Funny that he's been announced as has Michael Biehn. I've always thought Olyphant would have been a good Kyle Reese if they'd ever had the sense to make a proper Terminator 2029 movie.
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Funny that he's been announced as has Michael Biehn. I've always thought Olyphant would have been a good Kyle Reese if they'd ever had the sense to make a proper Terminator 2029 movie.
Everyone *does* get it, Ducky. Anakin feared losing his mom. Losing her led to anger. That anger boiled over when he feared losing Padme too, and it turned to hate. That hate is actually what led to losing Padme, and then ended in suffering. It's not like any of this is so nuanced that it goes over our heads.
But understanding Anakin's fall doesn't then lead naturally to insisting that Qui-Gon would've prevented any or all of those things from taking place. Nothing in the movies backs that up. It's just unsubstantiated speculation. It could've been a cool premise to build Anakin's fall on, but that's not what we got. I think what we got on screen actually suggests quite the contrary.
If you say there is nothing to back up Qui-Gon from saving Anakin you can't really say what happened on screen proves it wouldn't have considering Qui-Gon is dead.
Dooku himself said Qui-Gon would have joined him. Might have left the Jedi order or distanced himself.
It's pretty clear Qui-Gon training Anakin leads to a vastly different story.
What matters is how Kenobi reciprocated back.
Multiple people could have stopped it with different training and understanding he had attachments.
He would have gone immediately instead of waiting, thus saving her life.
He only had that mindset after his mother died.
I don't know why you think Anakin would be the same exact person with the same exact scenario's playing out with Qui-Gon as a teacher. I really don't.
You're right Vader, Obi-Wan, Palpatine, Yoda, 3PO, R2, Chewbacca, and Boba Fett weren't established on screen as characters until they were introduced in the PT.You are one kooky guy Duck, lol.
We know who Luke, Leia, Han are after the OT. We see their growth on screen. We learn who they are on screen. Going into the ST and expecting similar characters was expected, it was justified entitlement because our view of those characters are from the screen and not from our heads. We didn't get anything remotely close to what they were at the end of the OT. Not a shred of them was left.
Going into the PT, we didn't know these characters.
Anakin Skywalker was a new character. He was not Vader, he was brand new for three movies. Even the Vader in ROTS is different than the Vader in OT. We don't see that in the OT on screen, not that Anakin and not that Vader. Anything you thought of was from your mind and you became entitled to it because it didn't fit your made up Vader. Same thing can be applied to every character listed.
Obi-Wan was not the same. OT - hermit, PT - Jedi.
Palpatine: OT - Emperor. PT - Rising politician to Chancellor to Emperor.
Yoda: OT - Exiled dying Jedi. PT - Grand Master Jedi at the end of his prime.
Fett: OT - Bounty Hunter. PT - Son of a Bounty Hunter.
Chewbacca: Still the same character. If you think Chewbacca was somehow ruined I really don't know what to tell you. He does more in one minute in ROTS than he does in the entire ST.
3PO/R2 - OT - Helpful droids. PT - Helpful droids... with an origin.
I've only seen him in The Office and a Die Hard movie.
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Oh, I don't. Except to hyphenate or not? D@mmit. The lithe deadly ruler of Mandalore, wielder of the Darksaber...er....anyway
this show seems pretty crowded LOL.
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This constant refrain about Anakin's attachments can be contextualized with Luke for comparison. Luke had attachments too. His aunt and uncle were torched to death. His friend Biggs died. His mentor "Ben" Kenobi died.
Anakin's mom (who he hadn't seen in 10 years) died when he was about 20 years old; that's the same age Luke was in ANH when *all* of his attachments died. And Luke had been with each of them in the past 10 years.
Having attachments lost while being a Skywalker who is strong with the Force doesn't guarantee a bad outcome, no matter how old they are when starting Jedi training. Luke's Jedi teachers were the same ones Anakin had. So this whole "Qui-Gon would've saved Anakin" business is just silly, IMO. Sorry, but I see no reason to believe it. It's just flowery language to make the story seem deeper than it actually was. The sad thing is how many people are eating it up like it's some game-changing revelation.
Because how different he'd be with Qui-Gon is nothing more than pure guessing. Anakin was created by the Force itself, and with a purpose! So his destiny was more his own to make than I think you're willing to concede. It wouldn't be cemented by which Jedi master survived the outcome of some duel with Maul.
And as far as the need for a father figure, the Force created/conceived Anakin with a slave woman who would have to raise him by herself. So, Anakin's destiny was intentionally meant to be fatherless, and all the while still be empowered to restore balance to the Force. It makes no sense for Shmi to be chosen if Anakin being fatherless would actually handicap him in a way where he'd be more vulnerable to joining Palpatine and becoming a Sith. Is the Force stupid or something?
If Anakin had been more like his son when making choices, his fate would've been different. And the fact that his son ended up showing him the right way to do things (having also lost his attachments *and* having the same mentors) is a pretty awesome story resolution.
Oh, I don't. Except to hyphenate or not? D@mmit. The lithe deadly ruler of Mandalore, wielder of the Darksaber...er....anyway
this show seems pretty crowded LOL.
If some of the episodes are as short as those in Season One it'll seem VERY crowded.
Hopefully Season Two will not only have longer episodes but a few more of them. 12 sounds like a good number - get the seasonal average up to 10. Given the lack of original programming available on Disney+ right now, that IMO would be a wise business decision. Assuming, of course, that they don't sacrifice quality for quantity.
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This is so damn cool, Olyphant is awesome. Absolutely loved him in Deadwood and Justified. Both shows are criminally underrated.
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I loved Justified. Very cool show and all the characters had so many layers to them. Hope Olyphant has a good role.
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This constant refrain about Anakin's attachments can be contextualized with Luke for comparison. Luke had attachments too. His aunt and uncle were torched to death. His friend Biggs died. His mentor "Ben" Kenobi died.
Anakin's mom (who he hadn't seen in 10 years) died when he was about 20 years old; that's the same age Luke was in ANH when *all* of his attachments died. And Luke had been with each of them in the past 10 years.
Having attachments lost while being a Skywalker who is strong with the Force doesn't guarantee a bad outcome, no matter how old they are when starting Jedi training. Luke's Jedi teachers were the same ones Anakin had. So this whole "Qui-Gon would've saved Anakin" business is just silly, IMO. Sorry, but I see no reason to believe it. It's just flowery language to make the story seem deeper than it actually was. The sad thing is how many people are eating it up like it's some game-changing revelation.
Because how different he'd be with Qui-Gon is nothing more than pure guessing. Anakin was created by the Force itself, and with a purpose! So his destiny was more his own to make than I think you're willing to concede. It wouldn't be cemented by which Jedi master survived the outcome of some duel with Maul.
And as far as the need for a father figure, the Force created/conceived Anakin with a slave woman who would have to raise him by herself. So, Anakin's destiny was intentionally meant to be fatherless, and all the while still be empowered to restore balance to the Force. It makes no sense for Shmi to be chosen if Anakin being fatherless would actually handicap him in a way where he'd be more vulnerable to joining Palpatine and becoming a Sith. Is the Force stupid or something?
If Anakin had been more like his son when making choices, his fate would've been different. And the fact that his son ended up showing him the right way to do things (having also lost his attachments *and* having the same mentors) is a pretty awesome story resolution.
Is the force stupid or something is hands down the funniest thing I have read here all week.
Filoni really captured the hearts of the original PT younglings and gave them quite the epiphany with his bedtime story didn?t he.
Hell even Wato was a father figure lol
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This constant refrain about Anakin's attachments can be contextualized with Luke for comparison. Luke had attachments too. His aunt and uncle were torched to death. His friend Biggs died. His mentor "Ben" Kenobi died.
Anakin's mom (who he hadn't seen in 10 years) died when he was about 20 years old; that's the same age Luke was in ANH when *all* of his attachments died. And Luke had been with each of them in the past 10 years.
Having attachments lost while being a Skywalker who is strong with the Force doesn't guarantee a bad outcome, no matter how old they are when starting Jedi training. Luke's Jedi teachers were the same ones Anakin had. So this whole "Qui-Gon would've saved Anakin" business is just silly, IMO. Sorry, but I see no reason to believe it. It's just flowery language to make the story seem deeper than it actually was. The sad thing is how many people are eating it up like it's some game-changing revelation.
You can't really compare Luke to Anakin though. Luke was in a position of seeing what falling to the Dark Side does, he used his father's failures to fight off his own potential failures. Anakin never got to see that in someone.
Well.... Lucas said it would as confirmed by Filoni...
If you were raised by a different person, you seriously think you'd be the same with the same exact scenarios playing out in your life? Come on now.
You are really stuck up on this whole father thing. I'm talking about any parental figure, doesn't matter. When he left his mother, he would have gained a father in Qui-Gon. He never gained a father in Kenobi. He gained someone who initially didn't like him, trained him out of guilt and reluctance, far too harsh on him, and ultimately became more of a brother instead of a parent like figure that Anakin could trust.
Luke didn't turn to the dark side because of his father. Anakin didn't have that.
You're right Vader, Obi-Wan, Palpatine, Yoda, 3PO, R2, Chewbacca, and Boba Fett weren't established on screen as characters until they were introduced in the PT.
So once again your contention is that OT characters that appear in a sequel trilogy set decades later must behave a certain way due to them appearing in the OT but OT characters that appear in a PREQUEL trilogy set decades earlier do NOT have to behave a certain way, because reasons.
Your STDS is at such a fever pitch you really can't see your own hypocrisy and double standards can you.
That's some serious military grade lack of self-awareness, but hey if that's what it takes to make you feel better about loving the PT then more power to you.
So once again your contention is that OT characters that appear in a sequel trilogy set decades later must behave a certain way due to them appearing in the OT but OT characters that appear in a PREQUEL trilogy set decades earlier do NOT have to behave a certain way, because reasons.
Your STDS is at such a fever pitch you really can't see your own hypocrisy and double standards can you.
That's some serious military grade lack of self-awareness, but hey if that's what it takes to make you feel better about loving the PT then more power to you.
They should have. PT characters were always going to behave in a different way because ultimately the story of the PT was one building towards loss. Those OT characters you listed were broken at the time of the OT or suffered loss.
The ST, something that should have moved beyond the first two trilogies into something new, played the same old same old and had to copy the OT yet again making older heroes into failures.
Hopefully you see the difference. PT had not choice, ST had a choice to move beyond and make those characters as memorable as they first were in the OT, but didn't.
And STDS works both ways.
Live look at you and JYE when you see an OT character/ship/anything appear in the ST
George Lucas had "no choice" but to make Darth Vader and Boba Fett into stupid little kids?
You're right Vader, Obi-Wan, Palpatine, Yoda, 3PO, R2, Chewbacca, and Boba Fett weren't established on screen as characters until they were introduced in the PT.
Here is how the PT ruined Yoda.
In the OT I just figured Yoda was a little hermit that was strong with the force and trained the Jedi from his swampy home. He was above lightsabers and was one who taught with words and philosophy..
The PT made him this General.. This super Jedi master. Possibly the greatest Jedi ever.. And then... He just goes and runs and hides and gives up. He doesn't even want to train Luke. There is a battle going on out there in the Galaxy and he just hides instead of joining the Rebels.
Here is how the PT ruin Chewbacca.. The Stupid Wookie never told Han just how real the Jedi were and His planet is the worst looking thing in the entire saga
Here is how the PT ruins Vader - Child Killer, back fighter, killer of unarmed aliens, and wife beater.
Obi Wan - Much like Yoda he just runs away and hides.. For some reason he thinks Luke can fight the entire Empire but He and Yoda can not? He already beat Vader once. Sign up with the Rebels *****. He is also shown to be dumb for not being able to remember any droids and allowing Luke to have the same name as his father on the same freaking planet his father lived on.
Boba Fett - Just another Clone
R2 - D2 - Sucky droid that cant remember Obi Wan
I am kinda joking about some of that.. But I have been wondering recently had the PT come out before the OT Like 15years before the OT. I wonder if people who now hate how the ST handled Luke would have felt about the OT handling of Yoda. Just giving up and hiding. Letting a war go on without him. Not wanting to train Luke and thus just giving up the galaxy to the Empire. Should Yoda need convincing to train Luke? I mean if Yoda was your fav character in the PT would you be frustrated that he was just hiding in the new films? Obi Wan is kinda the same. Just hiding while a war goes on.. Why can Luke stop Vader and the Emperor any better then Yoda and Ben? I mean Luke had to Kill Vader in the eyes of Yoda and Obi Wan to save the galaxy.. So even if Luke does that how does he beat the Emperor? In a way the PT ends up making these two cowards.. If Yoda is just a Hermit who trains Jedi and Obi wan is the last of the Jedi Knights and is really as old as he looks then they have to wait for someone else.. But Since Obi Wan was in his Prime and Yoda was a freaking jumping frog with a saber and they both almost defeated both the Emperor and Vader the first time.. Is hiding the answer? Hell Obi Wan already schooled Anakin.. They should have been teaming up with the Rebels instead of waiting for Luke to grow up with no training for 18 years
Would we complain the Luke Could blow up the death Star with the force like we did when Rey used a Jedi mind trick?
Would we all be wondering why Han was such a nonbeliever in the force when his Best friend in the World had a relationship with freaking yoda
Same with Obi Wan and R2... Come on Guys you rescued the Emperor together
Vader would have gotten to be much cooler as a character though
Mind you, i did not know that all the fun moved to this thread and there is a lot to read here and I just sort of skimmed.. So Im sorry if I am missing something here.
Im kinda with Ducky on this. I don't know about all the Father Figure stuff.. But I do believe things would have been different if Qui Gon was training Anakin.
1. I don't thing Qui Gon would have left Anakin's mom on Tatooine. Especially after Anakin started having nightmares.
2. He was the best of the Jedi and knew that the Council was flawed and Dogmatic. I think his training of Anakin would have been a little less conventional.
3. I think the relationship with Padme and Anakin would have not been encouraged but I think Anakin would have confided in Qui Gon without feat of being excommunicated.
4. Qui Gon is the ****
5. Qui Gon would have encouraged Anakin's skills and nurtured him.
Obi wan was a bad Master. He was basically forced into training him and constantly putting Anakin down and embarrassing him in public. Obi Wan had an ego that Qui Gon did not seem to have.
I don't see Qui Gon being very angry at Anakin for using the force to float a piece of Fruit around.
George wrote himself into a corner in the OT here. You can?t blame the PT for having Yoda run and hide when we knew of the existence of the Clone Wars and the Empire/Rebellion conflict ongoing in the OT and yet Yoda is doing nothing.
Here is how the PT ruin Chewbacca.. The Stupid Wookie never told Han just how real the Jedi were and His planet is the worst looking thing in the entire saga
Han probably didn?t believe him.
This is yet another issue where the OT is at fault. Kenobi was hiding and watching over Luke in ANH. George wrote himself into a corner.
Im kinda with Ducky on this. I don't know about all the Father Figure stuff.. But I do believe things would have been different if Qui Gon was training Anakin.
1. I don't thing Qui Gon would have left Anakin's mom on Tatooine. Especially after Anakin started having nightmares.
2. He was the best of the Jedi and knew that the Council was flawed and Dogmatic. I think his training of Anakin would have been a little less conventional.
3. I think the relationship with Padme and Anakin would have not been encouraged but I think Anakin would have confided in Qui Gon without feat of being excommunicated.
4. Qui Gon is the ****
5. Qui Gon would have encouraged Anakin's skills and nurtured him.
Obi wan was a bad Master. He was basically forced into training him and constantly putting Anakin down and embarrassing him in public. Obi Wan had an ego that Qui Gon did not seem to have.
I don't see Qui Gon being very angry at Anakin for using the force to float a piece of Fruit around.
I agree with your points though.
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JAWS not just a wife beater but a pregnant wife beater!
But damn your rant there really made me sour up on the PT again after having slightly forgiven them post ST.
You really destroyed the PT hard this time I don?t know if a recovery is now even possible after that one single post bro.
I mean go reread what you posted damn that is some brutal stuff on Yoda and Obi just brutal.
Sheesh i?m right back to 2005 lol
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But damn your rant there really made me sour up on the PT again after having slightly forgiven them post ST.
You really destroyed the PT hard this time I don?t know if a recovery is now even possible after that one single post bro.
I mean go reread what you posted damn that is some brutal stuff on Yoda and Obi just brutal.
Sheesh i?m right back to 2005 lol
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Don't we have a general Star Wars thread? This thread is for the Mandalorian not overall saga grievances.
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pfft it?s all connected even the ST deniers are just trying to make believe that Mandalorian won?t eventually lead to baby Rey and baby First Order lol
Just wait until Filoni gives his big epiphany speech on the importance of the ST his TCW zealots are not going to know what to do.
Support him or throw him into the KK fire!
You know its coming
Sass, ajp and Khev know the truth!
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Just wait until Filoni gives his big epiphany speech on the importance of the ST his TCW zealots are not going to know what to do.
Support him or throw him into the KK fire!
You know its coming
Sass, ajp and Khev know the truth!
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