The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[The Buffinator]

Will they also explain how Palps' whole office.... and chair... and even (unbroken???) panes of his still-standing big circular window... survived INTACT after being in the middle of a planet-sized explosion?

I mean seriously... W..T...F...

Did the dark-Sith-force-side-forceghost-healing-afterlife-thingie not only carry Palps' crispy, semi-dead corpse from the bottom of that bottomless shaft and safely out into space (?) but also create a force bubble around Palps' throne room and gently carry it down into the ocean on Endor?

You can blur your eyes and turn off your brain and imagine some kind of Force death-life thing preserving his body (or whatever - nowadays it's become so abstract and rule-less it's hard to even rationally explain,) but I'm not sure even Mando could ever explain how his chair and window pulled off a similar preservation miracle.

Well it didn't escape damage completely. The Death Star was the size of a "small moon", so relatively speaking his throne room would be like a tiny piece of shrapnel recovered from the Challenger explosion. Plus it exploded in space, so there was no atmosphere (i.e., oxygen) for the blast to feed on once the DS's artificial one was depleted. And if one assumes the DS's exterior had some kind of thermal shielding it wouldn't completely burn up when entering Endor's atmosphere. But having said all that, it still seems a strange choice to include in the movie. Then again, it could end up on the cutting room floor like Wakanda Hulk...

 

[TaliBane]

The chair thing is definitely a stretch, but for art sake I am fine with it. To start nitpicking that type of stuff..... then all SW is really nitpickable.

Now about that Palps corpse.

I have ALWAYS viewed the death of Palpatine as suspect. When he explodes (for some reason he explodes) we see a HUGE wind fly out of the shaft. I always thought that would be a great jumping off point for a sequel. I viewed that as his force essence escaping. Now I really think they will go with that. What you may have been seeing was Palpatine cheating death, escaping his body to find a new host.

They would be stealing an idea from a great Denzel Washington fi called Fallen.

Then he has to be fed the force from other force users to regain his former self.

We may see a degraded Palps in ROTS. He may have been using Snoke as a living puppet, sapping his force essence and keeping him alive for that until the next powerful force user could be found.

I believe on of the comics says that his relationship with Vader was parasitic as well. We do seem to see him get off when he senses the dark side being used in Luke.





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(nowadays it's become so abstract and rule-less it's hard to even rationally explain,)

It just becomes meaningless is all I'm saying. "Luke's ghost finds a force crystal that can regenerate his living self..." and "Vader communes with the dark side and it rebuilds him as he existed in ANH..." It just means "whatever..." The narrative ceases to have meaning, it's simply about finding ways to recreate what you liked before.

They "created" a new Palps in Snoke, but it didn't work out (just like a ST that could stand on its own story and character wise,) so they went back to the one people knew and liked. The established brand stuff.

Well it didn't escape damage completely. The Death Star was the size of a "small moon", so relatively speaking his throne room would be like a tiny piece of shrapnel recovered from the Challenger explosion. Plus it exploded in space, so there was no atmosphere (i.e., oxygen) for the blast to feed on once the DS's artificial one was depleted. And if one assumes the DS's exterior had some kind of thermal shielding it wouldn't completely burn up when entering Endor's atmosphere. But having said all that, it still seems a strange choice to include in the movie. Then again, it could end up on the cutting room floor like Wakanda Hulk...

It's true - the intact chair does have SOME minor damage on the side, and the near-intact window does have broken glass.... so it didn't "escape damage completely."

Again, folks - it's a little room that was in ultra-close proximity to an explosion the size of a planet. And there are PANES OF GLASS in the ALMOST-INTACT window that didn't break. .... in the initial massive blast, the collisions with other hurtling debris, the fall/burn through Endor's atmosphere, or the high-speed impact into the ocean (an impact that would have brought a nuclear winter to Endor btw.)

The room basically looks like a bad storm passed by the death star, instead of an explosion the size of a planet.

Oh wait - I think I already mentioned that part.

 

[ZE_501]

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The room basically looks like a bad storm hit the death star, instead of an explosion the size of a planet.

Oh wait - I think I already mentioned that part.

I know our beloved goofy space opera about space wizards requires a massive suspension of disbelief, but I contend that once certain aspects of a fantasy genre are accepted as axiomatic the rest needs to be believable within that context.

The DSII's reactor core vaporized and took the entire structure (size of a 'small moon') with it inside of a second after about 5-10 seconds of collapse/overheat as evidenced by the time it took for the initial fireball to clear the surface as the rebel ships escaped the interior.

But.. ...if you really wanted to wave your hands *really hard* you could postulate that the throne room was blown clear in a preliminary explosion in the 5-10 seconds prior to the vaporizing.

I still don't really buy it but the hell with it, it's Star Wars.

 

[The Buffinator]

It's true - the intact chair does have SOME minor damage on the side, and the near-intact window does have broken glass.... so it didn't "escape damage completely."

Again, folks - it's a little room that was in ultra-close proximity to an explosion the size of a planet. And there are PANES OF GLASS in the ALMOST-INTACT window that didn't break. .... in the initial massive blast, the collisions with other hurtling debris, the fall/burn through Endor's atmosphere, or the high-speed impact into the ocean (an impact that would have brought a nuclear winter to Endor btw.)

The room basically looks like a bad storm passed by the death star, instead of an explosion the size of a planet.

Oh wait - I think I already mentioned that part.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were one of the structural engineers for the Death Star and was so well versed on how it would break apart when the reactor core was destroyed & set up the fatal chain reaction. And also that you specified glass panes similar to those on Earth and not some super strong translucent crystal available in a galaxy far, far away which was suitable for such an application in space.

I understand the difficulty suspending belief in this instance, but it cuts both ways. An explosion the size of a planet would have produced a shock wave that would have killed Luke, Lando and everyone else on those ships that just barely escaped the fireball. Maybe that would have been for the best - we would have been spared TLJ's over-the-shoulder lightsaber flip (among other questionable decisions).

p.s. - Hey, maybe Palpatine had them make his throne room out of Unobtanium for just such an eventuality?

 

[dan350zr]

It's pretty crazy, you have the original cast and this is the best Abrams and Johnson could do... What a waste...

 

[Craig Walker]

Will they also explain how Palps' whole office.... and chair... and even (unbroken???) panes of his still-standing big circular window... survived INTACT after being in the middle of a planet-sized explosion?

Because Stupid.

 

[YoNoSe]

Maxi big da Force!

 

[ZE_501]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were one of the structural engineers for the Death Star and was so well versed on how it would break apart when the reactor core was destroyed & set up the fatal chain reaction. And also that you specified glass panes similar to those on Earth and not some super strong translucent crystal available in a galaxy far, far away which was suitable for such an application in space. [...]

Here lies one of the central problems of Star Wars fandom of a certain type.

Most if not all of us here, have spent hours of our lives over beers, coffee, sitting around with friends or here on forums, endlessly debating, discussing and extrapolating Star Wars minutiae.

But because the authors of said property have always played fast and loose with their universe, it remains wildly open-ended and as such, there will always be schisms, heretics, apostates, apocrypha ... and wars.

I'm as guilty of it as the next person. I so want to believe that my own interpretation is the best one, and truth be told, based solely on first tier canonical evidence, mine is pretty good ... ... but in the end what does it matter?

It's all a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.

 

[xipotec]

Well I just watched the latest episode.

And I find it weird but I think that was the best episode of the last 3.

I really likes this one. The acting was loads better that the last two, and the hunter becomes the hunted aspect was very cool to me.

The only downside was the girl. Her acting sucked, and the whole character was weak. But I really likes the rest.

The gave a rest to the memba this stuff for the most part. The scene where Mando snuck up on the gunman in the flashing strobes was brilliant!!!!!

I really liked the characters as well. It highlighted Mandos ability to fight in different methods and to adapt quickly.

The effects were great also. All the sets were SW without being exact copies.

That ending was really great also, Xwings swooping in to finish what Mando started.

This might be my second favorite episode so far.



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[TaliBane]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were one of the structural engineers for the Death Star and was so well versed on how it would break apart when the reactor core was destroyed & set up the fatal chain reaction. And also that you specified glass panes similar to those on Earth and not some super strong translucent crystal available in a galaxy far, far away which was suitable for such an application in space.

I understand the difficulty suspending belief in this instance, but it cuts both ways. An explosion the size of a planet would have produced a shock wave that would have killed Luke, Lando and everyone else on those ships that just barely escaped the fireball. Maybe that would have been for the best - we would have been spared TLJ's over-the-shoulder lightsaber flip (among other questionable decisions).

p.s. - Hey, maybe Palpatine had them make his throne room out of Unobtanium for just such an eventuality?

Let me put it another way....

Remember now - the DSII is 10 miles across, so the explosion you are looking at is about 15 miles in diameter.

And just so you know - I was a Death Star engineer so I recommended that the whole Imperial Navy be constructed of that same super strong translucent crystal available in a galaxy far, far away (I mean why not - RIGHT?)... so that no ship could ever be destroyed. By anything. Even a 15 mile diameter explosion.

That's how we scientifically prove that b.s. cuts both ways. Belief suspended.

 

[Otomofan]

"I was an Imperial Navy Engineer, NOT a Death Star Engineer, wiseass!"

 

[The Buffinator]

Let me put it another way....

Remember now - the DSII is 10 miles across, so the explosion you are looking at is about 15 miles in diameter.

So it's not possible for a chunk of that DS at or near its outer surface to have been explosively propelled out of frame while being obscured by that pretty fireball? Those bright red spots look a bit like projectiles to me, but whatever. The point is, IF (and yes, it's a BIG IF) TROS actually has a compelling story and is fun, I'm not going to let the throne room's survival derail my enjoyment.

And just so you know - I was a Death Star engineer so I recommended that the whole Imperial Navy be constructed of that same super strong translucent crystal available in a galaxy far, far away (I mean why not - RIGHT?)... so that no ship could ever be destroyed. By anything. Even a 15 mile diameter explosion.

That's how we scientifically prove that b.s. cuts both ways. Belief suspended.

Sounds like you were advocating extreme cost overruns. It's a good thing you were a lowly engineer and not in management; Had you been, Palpatine would have force choked the **** out of you at the first budget review.

"I was an Imperial Navy Engineer, NOT a Death Star Engineer, wiseass!"

Well played.

 

[DeadLeaves]

I don't know what this throne room talk has to do with the show, but anyway... wasn't the window facing open space, away from endor? Final trajectory from a spherical blast emanating from the core would be in the direction it was facing, away from Endor. That is the way. I have spoken.

 

[The Buffinator]

Yeah, I think we went off on a tangent after speculation about some kind of tie-in between the show and the movie. Staying on subject has never been our strong suit.

I believe you're correct about the direction the throne room window was facing during the battle, but by the time it exploded I suppose it could have changed a bit if it rotated about its axis like a planet. TBH I'm not sure if that was ever established though...

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

Palpatine and his throne room miraculously and inexplicably survived because Disney is desperate for something nostalgic for potential customers to latch on to now that Han is dead, Luke is a homeless loser, Leia can fly herself through space, and the fanbase is in a state of discontent. The Mandalorian does callbacks soooooo much better!!!

 

[The Buffinator]

We're talking about a universe where people can kill and/or control others with their minds, move objects with their minds, shoot lightning out of their fingers, etc., etc., and that's what you find miraculous and inexplicable?

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

We're talking about a universe where people can kill and/or control others with their minds, move objects with their minds, shoot lightning out of their fingers, etc., etc., and that's what you find miraculous and inexplicable?

If this was your line of thinking you would essentially have to dismiss all fantasy/adventure stories as dumb and pointless.

But we witnessed the Emperor's death and watched the Death Star disintegrate. Bringing them back decades later in the name of cash grab completely undermines the story arc of the OT. Should we bring Luke back in episode 10 with some flimsy excuse that he found a way to bring himself back to life? Hell maybe he and a redeemed Anakin can fight against the forces of evil side by side in the next trilogy.

 

[dan350zr]

I have a feeling that JJ Abrams had bigger plans for Snoke but Johnson screwed him over when he killed Snoke off in the 2nd movie, so in a panic Abrams went with resurrecting the Emperor... IMO it's just a complete lack of imagination on Abrams part but he kind of showed that in the first movie when he went with the "Death Planet" instead of coming up with an original story...

Anyways I'm glad we have something decent to watch in the Star Wars Universe... Hopefully, season 2 of Mandalorian won't take to long...

 

[ebor]

...there was a second Throne Room and Chair set up on another space station that was decommissioned because the Empire was tired of the Rebels continuously blowing up their Death Star stations...problem solved...

 

[The Buffinator]

If this was your line of thinking you would essentially have to dismiss all fantasy/adventure stories as dumb and pointless.

My line of thinking was this: Some people tend to pick and choose when to apply logic and reasoning to these stories rather than view the entire movie through the same lens. I've been guilty of that myself, but others can't seem to admit it.

But we witnessed the Emperor's death and watched the Death Star disintegrate. Bringing them back decades later in the name of cash grab completely undermines the story arc of the OT. Should we bring Luke back in episode 10 with some flimsy excuse that he found a way to bring himself back to life? Hell maybe he and a redeemed Anakin can fight against the forces of evil side by side in the next trilogy.

Well, I never touched on the merits of bringing back the Emperor. On that subject we'll likely be in agreement, but I'll wait until Thursday to pass judgement. And I was merely pointing out that the "throne room" itself could have survived as a piece of wreckage, but if that huge portion of the DS that we saw in the first trailer is in the movie then, YES, that's pretty hard to accept. If there's a good explanation for how that could have happened then it has eluded me.

As for Luke, it's unlikely, but maybe he'll be back in this movie. The Emperor feared him more than anyone, so maybe if the Emperor is powerful enough to come back then so is Luke. He already projected a hologram of himself across the galaxy - maybe he can return to his corporeal form for his next trick? We never really saw Ben or Luke die a traditional death; in both cases, their bodies simply vanished and became (I guess) "one with The Force". But given that Luke is the son of The Chosen One, maybe he's also the next step in Jedi evolution? That could go a long way to undoing some of TLJ's questionable decisions...