The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[Otomofan]

I wanted to make a big ass joke in The Expanse thread cause I have NOOOO idea what that show is, but I have to assume someone beat me to it on day one, so I didn't bother.

 

[DeadLeaves]

You're probably right, I shouldn't have bothered mentioning it. Comparing the two is like likening a one inch cubic zirconia to a pet rock you got from your kid on fathers day. Both have great value and beauty, it's just not comparable.

 

[TaliBane]

Look at everyone in here pretending that death star wreckage is going to be the worst of problems in this film.

Despite the many pages, it's not that huge of a deal - the throne room's probably a backdrop of maybe a minute of screen time.

But I would also say (the reason I sort of went after this) it's symptomatic of deep issues with the ST: a take-no-prisoners attitude to strip-mining the OT (where you take even when its both non-sensical and diminishes the OT source) and a staggering laziness in terms of feeling little need to do the hard work in creating something new. Because there's always the OT library to fall back on.

TLJ's a train wreck but you sort of have to admire RJ for flushing all of JJ's lazy turds, but he has an endless supply - partly chewed, barely digested bits of the OT, dozens and dozens big and small. Onscreen it's 60% OT and 40% turd, but it feels both nostaligic and new and somehow "true to the OT."

The intact throne room also sets up a Palps meat puppet, which is the elephant in the room in TROS: the very thing that pinpoints the failure of the ST to stand on its own, to have confidence in its own story, its characters and its mythology.

The terror of a ST movie without the OT as its backbone and majority of its organs (you can almost hear JJ - "should it be Yoda, Jabba or Palps as backbone of TROS? Bring 'em back to life, whatever it takes!".)

 

[xipotec]

My 2c

Nagasaki and Hiroshima

S**t sometimes survives s**t. If that's a bridge to far for some than that's fair for them.

EDIT: Oh and for those, here's some bridges that survived

Pwrsonally been here an saw the Peace Memorial.

Folks vaporized, but many things survived.

From trolley cars to kids tricycles, glasses and watches...




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[xipotec]

Now we're getting somewhere. Cause this is interesting.

How you compare ROTJ and this exactly I have no idea but I guess given the "reactor core" thing we can call the ROTJ blast "nuclear." Hiroshima was a baby - 1 mile. The blast on DSII was around 15-20 miles (judging by the DS diameter) so hundreds of times larger by volume than Hiroshima.

The Russians later did nuclear blasts that size. They turned rock into ash even though they were detonated at a couple of miles up. That's more what we are talking about here in ROTJ - a blast that would turn rock and steel to powder.

Those Russian blasts were THOUSANDS of times more powerful than Hiroshima, a blast which left buildings standing, and was actually only a few times more powerful than the biggest non-nuclear explosions.

The Challenger space shuttle didn't explode, and Hiroshima was VERY small and weak for a nuclear blast - so hard to use these as comps for that massive ROTJ "nuclear" explosion.

To me you have to keep coming back to what you see on screen in ROTJ: not large chunks of superstructure breaking free as explosions tear it up, but a single massive detonation that totally consumes and atomizes the whole structure.

I know what your saying fromwhat you could see, it appears it was vaporized, but thats the same thing I was saying. To the naked eye both shuttles also appear to have been vaporized, as well as all of Hiroshima. That may have been was a limit of the effects of the time, more than anything else. They didnt feel the need to show that level of detail.

But your right , some fans can accept it, other just will not. I am sure there is a correlation to make there regarding how you feel about the ST.

The glass is pretty stupid....unless its bot the DSII. But maybe its wizard glass.



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[McHaleyArt]

 

[The Buffinator]

Hey, I've pivoted to TROS thread to continue those discussions...

https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180146&p=10230888#post10230888

 

[xipotec]

Hey, I've pivoted to TROS thread to continue those discussions...

https://www.sideshowcollectors.com/forums/showthread.php?t=180146&p=10230888#post10230888

Thank you.

Now, could parts of that space station the Rebels were attacking at the end survive the attack and resulting explosion or would it have been atomized???

On a more serious note. How the hell could Mando use a droid arm to open that cell. If thats all it takes, why do we need droids at all to access those terminals?


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[The Buffinator]

Thank you.

Now, could parts of that space station the Rebels were attacking at the end survive the attack and resulting explosion or would it have been atomized???

On a more serious note. How the hell could Mando use a droid arm to open that cell. If thats all it takes, why do we need droids at all to access those terminals?


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I suppose it stands to reason that if it was a prison transport ship and it had an all-droid guard team that those guards would have the "keys" to the cells. Besides, those access ports seem to be the SW equivalent of USB ports - they're standardized and they're everywhere. And maybe that wasn't Mando's first time on board one of those ships?

 

[ajp4mgs]

Thank you.

Now, could parts of that space station the Rebels were attacking at the end survive the attack and resulting explosion or would it have been atomized???

On a more serious note. How the hell could Mando use a droid arm to open that cell. If thats all it takes, why do we need droids at all to access those terminals?


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That part didn't bother me one bit. In fact, this latest episode had a lot of very cool moments that didn't just play with SW nostalgia. But, the one thing that I hope someone can explain to me is how and why the New Republic would be willing to fire on *anything at all* that is transmitting a tracking beacon signal.

If someone had stolen that beacon from the scared guard, and stuck it in a New Republic government facility, would the X-Wings just destroy it no-questions-asked? The guy triggered it as he fell dying; so if he dozed off on the job and triggered the button, X-Wings would've been deployed to kill him just the same. What kind of logic is that?

It seems that every damned handheld tracking device in this show is meant to drive me crazy.

 

[ZE_501]

The New Republic beacon bothered me too, so did the X-Wings ignoring the Razor Crest etc. etc.

The show is *highly* entertaining but written on the level of Saturday morning cartoons for the most part.


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[a-dev]

That part didn't bother me one bit. In fact, this latest episode had a lot of very cool moments that didn't just play with SW nostalgia. But, the one thing that I hope someone can explain to me is how and why the New Republic would be willing to fire on *anything at all* that is transmitting a tracking beacon signal.

If someone had stolen that beacon from the scared guard, and stuck it in a New Republic government facility, would the X-Wings just destroy it no-questions-asked? The guy triggered it as he fell dying; so if he dozed off on the job and triggered the button, X-Wings would've been deployed to kill him just the same. What kind of logic is that?

It seems that every damned handheld tracking device in this show is meant to drive me crazy.

I assumed it must have been explained with something I missed or forgot about and I didn't go back to check. But if there was no explanation then yeah, wtf.

 

[ZE_501]

I assumed it must have been explained with something I missed or forgot about and I didn't go back to check. But if there was no explanation then yeah, wtf.

Looked to be a dead man?s switch.


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[ajp4mgs]

The New Republic beacon bothered me too, so did the X-Wings ignoring the Razor Crest etc. etc.

The show is *highly* entertaining but written on the level of Saturday morning cartoons for the most part.


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I'll just repeat that I'd like to see Favreau be the lone creator on this show. I know his track record, and that he's more than capable of strong storytelling. But, when you have writers who predominantly work with animated series and comic book scripts, there might reasonably need to be a learning curve when transitioning to live-action drama. I think that is playing into the "cartoony" logic and plot devices, but there's no way to know for sure.

Next season, Favreau is reportedly going to be more hands-on. We'll see how much that changes things. I suspect it will be for the better, no matter how much one is currently enjoying this show.

 

[ZE_501]

I agree that Favreau being more hands-on could improve it, but I don?t understand why Filoni and other writers etc. associated with cartoons would have an issue. This show is intended for a broader audience than children (I can only assume given the level of violence although HBO it ain?t) ? these people ought to write accordingly.

I can only assume time constraints or otherwise they think all Star Wars fans are idiots.

Which I almost wouldn?t blame them for.


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[xipotec]

Well at least its good to see similar levels of criticism aimed at Mandalorian, as with the ST.

Nothing has bothered my to the point of not enjoying the show, with the possible exception of the non stop nostalgia train.

But we should assume that the droid interface, is some complicated interface that can access multiple areas if the host computer. (R2 knew about the Falcon from opening a door in Bespin)

So that port is a computer interface. How the hell can Mando open a locked door using a non functioning arm from a droid?

If all it takes is a Rubics cube like puzzle with a tool, it would stand to reason these criminals would be able yo break out easier.




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[dukefett]

I am liking the series in general but do have nit picks throughout watching. One thing I don't get about the last episode is the no killing thing. Mando killed tons of bounty hunters, Stormtroopers, Jawas, all the Bossk looking guys guarding the Child in ep 1, all the guys going after that village in the episode before, and then he's like, 'no killing.' I mean I get the guard was probably very innocent in everything, but it just made no sense.

Then he doesn't kill the 3 on the ship with him, who literally all tried to kill him and left him to die, but then gets the other 2 killed along with probably dozens of other people on that space station who had no idea what was going on.

That one had me baffled. Also has he killed anyone with a human face besides the bounty hunter who double crossed him? I feel like showing him kill aliens is really easy for them to do but they probably don't want him killing humans (directly anyway) too often.

 

[Sassafras]

I assumed it must have been explained with something I missed or forgot about and I didn't go back to check. But if there was no explanation then yeah, wtf.

They noticed a gunship had been deployed, so I'd shoot at that point. Tho I'd have to go watch the whole sequence. Not sure if they targeted just the gunship or the whole station 'coz the scene cuts off. Too bad if Ran bought it I liked him as a sleaze.

Then he doesn't kill the 3 on the ship with him, who literally all tried to kill him and left him to die, but then gets the other 2 killed along with probably dozens of other people on that space station who had no idea what was going on.

*Shrug*. I took it as a dark sense of humor. U gotta assume at some point re the 3 confrontations u lost. Ur gonna die. Maybe u pee ur pants. Then u wind up stuck together and 'coz ur not nice people it's hell together *&^%ing at each other for the FAIL; and THEN the New Republic probably plays back camera footage and THEN u spend the rest of ur life in jail reflecting on ur sins, except the for the meathead Burg who's probably happy if he gets an extra sandwich.

They've probably all done other stuff, worked for Empire etc. It's WORSE than dying. Like knowing ur own brother put a knife in ur back

If all it takes is a Rubics cube like puzzle with a tool, it would stand to reason these criminals would be able yo break out easier.

With what tho? Cells looked pretty stripped of anything handy like the ever-popular metal bedpost. Mando had all his stuff on him.

 

[Sassafras]

I agree that Favreau being more hands-on could improve it, but I don?t understand why Filoni and other writers etc. associated with cartoons would have an issue. This show is intended for a broader audience than children (I can only assume given the level of violence although HBO it ain?t) ? these people ought to write accordingly.

I can only assume time constraints or otherwise they think all Star Wars fans are idiots.

Which I almost wouldn?t blame them for.


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Because with any media type there's gonna be changes in what ur characters can do, vs. real life, vs. being able to effectively produce an effect within budget on a production schedule. Also if I were used to writing for animated characters that will move, enunciate, and engage in a certain way, there's gonna be shifts if I switch to something I'm not used to. What people expect from a live action sequence vs. an animated sequence.

Like, for example, I can watch Nemo zip around and talk without losing breath etc. If I were watching a live clownfish behave like that - they wouldn't. Even the Lion King fell down 'coz Favreau or other lost the animation of the original animation, so as great as the CGI was many think the original better.

But still think Episode 5 was a kind of SW love letter to fans, too. Disney can't be idiots that much, they're rolling in billions.

 

[momaw]

Can we please stop treating Favreau like a god. Sure he's a fan. Sure he's trying to do his best. But...

He has as many misses as he has hits.