The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[jye4ever]

Yes I would agree that is a likely possibility. It's also possible that Kennedy decided to rip The Mandalorian off after she heard about it. I'm not sure at this point that she even has the leverage over Favreau to compel him to do anything in regards to the show. There were once rumors she got kicked off the set, and when you do see her lingering around the show she doesn't look all that important.

Right now we know basically nothing about The Child's background or abilities. We only know he is powerful and the same species as the Yoda. Season two should be very interesting as we should have a much better idea what is actually behind the curtain. How the cute little green guy is handled will go a long way in making or breaking the show because it won't all be a mystery anymore, they are going to have to start explaining some things.

With or without KK the ST is here to stay and never EVER EVER to be ignored what are you not understanding lol


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[user 67922]

Man, Qui-Gon is apparently now the greatest Jedi of all time.

This is simply not true, we all know who the greatest Jedi of all time is...



He even survived Order 66!

 

[Khev]

Man, Qui-Gon is apparently now the greatest Jedi of all time. Didn't Dooku leave the Jedi Order before TPM, though? I gotta believe Palpatine had his eye on that disenchantment. And that's what it comes down to for me: Palpatine! Anakin needed to get close to Palpatine in order to fulfill his destiny. But I don't see how Qui-Gon's training abilities and temperament would've been enough to thwart Palpatine's influence.

It looks like you're conflating Anakin's fate to choose Light or Dark with defeating Palpatine. From what I'm seeing Filoni and others are simply stating that had Qui Gon lived then Anakin most likely would have remained a *good guy.* That's all. Now could he have fulfilled the prophecy and still killed Palpatine as a good guy? Who knows, none of us can say. But personally I wouldn't think that if it was really "the Force" than conceived Anakin that the intention was to simply create their own bad guy to kill another bad guy so I would say that he still could have fulfilled his destiny without being a tormented soul that got corrupted by the Sith.

The Jedi mind trick came out of nowhere in ANH. And so did every Force trick in the OT when shown for the first time. But you know what makes Force healing different? That Jedi in prior movies had opportunities to use it where they *absolutely* would have!

Yeah if they knew how. And ANH can easily be recontextualized to suggest that Old Ben *did* use Force Healing on Luke after the sandpeople attack when he simply touched his forehead and immediately cleared his concussion and restored him to consciousness.

Plus there are lots of times in prior movies where Jedi powers would have proven useful but were ignored for some reason.

And Anakin most certainly would have.

Again *if he knew how.* Either there were things about the Force that the Jedi weren't telling him or there weren't. He says there were and there's no reason to believe otherwise.

It's a power with much more consequence. Luke's Force projection, at the cost of dying, wouldn't be a desirable choice in any prior situation that I ever saw. That's why I love the fatal consequence of it.

Much more consequence? Cost of dying? Um did you see what happened to Ben Solo after he used it on Rey, lol.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Yes I would agree that is a likely possibility. It's also possible that Kennedy decided to rip The Mandalorian off after she heard about it. I'm not sure at this point that she even has the leverage over Favreau to compel him to do anything in regards to the show. There were once rumors she got kicked off the set, and when you do see her lingering around the show she doesn't look all that important.

Right now we know basically nothing about The Child's background or abilities. We only know he is powerful and the same species as the Yoda. Season two should be very interesting as we should have a much better idea what is actually behind the curtain. How the cute little green guy is handled will go a long way in making or breaking the show because it won't all be a mystery anymore, they are going to have to start explaining some things.

So true. It was said that the Yoda species would get named in the show, so I assume when that happens is where we'll get background on why the Child is able to do so many things before even being able to talk. If they don't get this right, it could end up undermining a lot of what has come before in SW. And as much as I've been criticizing Filoni, *this* is where he is much needed, IMO. His knowledge and understanding of the lore will hopefully keep the BY explanation from being problematic. Then we can focus on Fett awesomeness.

 

[jye4ever]

Hold on guys hold on ok Filoni is about to come on and give a speech on the Anakin slaughter of Sand People and younglings...

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[Khev]

With or without KK the ST is here to stay and never EVER EVER to be ignored what are you not understanding lol

Yep regardless of where the merchandise is focused right now all Mando roads lead to the ST and there's just no getting around it.

 

[jye4ever]

Yep regardless of where the merchandise is focused right now all Mando roads lead to the ST and there's just no getting around it.

Filoni fanatics are hoping that Mando ends with a time loop into the PT lol


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[Khev]

Filoni fanatics are hoping that Mando ends with a time loop into the PT lol

Instead Filoni is going to re-edit the end of TROS so that Rey says "Skywalker..." (touches her belly) "...Shmi Skywalker."

Old Lady: "There's a sandstorm comin."

Rey: "I know."

lol

 

[jye4ever]

It looks like you're conflating Anakin's fate to choose Light or Dark with defeating Palpatine. From what I'm seeing Filoni and others are simply stating that had Qui Gon lived then Anakin most likely would have remained a *good guy.* That's all. Now could he have fulfilled the prophecy and still killed Palpatine as a good guy? Who knows, none of us can say. But personally I wouldn't think that if it was really "the Force" than conceived Anakin that the intention was to simply create their own bad guy to kill another bad guy so I would say that he still could have fulfilled his destiny without being a tormented soul that got corrupted by the Sith.



Yeah if they knew how. And ANH can easily be recontextualized to suggest that Old Ben *did* use Force Healing on Luke after the sandpeople attack when he simply touched his forehead and immediately cleared his concussion and restored him to consciousness.

Plus there are lots of times in prior movies where Jedi powers would have proven useful but were ignored for some reason.



Again *if he knew how.* Either there were things about the Force that the Jedi weren't telling him or there weren't. He says there were and there's no reason to believe otherwise.



Much more consequence? Cost of dying? Um did you see what happened to Ben Solo after he used it on Rey, lol.

ajp always confuses me the dude consistently has the top 3 intellectually genius SW posts in this forum YET he somehow always ends up missing some in your face basic moments from TROS lol


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[jye4ever]

Instead Filoni is going to re-edit the end of TROS so that Rey says "Skywalker..." (touches her belly) "...Shmi Skywalker."

Old Lady: "There's a sandstorm comin."

Rey: "I know."

lol

O M G lol

Sorry 89 Joker but i?m laughing in the inside and outside lol


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[ajp4mgs]

It looks like you're conflating Anakin's fate to choose Light or Dark with defeating Palpatine. From what I'm seeing Filoni and others are simply stating that had Qui Gon lived then Anakin most likely would have remained a *good guy.* That's all. Now could he have fulfilled the prophecy and still killed Palpatine as a good guy? Who knows, none of us can say. But personally I wouldn't think that if it was really "the Force" than conceived Anakin that the intention was to simply create their own bad guy to kill another bad guy so I would say that he still could have fulfilled his destiny without being a tormented soul that got corrupted by the Sith.

Oh, I totally agree that Anakin could've fulfilled the prophecy without turning into a Sith. But he needed to be drawn close enough to Palps in order to learn his true identity. No other Jedi was going to get an outright confession from Palps that amounted to "I'm the secret Sith menace." When Anakin ignited his saber against Palps and then turned him in (by telling Mace), it was all good at that point. He had done what he was destined to do. Then his lust for godlike power to avoid his fears becoming reality sent him tragically off course. I'm saying that's all on Anakin. I'm not part of the "it was Kenobi's fault" or "Qui-Gon could've prevented that" camps. I don't see any onscreen evidence to support it. Anakin had choices to make just like Luke did. Kenobi guided both.

Yeah if they knew how. And ANH can easily be recontextualized to suggest that Old Ben *did* use Force Healing on Luke after the sandpeople attack when he simply touched his forehead and immediately cleared his concussion and restored him to consciousness.

If you want to recontextualize that scene in ANH, it's certainly open to that.

Plus there are lots of times in prior movies where Jedi powers would have proven useful but were ignored for some reason.

True.

Again *if he knew how.* Either there were things about the Force that the Jedi weren't telling him or there weren't. He says there were and there's no reason to believe otherwise.

Apparently, the Force healing was kept secret from Obi-Wan too. He could've used it to save the "greatest Jedi of all time" (Qui-Gon).

Much more consequence? Cost of dying? Um did you see what happened to Ben Solo after he used it on Rey, lol.

And did you see what happened to Rey when she used it on Kylo?

 

[ajp4mgs]

ajp always confuses me the dude consistently has the top 3 intellectually genius SW posts in this forum YET he somehow always ends up missing some in your face basic moments from TROS lol


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The time will come, my friend, when you see TROS for what it truly is.

Or you won't, and I'll still dig reading your hilarious posts.

 

[TurdFurgusonsHat]

With or without KK the ST is here to stay and never EVER EVER to be ignored what are you not understanding lol


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It could easily be ignored. The Mandalorian could just end without ever mentioning the ST. Why double down on dumpster fire level fan fiction?

 

[ajp4mgs]

Hold on guys hold on ok Filoni is about to come on and give a speech on the Anakin slaughter of Sand People and younglings...

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Instead Filoni is going to re-edit the end of TROS so that Rey says "Skywalker..." (touches her belly) "...Shmi Skywalker."

Old Lady: "There's a sandstorm comin."

Rey: "I know."

lol

You guys are awesome.

 

[Sassafras]

Yes I would agree that is a likely possibility. It's also possible that Kennedy decided to rip The Mandalorian off after she heard about it. I'm not sure at this point that she even has the leverage over Favreau to compel him to do anything in regards to the show. There were once rumors she got kicked off the set, and when you do see her lingering around the show she doesn't look all that important.

Right now we know basically nothing about The Child's background or abilities. We only know he is powerful and the same species as the Yoda. Season two should be very interesting as we should have a much better idea what is actually behind the curtain. How the cute little green guy is handled will go a long way in making or breaking the show because it won't all be a mystery anymore, they are going to have to start explaining some things.

IMO she never was, except to sign checks. 'Coz Favreau had a story in hand, and - Favreau and Filoni. People who don't need someone to tell them how to execute. It's cringe watching KK stick her face into pictures with cast and crew.

Also amusing reading/hearing Gina talk about her appreciation of Bryce Dallas Howard, John Favreau, the stuntpeople, the cast. KK - a "p'wrful" female on set - never mentioned. Unlike when MCU directors, articles, actors talk about Feige.

(OK - I'll give KK this. Maybe. If Deborah Chow is still gonna direct the Obi-wan series. Unless Chow, like a lot of directors, has other projects in line and gets tired of waiting around for a script, even with expected Covid delays.)

Tho Mandalorian set and filming breakthroughs which allow less people on set are being seen as a way to save productions. Really hope one day there's a huge walk-through display where you can kind of walk through Navarro and other locations.
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[Khev]

Oh, I totally agree that Anakin could've fulfilled the prophecy without turning into a Sith. But he needed to be drawn close enough to Palps in order to learn his true identity. No other Jedi was going to get an outright confession from Palps that amounted to "I'm the secret Sith menace." When Anakin ignited his saber against Palps and then turned him in (by telling Mace), it was all good at that point. He had done what he was destined to do. Then his lust for godlike power to avoid his fears becoming reality sent him tragically off course. I'm saying that's all on Anakin. I'm not part of the "it was Kenobi's fault" or "Qui-Gon could've prevented that" camps. I don't see any onscreen evidence to support it. Anakin had choices to make just like Luke did. Kenobi guided both.

Did you see my post where I said how unfair it was for Obi-Wan to be burdened with the utterly insane level of responsibility of training a problematic, attachment prone, hyper-talented youth like Anakin? I think you can allow that Qui Gon might have helped him stay good without putting "blame" per se on Obi-Wan. Why the hell didn't Mace or Yoda or Ki Adi Mundi train him if they were all so concerned?

If you want to recontextualize that scene in ANH, it's certainly open to that.

I feel like I've seen before that a discarded draft of ANH did come out and say that Obi-Wan used the Force to revive Luke but hell if I can find that reference now, lol.

Apparently, the Force healing was kept secret from Obi-Wan too. He could've used it to save the "greatest Jedi of all time" (Qui-Gon).

But two things:

If Force Healing is a top tier power like Force Projection that can *kill* you depending on how far you go with it I seriously doubt that it would be taught to "reckless" 20 year old padawans.

Or if you want to say that young Obi-Wan *was* aware of the power well he was also a practitioner of "Force Speed" and he didn't exactly use that to come to the aid of his master either now did he?

And did you see what happened to Rey when she used it on Kylo?

Yes but again it still falls under the same umbrella that you put Force Projection in that it can kill you depending on how far you go with it.

You guys are awesome.

 

[The Buffinator]

Here is how the PT ruined Yoda.

In the OT I just figured Yoda was a little hermit that was strong with the force and trained the Jedi from his swampy home. He was above lightsabers and was one who taught with words and philosophy..

The PT made him this General.. This super Jedi master. Possibly the greatest Jedi ever.. And then... He just goes and runs and hides and gives up. He doesn't even want to train Luke. There is a battle going on out there in the Galaxy and he just hides instead of joining the Rebels.

Here is how the PT ruin Chewbacca.. The Stupid Wookie never told Han just how real the Jedi were and His planet is the worst looking thing in the entire saga

Here is how the PT ruins Vader - Child Killer, back fighter, killer of unarmed aliens, and wife beater.

Obi Wan - Much like Yoda he just runs away and hides.. For some reason he thinks Luke can fight the entire Empire but He and Yoda can not? He already beat Vader once. Sign up with the Rebels *****. He is also shown to be dumb for not being able to remember any droids and allowing Luke to have the same name as his father on the same freaking planet his father lived on.

I am kinda joking about some of that.. But I have been wondering recently had the PT come out before the OT Like 15years before the OT. I wonder if people who now hate how the ST handled Luke would have felt about the OT handling of Yoda. Just giving up and hiding. Letting a war go on without him. Not wanting to train Luke and thus just giving up the galaxy to the Empire. Should Yoda need convincing to train Luke? I mean if Yoda was your fav character in the PT would you be frustrated that he was just hiding in the new films? Obi Wan is kinda the same. Just hiding while a war goes on.. Why can Luke stop Vader and the Emperor any better then Yoda and Ben? I mean Luke had to Kill Vader in the eyes of Yoda and Obi Wan to save the galaxy.. So even if Luke does that how does he beat the Emperor? In a way the PT ends up making these two cowards.. If Yoda is just a Hermit who trains Jedi and Obi wan is the last of the Jedi Knights and is really as old as he looks then they have to wait for someone else.. But Since Obi Wan was in his Prime and Yoda was a freaking jumping frog with a saber and they both almost defeated both the Emperor and Vader the first time.. Is hiding the answer? Hell Obi Wan already schooled Anakin.. They should have been teaming up with the Rebels instead of waiting for Luke to grow up with no training for 18 years

Would we complain the Luke Could blow up the death Star with the force like we did when Rey used a Jedi mind trick?

Would we all be wondering why Han was such a nonbeliever in the force when his Best friend in the World had a relationship with freaking yoda

Same with Obi Wan and R2... Come on Guys you rescued the Emperor together

Vader would have gotten to be much cooler as a character though

The element of the PT that made it even worse was the abundance of Jedi, padawans and younglings. True, Order 66 wiped all of them out save for Yoda, Obi-Wan and (if we're including TCW) Ahsoka, but the implication was there would be plenty more broom boys popping up all over the galaxy while Luke and Leia grew up. So not only did Yoda & Obi-Wan hide and not join the fight, they were apparently fine with Palpatine & Darth finding these kids and disposing of them.

 

[Khev]

The element of the PT that made it even worse was the abundance of Jedi, padawans and younglings. True, Order 66 wiped all of them out save for Yoda, Obi-Wan and (if we're including TCW) Ahsoka, but the implication was there would be plenty more broom boys popping up all over the galaxy while Luke and Leia grew up. So not only did Yoda & Obi-Wan hide and not join the fight, they were apparently fine with Palpatine & Darth finding these kids and disposing of them.

Holy crap you're right. The PT doubled down hard on the "you're born with the Force" but Yoda and Obi-Wan ignored each and every one of those kids for decades. It's even worse after you watch TCW "Holocron Heist" and realize that after Palpatine cleared the temple he had access to the location of each and every one of those defenseless kids.

 

[JAWS]

Man, Qui-Gon is apparently now the greatest Jedi of all time.

Yes he was.. At least the smartest

Blaming Kenobi (who went on to train Luke) for Anakin turning is just weird to me. Anakin had inherent flaws, and only he himself would've been capable of overcoming them because all of his Jedi mentors were giving him the knowledge he needed. Palps just knew how to play the game better and make the dark side more appealing to a guy who lusted for godlike powers.

I don't know if you are just a big Kenobi fan and its messing with your brain a bit but Kenobi just was not a good teacher. He didn't tell Obi Wan to basically shut his face when he disagreed with him. Qui Gon knew who and what Anakin was..

Now is there a chance that Anakin still goes to the dark side? Sure.. If that is where Lucas wanted him to go but there is a reason that Lucas shows Obi wan being a poor master to Anakin.. I mean Who the **** does not go and help someone save their mom but instead just says to forget about her?

I gotta believe that Anakin had a whole lot of resentment for the Obi Wan and the Jedi rules after that.

Just look at how Qui Gon interacts with him in TPM compared to Obi Wan... Obi Wan can barley be bothered that the kid even exists. Believes the boy is dangerous because the Jedi council says so and only trains him because of a promise.

And then you have John Williams theme Duel of the Fates.. I do think that is an interesting title and like what Filoni had to say about that.

Palps would have tried to get to Anakin.. But he would have had a true mentor and yes a "Father figure" in Qui Gon.. Ultimately that is the role that Palps played with Anakin to lure him in. It may have been harder with a caring "Father" already in the picture. My guess if the Emperor would have gone out of his way to make sure Qui Gon was killed.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Did you see my post where I said how unfair it was for Obi-Wan to be burdened with the utterly insane level of responsibility of training a problematic, attachment prone, hyper-talented youth like Anakin? I think you can allow that Qui Gon might have helped him stay good without putting "blame" per se on Obi-Wan. Why the hell didn't Mace or Yoda or Ki Adi Mundi train him if they were all so concerned?

You nailed it with that question! *Every* Jedi was oblivious to how Palpatine was working with them while simultaneously working against them. In the council's mind, Obi-Wan was doing a great job with Anakin. We know this from their disinterest in having Anakin trained by one of the more seasoned/great masters. There was enough satisfaction in his progress to make him one of the generals in the Grand Army.

I think the idea of Qui-Gon being uniquely able to detect a special need in Anakin ignores the fact that Palpatine would've found a way to subvert whatever training and guidance Qui-Gon could offer. To me, Anakin *did* have proper guidance from his Jedi training. Palpatine just knew what buttons to push, and Anakin made bad choices by constantly being so full of himself and wanting more power.

There's even a case I could make that had Qui-Gon not called him "the Chosen One" while young Anakin was in the room, he wouldn't have gotten so full of himself and what he could be capable of. Maybe Qui-Gon would've fostered that "Chosen One" label and made Anakin even more maniacally power hungry. The movies don't give any reason to *know* one way or another. Only useless speculation. That's why I laugh at the hype Filoni's "duel of the fates" talk is getting. And jye seems to be the only other person who sees how silly it is.