Why are you using Anakin's attachments as somehow supporting the view that Anakin's need for a father figure led him to join Palpatine? He grew up without a father figure and was shown to be a well-adapted (and even superior) example of a righteous and selfless kid.
I'm not. You are completely misunderstanding Anakin's turn by doing so, making it one dimensional base on one act, when it wasn't. It had nothing to do with lacking a father figure, it had everything to do with having attachments and lacking a parental figure, be it a mother or a father.
Again, Lucas spells out Anakin's fall in one line, a line that I've now posted probably a dozen times here yet nobody ever gets:
Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering.
Anakin was not trained from birth to forgo attachments. He is a normal person who has attachments. His fear of losing those attachments and lacking a parental figure when he does lose those attachments to console him or fears he may lose them all culminated into his fall to the dark side.
Having a substitute father figure was what Anakin saw in Kenobi. And don't try to say that's not true from Anakin's point of view. You know why? Because he said so himself. Twice. "He is like a father to me." (AOTC) And, "You're the closest thing I have to a father." (ROTS)
Kenobi never viewed himself as a father, that is why he was flawed as a teacher for Anakin and why Anakin did hold some form of resentment or something of the sorts against Kenobi because Kenobi never reciprocate that Father-Son bond back. The last words Kenobi spoke to him was "You were my brother Anakin." Not very fatherly at all.
And you yourself later in the post admit that Palpatine was more like a friend. And I agree. If you want to interpret that Palps was treating Anakin the way a proud father would, in order to exploit that missing parental figure, I won't argue with you. There's onscreen evidence of that being the case. But to suggest that the reason Qui-Gon would've done better with Anakin is because he'd fill the role of a needed father figure totally ignores important onscreen details. And you touch on it in the next part of your post . . .
He filled the role of a parental figure, someone he could go to and trust, confide, vent... etc... He understood Anakin needed a different path.
If you're saying that Qui-Gon would've fostered Anakin's desire for attachments, wouldn't Anakin still have fallen for Padme and conceived the twins with her? So how would his paranoia about visions of her death be soothed by good ol' fatherly Qui-Gon? Would Anakin magically by better able to avoid wanting the power to save Padme?
You are assuming everything plays out the exact same way with Qui-Gon as his teacher. I don't think they do. Nonetheless, Anakin's entire world view would have been vastly different. We already see Kenobi questioning his own master in TPM and we know Kenobi was nothing like Qui-Gon as a teacher.
Assuming things do play out similarly, Qui-Gon allows Anakin to keep that relationship with his mother. His mother never dies. Anakin never fears the loss. His whole reason for turning is to save Padme from dying, something he failed to do with his mother. He won't let Padme die like he did his mother. That reason for turning is wiped out with Qui-Gon. Wiped out because his mother never dies. He doesn't have those fears to such a drastic affect.
And with allowing attachment, Qui-Gon would know of the relationship with Padme. He would have someone to talk to about that, maybe even get help from the Order itself with Qui-Gon going to the council.
It plays out so much differently with Qui-Gon as a teacher.
And if Kenobi failed by training Anakin the way he himself was trained, then should we just ignore that Obi-Wan was trained by Qui-Gon? Did Qui-Gon fail to train Kenobi in the "proper" ways that a Jedi should think and feel (and ultimately train the next generation)?
I said before, every student is different. Qui-Gon would train Anakin, a unique student, differently than Kenobi, a regular student. I'm not sure I can explain it any simpler than that. Qui-Gon didn't fail Kenobi because he never knew Kenobi would be the one to train Anakin until he was seconds from dying. He never had the chance to say train him differently or something.
Okay, so you're saying that Qui-Gon would've trained Anakin better about dealing with attachments. Does that mean that Anakin would've been closer to his attachments, or better able to let them go instead? Would he have been more likely to go save his mother sooner? And if so, how would holding on to attachments change his manic impulse to learn powers from Palpatine in order to save Padme?
See above.
Believe it or not, I'm not averse to thinking about movies (especially SW). But thinking about what is on screen means that you can't have competing and contradicting narrative elements. If you're going to say that Qui-Gon surviving would've prevented Anakin from desperately needing Palpatine's help to save Padme, then you have to point to where the foundation for that is. You have to identify what played out in the actual movies to suggest two things: 1.) the visions of Padme wouldn't lead to the same result, and 2.) that Palpatine wouldn't have been able to manipulate Anakin. I say that what we see on screen suggests neither outcome would change.
I already did both in the above. Qui-Gon would have filled the role of Palpatine and a parental figure.
Anakin went down a dark path because he saw visions of Padme dying and wanted the power to prevent that from happening. If you think that Palpatine wouldn't have manipulated an Anakin trained by Qui-Gon, then I think you're totally underestimating how Palpatine was shown to be out-scheming every Jedi (including Qui-Gon) with impeccable success. IMO, Anakin was always going to be Palpatine's target, and power was always going to be the tool to lure him in.
Anakin went down the dark path because his mother died and he was fearful of losing anyone else he cared about. Could argue he went down the dark path as soon as Qui-Gon died with the hindsight of knowing Kenobi was not the right teacher for him.
Ziro the Hutt, Stinky, Jar Jar the Jedi, Purrgil, Force priestesses, some of the implications of the "World Between Worlds" . . . there's quite a few for me throughout both shows. But you need to remember that cringe for one fan may be "awesome" for another fan. Don't take my opinion personally; I just have different expectations and preferences.
Some of that stuff was in the early seasons and meant for kids. It started as a kids show after all and slowly evolved more for adults.
There's that word again. If this word can be levelled at PT haters in what way are present-day ST haters immune? Of which I am also one, remember.
I've already said I'm entitled myself in regards to the ST, albeit my entitlement has a little weight or say legitimacy behind it given the establishment of the OT characters before the ST, where as PT didn't really have those established characters where the audience could judge how they would act/turn out, because that judgment took place in the audiences head where as that judgement of OT characters took place on screen.
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