The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[ajp4mgs]

Yes he was.. At least the smartest



I don't know if you are just a big Kenobi fan and its messing with your brain a bit but Kenobi just was not a good teacher. He didn't tell Obi Wan to basically shut his face when he disagreed with him. Qui Gon knew who and what Anakin was..

Now is there a chance that Anakin still goes to the dark side? Sure.. If that is where Lucas wanted him to go but there is a reason that Lucas shows Obi wan being a poor master to Anakin.. I mean Who the **** does not go and help someone save their mom but instead just says to forget about her?

I gotta believe that Anakin had a whole lot of resentment for the Obi Wan and the Jedi rules after that.

Just look at how Qui Gon interacts with him in TPM compared to Obi Wan... Obi Wan can barley be bothered that the kid even exists. Believes the boy is dangerous because the Jedi council says so and only trains him because of a promise.

And then you have John Williams theme Duel of the Fates.. I do think that is an interesting title and like what Filoni had to say about that.

Palps would have tried to get to Anakin.. But he would have had a true mentor and yes a "Father figure" in Qui Gon.. Ultimately that is the role that Palps played with Anakin to lure him in. It may have been harder with a caring "Father" already in the picture. My guess if the Emperor would have gone out of his way to make sure Qui Gon was killed.

Yes, Qui-Gon was certainly smart. Lucas even went so far as to have him be the one who figured out how to become a Force ghost. And Qui-Gon actually spoke to Anakin (and was ignored) when he slaughtered those Tuskens. Then he spoke to Yoda from the great beyond. But nothing he was capable of contributing would've changed the fact that Anakin was destined to get close to Palpatine. From there, the choices he'd be faced with were up to him.

And if Obi-Wan was so awful with Anakin, why would George include scenes where Anakin was professing how he appreciated Kenobi's friendship, and even fatherly role?

 

[JAWS]

Something that I always hope my posts do is kind of have the "Filoni effect" on people who may be on the fence about movies I love. I know I'll never change the mind of a hardened hater but I like to think that sometimes my takes *might* help someone who was skewing slightly negative to go "oh wow, okay when you put it like that yeah that is pretty cool, okay I can get behind that!"

But I swear TheDucky is like the anti-Filoni, lol. Whenever I find myself coming around on the PT he comes and just unloads a torrent of STDS induced bashing and then holds the very *worst* aspects of the PT (Kid Boba, "Superstar" Ani, wtf??) above *much* better films and characters. Which triggers my own logic and common sense to the point that I can't help but say um what are you talking about that stuff is garbage, lol.

I'll give you credit ironwez. You wisely shut up on the ST comparisons when you see one of us praising ROTS. *And* you have the good sense to recognize each and every one of that film's faults. I can respect a take that says "man despite the cringey writing, wooden acting, and distracting 2D backdrops there's just a certain charm to the cartoony aesthetic, rich world building and operatic drama that always sucks me in regardless."

But imagine if someone was iffy about the ST and then they go "hmm, you know that final Han scene *was* pretty awesome if I'm being honest" and then I immediately follow with "SEE???? And now do you understand why Rose Tico is GREATER THAN ESB HAN?!???" I'm pretty sure that person would be all "WTF?!? Okay never mind TROS sucks, you ST fans are just too kooky," lol.

Star Wars Theory just posted that after reading TheDucky's rants even he hates the PT now, lol.

The PT is a wonky mess that has more focus as a trilogy then the ST. It got some stand out scenes and some good characters but has some awful acting, script writing, some bad characters, some bad CGI and messed up some of the OT characters for some people.

The ST is a wonky mess that was not focused as a trilogy. It has got some stand out scenes, some great characters, outstanding FX, very good acting, but issues with continuity and plot holes. It has some bad characters and strange story lines and messed up some of the OT characters for some people.


I don't know.. I can see disliking one series and not the other but we all need to be honest... We love the idea of SW and because of that we are willing to forgive some pretty average to bad films

I would argue that the first Transformers film is a better made movie then all of the PT / ST / Solo / and ROTJ.. What does that say about SW

 

[JAWS]

Yes, Qui-Gon was certainly smart. Lucas even went so far as to have him be the one who figured out how to become a Force ghost. And Qui-Gon actually spoke to Anakin (and was ignored) when he slaughtered those Tuskens. Then he spoke to Yoda from the great beyond. But nothing he was capable of contributing would've changed the fact that Anakin was destined to get close to Palpatine. From there, the choices he'd be faced with were up to him.

And if Obi-Wan was so awful with Anakin, why would George include scenes where Anakin was professing how he appreciated Kenobi's friendship, and even fatherly role?

I am not one for the whole Prophecy and predestination... If you want to say believe it then you have to say that Qui Gon had to die for that predestination to happen.. Otherwise you have the Butterfly effect.

I am sure there are things about Obi Wan that Anakin liked and respected. I am sure it was not all bad. I just think a better leader / mentor would have been advantageous to a Young Anakin. There is such a thing as tuff love.. There is also such a thing as just being a ****

Anakin - "We have come here to save you master"
Obi Wan - "Good Job"

What a ****

 

[Khev]

I would argue that the first Transformers film is a better made movie then all of the PT / ST / Solo / and ROTJ.. What does that say about SW

I've always believed that the original TF flick had a significant level of Spielberg's direct input that was sadly lacking in every other film in the series that Bay directed.

There is such a thing as tuff love.. There is also such a thing as just being a ****

Anakin - "We have come here to save you master"
Obi Wan - "Good Job"

What a ****

Lol!

"Since I'm the only one here who has single-handedly defeated a seasoned Sith Lord the Chancellor thinks I should go fight Grievous."

"No, even though you have the proven skill to win you can't go because you don't have the title of Master (which we arbitrarily are choosing not to give you. *snicker*)"

Yep, total a-holes, lol.

 

[TheDucky]

Something that I always hope my posts do is kind of have the "Filoni effect" on people who may be on the fence about movies I love. I know I'll never change the mind of a hardened hater but I like to think that sometimes my takes *might* help someone who was skewing slightly negative to go "oh wow, okay when you put it like that yeah that is pretty cool, okay I can get behind that!"

Your posts only dig the ST grave deeper for me. It's great watching you trying to make sense of TROS and trying to re-contextualize everything as if it was some big grand plan to show it isn't terrible, but the mere fact you even have to attempt all the jumping through hoops is the problem.

But I swear TheDucky is like the anti-Filoni, lol. Whenever I find myself coming around on the PT he comes and just unloads a torrent of STDS induced bashing and then holds the very *worst* aspects of the PT (Kid Boba, "Superstar" Ani, wtf??) above *much* better films and characters. Which triggers my own logic and common sense to the point that I can't help but say um what are you talking about that stuff is garbage, lol.

That joke went over your head.

Do you read your and JYEs posts? PTDS. Dude comes into random threads, stretches the truth on everything, basically lies about what I say, then you come in and randomly start bashing it too. Both are doing it now.

You guys have been doing this for 20 years. I've been doing it for a few months because I'm stuck in my house.

I'll give you credit ironwez. You wisely shut up on the ST comparisons when you see one of us praising ROTS. *And* you have the good sense to recognize each and every one of that film's faults. I can respect a take that says "man despite the cringey writing, wooden acting, and distracting 2D backdrops there's just a certain charm to the cartoony aesthetic, rich world building and operatic drama that always sucks me in regardless."

I don't understand your constant slights against me. It's funny that you get this mad over this

Star Wars Theory just posted that after reading TheDucky's rants even he hates the PT now, lol.

You mean the guy who posts 90% PT content? That dude is so great it took him 15 years and Filoni telling him to figure out what Duel of Fates signified

I understand your point, and it's fair, but there are clear parallels between Anakin's journey and Luke's that were put on screen to intentionally highlight how they faced the same dilemmas but chose differently.

When Anakin faced off a second time with the guy who cut his hand off, he executed him. When Luke faced off a second time with the guy who cut his hand off, he stopped himself from going that far. I know you're going to say "that's because it was his dad," but in that moment it was just Darth Vader (not "dad") to him.

Anakin didn't choose to execute Dooku because of what happened to his mom, or what was going to happen to Padme. He did it because Palpatine could feel his anger and knew how to use that to keep getting Anakin closer to the dark side. Luke and Anakin had journeys that "rhymed" for a reason.

The only reason he didn't kill Vader was because he was his dad. They didn't face the same dilemmas because Luke had a father who fell to the dark side and Anakin didn't. Similar, but ultimately different.

I keep bringing it up because that was *the whole point* of Filoni's speech. Didn't you listen to it? Filoni said that Anakin grew close to Palpatine as a father figure, and only because Qui-Gon wasn't there to serve that purpose. To me, that just flies in the face of so much contrary story foundation.

I never said I agreed with that part. I even told you I viewed Palpatine more as a friend than a father figure.

Amazing, every word you just said was...100% true, lol.

If I can appreciate SBD's and Droid Gunships in Mando and Palps quoting ROTS dialogue in TROS as well as the freaking awesome TCW finale then the ST can *easily* be redeemed by appropriately cool follow-up material. And that's just for the people who currently *don't* like the ST. For the kids today who will grow up with the theatrical adventures of Rey and Kylo always being a part of them it will be a total non-issue just like it was for the little Duckys and wezys of yesteryear.

The main difference of course being that the ST will always be timeless with regard to the writing, acting, cinematography, and visual effects which will all come to the forefront even more each year as STDS fades and eventually disappears entirely.

I have given you evidence from Halloween Costume Sales to Google Trends to Comic Sales to Toy Sales and everything says the ST is not timeless, that it is already failing. Yup, some true STDS for you to ignore all evidence and failing to come to terms with it.

The writing was a mess with no plan, stolen plot points from the OT, TFA is a remake of ANH, TLJ was awful, TROS was rushed.

The acting was a joke outside of the villains.

The cinematography was awful, Rey/Palps fight looks straight out of a PS2 video game.

I?m just going to come out and say it there is nothing and I mean absolutely NOTHING in the PT no cool looking clone troopers or maul battle that is as great as the Rey v Kylo with Han and Leia scene in TROS there just isn?t so sorry.

Palpatine opera is literally the ONLY standalone super standout scene in all of the PT I can?t even add the maul battle because it cuts in and out from complete utter gungan nonsense!

I love ROTS Anakin vs Dooku all 30 seconds of it lol

The PT has even LESS space wars than the spaceless ST.


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I?m just going to come out and say it there is nothing and I mean absolutely NOTHING in the ST no cool looking storm troopers or lightsaber battle that is as great as the Anakin v Kenobi with Han and Leia scene in ESB there just isn?t so sorry.

Rey opening in TFA is literally the ONLY standalone super standout scene in all of the ST I can?t even add the final battle because it is utter nonsense!

I love ROTS

The ST has even LESS space wars than the Mandalorian!

Come on ajp, don't drink Ducky's koolaid. Did you complain that Luke used a brand new never before seen on screen power (telekinesis) in the Wampa cave with NO master at all? Rey had the ancient texts. We can easily assume that the texts had long hidden secrets like Force Projection and Force Healing. And she had Leia to help guide her. Last I checked you didn't take issue with Luke using the Force Projection out of the blue either.

Wow. Now trying to bring down the OT to prop up the ST. STDS indeed.

I didn't realize struggling to lift a lightsaber is the same as doing mind tricks and battling Kylo Ren with no training or ancient texts. Ancient texts such a complete cop out.

With or without KK the PT is here to stay and never EVER EVER to be ignored what are you not understanding lol


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Fixed.

Yep regardless of where the merchandise is focused right now all Mando roads lead to the ST and there's just no getting around it.

They will just ignore it. Which they will, because all evidence suggests the ST is a failure at every level but the box office and even then I could have made that movie and it would have done the same. Critically, merchandise, cultural relevance, etc...

The element of the PT that made it even worse was the abundance of Jedi, padawans and younglings. True, Order 66 wiped all of them out save for Yoda, Obi-Wan and (if we're including TCW) Ahsoka, but the implication was there would be plenty more broom boys popping up all over the galaxy while Luke and Leia grew up. So not only did Yoda & Obi-Wan hide and not join the fight, they were apparently fine with Palpatine & Darth finding these kids and disposing of them.

Holy crap you're right. The PT doubled down hard on the "you're born with the Force" but Yoda and Obi-Wan ignored each and every one of those kids for decades. It's even worse after you watch TCW "Holocron Heist" and realize that after Palpatine cleared the temple he had access to the location of each and every one of those defenseless kids.

Yeah, it really sucks how the OT wrote the PT into a hole with that, doesn't it?

 

[Khev]

You guys have been doing this for 20 years. I've been doing it for a few months because I'm stuck in my house.

Is that your excuse for why you're so bad at it?

"The OT painted the PT into a corner." Yes, blame the OT for the shortcomings of the PT, lol. Because you know we *had* to see former badasses as little kids, there *had* to be only two Sith, George *had* to make 3PO Anakin's childhood hand made droid, he *had* to have all the stuff we actually wanted to see like the Clone Wars, Anakin eradicating the Jedi, and so on occur off screen, George *had* to write bad dialogue himself, etc., etc.

What an excuse. And to dare say that while blasting RJ for the corner that he actually *was* painted into and then the corner that JJ had to come out of himself with TROS.

Nobody's mad, we're just a little bit disappointed in you for being so blind to shortcomings of the PT especially the ones that are far worse than the ST. I get loving something so much that you *turn* a blind eye to its faults, but you're taking it to a whole new level.

And no, I'm not doing the same. What am I gonna say do that the Goonies knife and sentimental snake weren't silly? Of course they were but eh, whatever, TROS nailed all the important stuff and the silly stuff at least makes me chuckle so I'm good.

 

[TheDucky]

Is that your excuse for why you're so bad at it?

"The OT painted the PT into a corner." Yes, blame the OT for the shortcomings of the PT, lol. Because you know we *had* to see former badasses as little kids, there *had* to be only two Sith, George *had* to make 3PO Anakin's childhood hand made droid, he *had* to have all the stuff we actually wanted to see like the Clone Wars, Anakin eradicating the Jedi, and so on occur off screen, George *had* to write bad dialogue himself, etc., etc.

What an excuse. And to dare say that while blasting RJ for the corner that he actually *was* painted into and then the corner that JJ had to come out of himself with TROS.

Nobody's mad, we're just a little bit disappointed in you for being so blind to shortcomings of the PT especially the ones that are far worse than the ST. I get loving something so much that you *turn* a blind eye to its faults, but you're taking it to a whole new level.

Rian painted Rian into a corner.

Disney, JJ, Rian, LFL, etc... had all the time in the world to get the ST right. To plan it out. To make a cohesive story. They didn't and rushed to the box office to get their money back.

 

[Khev]

Rian painted Rian into a corner.

Disney, JJ, Rian, LFL, etc... had all the time in the world to get the ST right. To plan it out. To make a cohesive story. They didn't and rushed to the box office to get their money back.

All the time in the world. While the main OT actors were in their 60's and 70's. Uh huh. Now tell me how much time George had between ROTJ and TPM to get the PT right. I'm sorry but what you state is pure foolishness. If you really love the PT as much as you say you do then I think you might be better off just posting a link to Filoni's speech and calling it a day...

That's my Qui Gon tough love recommendation for the day, lol.

 

[TheDucky]

Nobody's mad, we're just a little bit disappointed in you for being so blind to shortcomings of the PT especially the ones that are far worse than the ST. I get loving something so much that you *turn* a blind eye to its faults, but you're taking it to a whole new level.

And no, I'm not doing the same. What am I gonna say do that the Goonies knife and sentimental snake weren't silly? Of course they were but eh, whatever, TROS nailed all the important stuff and the silly stuff at least makes me chuckle so I'm good.

I've already acknowledged the short comings of the PT. I wrote a huge response of the problems and what I would change. Anakin's age, dialogue, some acting, etc...

Just because I don't follow up every pro-PT post with: "but yeah it has issues" doesn't mean I'm blind to the issues it does has

All the time in the world. While the main OT actors were in their 60's and 70's. Uh huh. Now tell me how much time George had between ROTJ and TPM to get the PT right. I'm sorry but what you state is pure foolishness. If you really love the PT as much as you say you do I recommend just posting a link to Filoni's speech and calling it a day...

They have been planning that on some level for years. The Lucas Deal didn't come up over night. They squandered away time, threw out Lucas' ideas, and still rushed it. I'll admit they didn't have all the time in the world, an exaggeration on my part, but they could have took another year at least.

 

[The Buffinator]

All the time in the world. While the main OT actors were in their 60's and 70's. Uh huh. Now tell me how much time George had between ROTJ and TPM to get the PT right. I'm sorry but what you state is pure foolishness. If you really love the PT as much as you say you do then I think you might be better off just posting a link to Filoni's speech and calling it a day...

That's my Qui Gon tough love recommendation for the day, lol.

At least Rian & JJ can point fingers at each other. The PT/OT disconnects are all on Georgie boy.

 

[jye4ever]

This is why the ST can be saved but not the PT.

No one here has given a better argument on how the ST not only derailed TLJ but also the entire saga than ajp.....BUT...

Khev has been there at every single turn to competently defend and completely nullify every single attack from no matter how well thought out he presented them and they were and remain high quality arguments from ajp.

But what JAWS posted about the PT absolutely can NOT be contested in any manner by khev, ajp, Ducky, ironwez or Prime.

JAWS (with an assist from Buff lol) have absolutely obliterated, eviscerated and pulverized the PT there is just no coming back from that so very sorry Filoni groupies lol


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[JAWS]

This is why the ST can be saved but not the PT.

No one here has given a better argument on how the ST not only derailed TLJ but also the entire saga than ajp.....BUT...

Khev has been there at every single turn to competently defend and completely nullify every single attack from no matter how well thought out he presented them and they were and remain high quality arguments from ajp.

But what JAWS posted about the PT absolutely can NOT be contested in any manner by khev, ajp, Ducky, ironwez or Prime.

JAWS (with an assist from Buff lol) have absolutely obliterated, eviscerated and pulverized the PT there is just no coming back from that so very sorry Filoni groupies lol


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Wait... What? I did? I don't even hate the PT

 

[jye4ever]

No backsies lol


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[JAWS]

Is that your excuse for why you're so bad at it?

"The OT painted the PT into a corner."
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What Ducky is saying is that there was no Plan by Lucas with this whole sage

 

[TheDucky]

What Ducky is saying is that there was no Plan by Lucas with this whole sage

More of a plan than the ST still had though. But you guys are sitting here blaming the PT for some problems that were established in the OT. Kenobi/Yoda hiding in exile? OT problem.

 

[a-dev]

Filoni fanatics are hoping that Mando ends with a time loop into the PT lol


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Instead Filoni is going to re-edit the end of TROS so that Rey says "Skywalker..." (touches her belly) "...Shmi Skywalker."

Old Lady: "There's a sandstorm comin."

Rey: "I know."

lol

 

[JAWS]

George wrote himself into a corner in the OT here. You can?t blame the PT for having Yoda run and hide when we knew of the existence of the Clone Wars and the Empire/Rebellion conflict ongoing in the OT and yet Yoda is doing nothing.

Sure I can.. Obi Wan and Yoda as a duo would have been a big help to the Rebels. I get there are a ton of Clones.. But play as soon as the Rebels came out they should have been ready to help.

I mean why is "Luke our only hope" ? Ben already handed Vader his Ass.. If luke can join up with the Rebels why not Yoda and Ben? ​

Now if Lucas stayed a little more faithful to the foundation he set in the OT.

If Yoda is a great jedi master who teaches the ways of the force and not a "great Warrior" Ha Wars not make one great.. Then he is where he always is Doing what he always does.. Not really seen as a threat by the empire because he is not a warrior.. But the Jedi hide him anyways just in case so he can train more possible Jedi in the future. Maybe Lucas always saw him as a great warrior Jedi.. I just don't think that comes across in the OT. He is very powerful yes but not a Jedi warrior..

But by showing him with a saber and jumping around and leading armies.. Well one could say he might be a bit like Luke in the ST.. Just hiding away because of fear.

Han probably didn?t believe him.

Nah.. Just more bad writing from Lucas and "true fan service" at the expense of the story.. Chewie should have never been in the PT

This is yet another issue where the OT is at fault. Kenobi was hiding and watching over Luke in ANH. George wrote himself into a corner.​

Vader knows he has a kid.. He even knows he has a boy.. Clueless that he has a daughter. So the Jedi hide Leia and Kenobi is sent to be a guardian for Luke because the Emperor and Vader know a boy is out there.. Still should have changed his name but there is another example of even Lucas not having an overall plan. So now instead of Obi Wan just hiding from the bad guys keeping an eye over someone nobody knows exists he is there to protect a child from the Empire.​

That's why my question was "how would people feel about these characters if everything about the movies was the same but the PT really did come out first.

Personally Ducky everything I listed is not really an issue for me at all. I don't see it as Lucas painting himself in a corner. I do think there are better ways he could have handled the story so that the PT and OT lined up a bit better.

I think some of these inconstancies come across as just an example of no "overall plan" for the original six films as the ST has from film to film..

But I will admit George had 15 + years between the two.. But IMO he could have thought it out and maybe sacrificed some ideas he like for the PT so they would line up better with the OT.

Again I am not dumping on the PT.. Just pointing out yet again that except for ANH and ESB all of these films are problematic and have some pretty obvious issues.

 

[JAWS]

More of a plan than the ST still had though. But you guys are sitting here blaming the PT for some problems that were established in the OT. Kenobi/Yoda hiding in exile? OT problem.

Its not an OT problem if Lucas writes better for the PT.

I just don't think he cared.. He was like RJ.. He wanted to tell his own story.. Screw that young Lucas guy

 

[JAWS]

More of a plan than the ST still had though. But you guys are sitting here blaming the PT for some problems that were established in the OT. Kenobi/Yoda hiding in exile? OT problem.

Gotta comment here again.. Khev feel free to correct me

George did not know

Vader was going to be Lukes father
Leia was Luke's Sister
Leia could not have memories of her mother as she dies at childbirth
That Obi Wan went on Adventures with R2-D2
That Chewie and Yoda were old friends
There was a prophecy
Boba Fett was a Clone
Han really shot first.
Qui Gon is Obi Wan's Jedi master (Said it was Yoda)
That there could only be two Sith (Why try and get luke to join Vader and Palps)
That there were so many Jedi only 20 years ago that there is just no possible way Han would not believe in the Force
Just how powerful the jedi really are.
Lucas did think that Uncle Owen and Vader were had some kind of relationship [FONT=Verdana,Geneva,sans-serif]"Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough.” but your uncle wouldn't allow it.. he was afraid that you would follow damn obi-wan on some “idealistic crusade” like your father did."

Some of these things are great (Luke is Vader's son) most of these are because George didnt want to be consistent because he wanted to tell a story with his new CGI machine and not be held down to what came before.

This is not the fault of the OT.. Nope they were first.. You have to follow their rules and story... George even had a problem doing that in the OT.. Hence another reason that Jedi is basically crap because most of the inconsistancies come from that film within the OT. [/FONT]

 

[ajp4mgs]

If Yoda is a great jedi master who teaches the ways of the force and not a "great Warrior" Ha Wars not make one great.. Then he is where he always is Doing what he always does.. Not really seen as a threat by the empire because he is not a warrior.. But the Jedi hide him anyways just in case so he can train more possible Jedi in the future. Maybe Lucas always saw him as a great warrior Jedi.. I just don't think that comes across in the OT. He is very powerful yes but not a Jedi warrior..

But by showing him with a saber and jumping around and leading armies.. Well one could say he might be a bit like Luke in the ST.. Just hiding away because of fear.

You describe Yoda exactly the way Lucas envisioned him in the early 80's. He was meant to be a spiritual guru; never intended to be someone who would swing a lightsaber in combat.

Below is an exchange between George, Lawrence Kasdan, and Richard Marquand when they were making ROTJ. This conversation is documented in the Rinzler book.

Lucas: Like yoga. If you want to take the time to do it, you can do it; but the ones that really want to do it are the ones who are into that kind of thing. Also like karate. Also another misconception is that Yoda teaches Jedi, but he is like a guru; he doesn?t go out and fight anybody.

Kasdan: A Jedi Master is a Jedi isn?t he?

Lucas: Well, he is a teacher, not a real Jedi. Understand that?

Kasdan: I understand what you?re saying, but I can?t believe it; I am in shock.

Lucas: It?s true, absolutely true, not that it makes any difference to the story.

Kasdan: You mean he wouldn?t be any good in a fight?

Lucas: Not with Darth Vader he wouldn?t.

Kasdan: I accept it, but I don?t like it.

Here's the extended version of the conversation in spoiler tags (because posting it without those would lead to too much scrolling down to get to the next post ). If you haven't read it, please do! It shows how different George ended up making the PT from what he had envisioned in the 80's.

Spoiler

Lucas: Anakin Skywalker starting hanging out with the Emperor, who at this point nobody knew was that bad, because he was an elected official.

Kasdan: Was he a Jedi?

Lucas: No, he was a politician. Richard M. Nixon was his name. He subverted the senate and finally took over and became an imperial guy and he was really evil. But he pretended to be a really nice guy. He sucked Luke?s father into the dark side.

Kasdan: The Force was available to anyone who could hook into it?

Lucas: Yes, everybody can do it.

Kasdan: Not just the Jedi?

Lucas: It?s just the Jedi who take the time to do it.

Marquand: They use it as a technique.

Lucas: Like yoga. If you want to take the time to do it, you can do it; but the ones that really want to do it are the ones who are into that kind of thing. Also like karate. Also another misconception is that Yoda teaches Jedi, but he is like a guru; he doesn?t go out and fight anybody.

Kasdan: A Jedi Master is a Jedi isn?t he?

Lucas: Well, he is a teacher, not a real Jedi. Understand that?

Kasdan: I understand what you?re saying, but I can?t believe it; I am in shock.

Lucas: It?s true, absolutely true, not that it makes any difference to the story.

Kasdan: You mean he wouldn?t be any good in a fight?

Lucas: Not with Darth Vader he wouldn?t.

Kasdan: I accept it, but I don?t like it.

Lucas: Well, anyway, Luke?s father gets subverted by the Emperor. He gets a little weird at home and his wife begins to figure out that things are going wrong and she confides in Ben, who is his mentor. On his missions through the galaxies, Anakin has been going off doing his Jedi thing and a lot of Jedi have been getting killed?and it?s because they turn their back on him and he cuts them down. The president is turning into an Emperor and Luke?s mother suspects that something has happened to her husband. She is pregnant. Anakin gets worse and worse, and finally Ben has to fight him and he throws him down into a volcano and Vader is all beat up.

Now, when he falls into the pit, his other arm goes and his leg and there is hardly anything left of him by the time the Emperor?s troops fish him out of the drink. Then when Ben finds out that Vader has been fished out and is in the hands of the Empire, he is worried about it. He goes back to Vader?s wife and explains that Anakin is the bad guy, the one killing all the Jedi.

When he goes back his wife, Mrs. Skywalker has had the kids, the twins, so she has these two little babies who are six months old or so. So everybody has to go into hiding. The Skywalker line is very strong with the Force, so Ben says, ?I think we should protect the kids, because they may be able to help us right the wrong that your husband has created in the universe.? And so Ben takes one and gives him to a couple out there on Tatooine and he gets his little hideout in the hills and he watches him grow. Ben can?t raise Luke himself, because he?s a wanted man. Leia and Luke?s mother go to Alderaan and are taken in by the king there, who is a friend of Ben?s. She dies shortly thereafter and Leia is brought up by her foster parents. She knows that her real mother died.

Kasdan: She does know that?

Lucas: Yes, so we can bring that out when Luke is talking to her; she can say that her mother died when ?I was two years old.?