well, There is not much rewatch value.

How many episodes per year will be eye candy and how many with a plot and character progression?

My guess is its the Xfiles format. Single weekly episodes and maybe 3 arc episodes. The only issue is the single episodes are just kinda meh.....

Interesting talk here at well.

?The Mandalorian is a 100 million dollar show about nothing?

https://www.reddit.com/r/televisio...urce=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


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[Craig Walker]

Strong start (promising) for the show, but it's just meandering now. "Hey look, a reference to the OT or PT!!"

The vampire teeth twilek was just plain stupid. "HISS!" gawd awful.

Sets growing sterile, not the SW vibe. They are losing me.

Starting to feel like TV Star Trek.


I did laugh at "intruder alert!", nice nod to Berserk.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

I again enjoyed watching the latest episode despite some nits but I do agree that it has kinda become a "monster of the week" show since episode 3. It's still entertaining but it's definitely detoured away from how it began, which wouldn't be such a problem if there were 15-20 episodes to a season.

 

[Otomofan]

I'm glad there's not gonna be 22 episodes a season. I got so burnt out and sick of that old network TV procedural formula years ago.

This is a very simple show. It's just a guy going on adventures, wandering from town to town, like in Kung Fu.

Why do people need it to be more than that? I don't remember anyone ever promising some kind of groundbreaking work of genius that would change the way we think about television forever. I saw the trailer months ago; it looked like a cool show with a gritty vibe set in the SW universe. That's what it is.

If you've watched the 6 available eps and don't like it, I guess I'd say quit watching. I doubt the last two are gonna be much different.

I'm glad I'm not the only one enjoying it though. For me, it's just this thrilling breath of fresh air...it's just pure FUN. The way I put it after watching the first episode was that it felt like I was 6 years old and playing with my action figures making up stories and adventures for them to go on. I don't think it's deep, or groundbreaking, but I absolutely love everything about how they've executed things so far. Even the music has grown and me and just feels "right" now.

 

[jye4ever]

I feel much more emotion and connection between Mando and baby in this simple tv show than I ever did for any new character in the ST, so far.

Yes I teared up with the Luke kissing Leia scene but that?s because of their on screen character history PLUS their off screen relationship PLUS her passing.

Mando and baby accomplished that in 6 episodes, hell less than that!

And that?s coming from a person who doesn?t hate the ST with every fiber of their existence lol


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[Darth Skywalker]

After he took the baby yoda back, the series’ goal should have been made loud and clear:

I have to find out what this baby yoda is, and I need to return it to where it belongs.

THEN you can have all your episodes where he runs into trouble while trying to reach his goal. Each episode he gets a little closer to achieving that goal, or has a setback. There is also a side goal to achieve in each episode.

It’s not that much to ask.

 

[Darth Skywalker]

So there’s that, and then he finally reveals that he’s Boba Fett and tracks down the Slave 1.

 

[ZE_501]

I agree with some of the criticisms leveled at this show. Right now it's entertaining but all over the place. Some bad acting, some production issues, some narrative gaffes. But given that Star Wars has always been expensive pulp fiction, I can forgive some things and wait out the rest.

I give it a pass so far because of what it *hasn't done*, and hope that it finds its legs, because I agree, it's shaky right now. But I still want to watch it and see where it lands.

 

[Sassafras]

Its not an isolated complaint.

Whats the rush? Well are 5 episodes in and there has been no plot progression at all.

Mostly its been eye candy. While I am enjoying the sites and sounds as well, There is not much rewatch value.

How many episodes per year will be eye candy and how many with a plot and character progression?

My guess is its the Xfiles format. Single weekly episodes and maybe 3 arc episodes. The only issue is the single episodes are just kinda meh.....

Interesting talk here at well.

?The Mandalorian is a 100 million dollar show about nothing?

https://www.reddit.com/r/televisio...urce=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


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*Shrug* Probably goes without sayin' but - yeah, I'll go there (this is the way) it's like the TLJ divide, kinda. In the sense it's subjective to viewer (not that it ruined any number of peeps childhoods)

And it sounds like what's bothering some folks is they want narrative with clear end goal established. The format of slow reveal of character, the underlying motivations of an unknown opponent, and the events of journey itself that change/alter both baby (who can be assumed to be taking this all in) and Mandalorian without known end goal is frustrating to some. (Esp. if u are into sports and really need the d*mn goal posts)

(Tho I'd argue the original SW itself didn't have much of an end goal - Luke is gonna learn the ways of the Force and become a Jedi. Han just wanted the money and to bail. It wasn't to drop a Ring into a fiery mountain - but even then Frodo and co. get involved in less-direct events.)

If u trust in Favreau - and I do - he knows all this stuff. Heck, he made Tony Stark assembling armor and looking at holograms fascinating (IMO that kind of thing could've been boring AF if not done right). Even with IM, there was the "next mission" which isn't exactly a SPECIFIC threat. Vs. a film like TWS where the threats start out more vague, unknown and ratchet up.

I'm gonna enjoy the journey (esp. when knowing end goal doesn't necessarily help anyway *cough* GOT & Justice League *cough*). Folks are also forgetting the as-of-yet unknown puppeteer re the Client (listening carefully to the electronic garbled voices in episode 3 - it's something like "specifically said...bring it back alive" "i don't care what is is, extract the material you need and be done with it....") And not like Favreau and Filoni don't know the value of a primary villain reveal, either.

Personally luv the slow unpacking approach, all with an underlying, unknown threat, and Mando's heroic-archetype journey. It's the slow ratcheting I'd hoped for in IW and didn't get (or like reading one of the better epic fantasy books)

But folks can always bail and binge watch to the goal when the series winds up. Am totally hooked with this one tho. Am ALREADY doin' multiple rewatches.. 'Coz am getting TIME with characters and enjoying the *&^% out it. U get to see what Mando can do and some history (vs the Gary Sue *&^%$ing when the big end climax happens, or just getting told "oh, yeah, he can pilot and knife-fight, because)

Which the MCU movies didn't enough of either IMO - one of my peeves is pushing the huge Spidey/IM connection when WTF when did they ever actually spend that much time together? Guess I have to INTERPOLATE that....

Nope, if badass Mando risks his life for the Child I'll believe it, 'coz there's REASONS at this point.

 

[a-dev]

It's the Mandaloreia.

The extended journey of The Mandalorian.

His prime aim is obviously to protect the Child. His secondary aim will be to uncover the Child's origins. His journey in itself is a goal, since he is changing as a person. The Child is having an affect on him.

I agree on the one hand and with what Jye has just said about Mando and the child. But on the other hand - he's changing as a person from what? We only had about 30 minutes to get to know him pre-Baby Yoda. I feel like we're unconsciously assuming Mando is Boba Fett in which case, yes, this would represent character growth from what we knew of Fett.

 

[Asta]

I agree on the one hand and with what Jye has just said about Mando and the child. But on the other hand - he's changing as a person from what? We only had about 30 minutes to get to know him pre-Baby Yoda. I feel like we're unconsciously assuming Mando is Boba Fett in which case, yes, this would represent character growth from what we knew of Fett.

I've never thought of him as Fett watching the episodes.

I'm looking at him as springing into life in the first episode as a Spaghetti Western style laconic killer, a cold professional bounty hunter. He finds the asset and he brings him back for the bounty.

Then he has second thoughts and returns to rescue him. The implication is that this is the first time he's failed to fulfil his duty to the Guild.

In spite of this change of heart the Child irritates him, and it's an invasion of the private space of his ship. He's irked when it plays with the controls and steals the knob from the lever.

As time passes he becomes more tolerant and finds an attachment to the Child. There's that significant moment when talking to the widow when his voice cracks, because he can't have the perfect life.

By the end of episode six he's subverted expectations. He didn't kill the three Mercs, he merely overpowered them and locked them up. He also now willingly gives the knob from the lever to the Child.

The Child is the instigator of both his physical and psychological journey.

 

[Sassafras]

I agree on the one hand and with what Jye has just said about Mando and the child. But on the other hand - he's changing as a person from what? We only had about 30 minutes to get to know him pre-Baby Yoda. I feel like we're unconsciously assuming Mando is Boba Fett in which case, yes, this would represent character growth from what we knew of Fett.

Gonna guess from lowly scrabbling bounty hunter to hero leader *whose name will be legend*. Think they are dropping bread crumbs all over the place re the archetype hero journey. Unassuming background, loss of parents, raised in poverty/secrecy, events that test character, attain knowledge, triumph in end, becomes legend and myth. Gonna guess he'll be the hero that restores the Mandelorians after this Purge, ultimately.

And saves the Child, of course.

And SOMEHOW this ties to the events of the "future trilogy". Bet Disney is kicking themselves now for not doing MORE TROS re-shoots that just HAPPEN to have Mandalorian culture and/or little not-Yoda. But there's always the extended version home release.

 

[xipotec]

I think the connection to TROS will be exposition on how Palps survived.

He?s extracting the Force from force sensitive people to use that power to stay alive.

Rey may just be his ultimate experiment in his force draining power.

The Child is just another force meal for him to stave off death. That why the want him alive.


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[jye4ever]

After he took the baby yoda back, the series? goal should have been made loud and clear:

I have to find out what this baby yoda is, and I need to return it to where it belongs.

THEN you can have all your episodes where he runs into trouble while trying to reach his goal. Each episode he gets a little closer to achieving that goal, or has a setback. There is also a side goal to achieve in each episode.

It?s not that much to ask.

I can agree with this but the show is not too far off from what you?re presenting he?s already doing that just in a very slow methodical and roundabout way lol


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[Sassafras]

I think the connection to TROS will be exposition on how Palps survived.

He?s extracting the Force from force sensitive people to use that power to stay alive.

Rey may just be his ultimate experiment in his force draining power.

The Child is just another force meal for him to stave off death. That why the want him alive.


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Gross tho that works. Like cloning baby to have a permanent supply. Or wanting him alive for same *nefarious* reasons.

I do wanna know how the Child ended up with his guardians. That Mando and IG slaughtered. Er.

Tho to make myself feel better 1)they were bad too holding baby for ransom or something or 2) *mystical* it was some pre-ordained mythic thing.

Also I need IG back.

 

[The Buffinator]

After he took the baby yoda back, the series? goal should have been made loud and clear:

I have to find out what this baby yoda is, and I need to return it to where it belongs.

THEN you can have all your episodes where he runs into trouble while trying to reach his goal. Each episode he gets a little closer to achieving that goal, or has a setback. There is also a side goal to achieve in each episode.

It?s not that much to ask.

I can agree with this but the show is not too far off from what you?re presenting he?s already doing that just in a very slow methodical and roundabout way lol


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Then again, if Baby Yoda was taken and put into hiding, it's possible "where he belongs" (assuming it still exists) is too vulnerable a location. So while learning what he is and where he comes from are still realistic goals, Favreau may first have Mando identifying & eliminating the threat before bringing him back home.

 

[Darth Madden]

After he took the baby yoda back, the series? goal should have been made loud and clear:

I have to find out what this baby yoda is, and I need to return it to where it belongs.

THEN you can have all your episodes where he runs into trouble while trying to reach his goal. Each episode he gets a little closer to achieving that goal, or has a setback. There is also a side goal to achieve in each episode.

It?s not that much to ask.

Thats basically what is happening but nobody came right out and said it.

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[TaliBane]

I think the connection to TROS will be exposition on how Palps survived.

He?s extracting the Force from force sensitive people to use that power to stay alive.

Rey may just be his ultimate experiment in his force draining power.

The Child is just another force meal for him to stave off death. That why the want him alive.


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Will they also explain how Palps' whole office.... and chair... and even (unbroken???) panes of his still-standing big circular window... survived INTACT after being in the middle of a planet-sized explosion?

I mean seriously... W..T...F...

Did the dark-Sith-force-side-forceghost-healing-afterlife-thingie not only carry Palps' crispy, semi-dead corpse from the bottom of that bottomless shaft and safely out into space (?) but also create a force bubble around Palps' throne room and gently carry it down into the ocean on Endor?

You can blur your eyes and turn off your brain and imagine some kind of Force death-life thing preserving his body (or whatever - nowadays it's become so abstract and rule-less it's hard to even rationally explain,) but I'm not sure even Mando could ever explain how his chair and window pulled off a similar preservation miracle.

 

[xipotec]

Will they also explain how Palps' whole office.... and chair... and even (unbroken???) panes of his still-standing big circular window... survived INTACT after being in the middle of a planet-sized explosion?

I mean seriously... W..T...F...

Did the dark-Sith-force-side-forceghost-healing-afterlife-thingie not only carry Palps' crispy, semi-dead corpse from the bottom of that bottomless shaft and safely out into space (?) but also create a force bubble around Palps' throne room and gently carry it down into the ocean on Endor?

You can blur your eyes and turn off your brain and imagine some kind of Force death-life thing preserving his body (or whatever - nowadays it's become so abstract and rule-less it's hard to even rationally explain,) but I'm not sure even Mando could ever explain how his chair and window pulled off a similar preservation miracle.

The chair thing is definitely a stretch, but for art sake I am fine with it. To start nitpicking that type of stuff..... then all SW is really nitpickable.

Now about that Palps corpse.

I have ALWAYS viewed the death of Palpatine as suspect. When he explodes (for some reason he explodes) we see a HUGE wind fly out of the shaft. I always thought that would be a great jumping off point for a sequel. I viewed that as his force essence escaping. Now I really think they will go with that. What you may have been seeing was Palpatine cheating death, escaping his body to find a new host.

They would be stealing an idea from a great Denzel Washington fi called Fallen.

Then he has to be fed the force from other force users to regain his former self.

We may see a degraded Palps in ROTS. He may have been using Snoke as a living puppet, sapping his force essence and keeping him alive for that until the next powerful force user could be found.

I believe on of the comics says that his relationship with Vader was parasitic as well. We do seem to see him get off when he senses the dark side being used in Luke.





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