Where in the PT would they have had time to explore this? There are time restraints. In the immediate aftermath, there was no established rebellion anyways. It would be an easy retcon to make during a Kenobi show, went to exile, but dragged back into the fight.
Oh I don't know... Sometime in the 20 year span between ROTS and ANH
I hope you view Luke as a coward then.
Yoda: All his former pupils die, his order collapses, the Republic collapses, he fails to kill the man responsible, Sith rule the galaxy... goes into exile. Fairly reasonable response give his grand failure. Yoda is far from a coward.
Luke: Couple kids die, nephew turns, galaxy still at relative peace... goes and cries and hides for no reason whatsoever.
Luke has love for his Nephew and his sister and best friend who he failed and lost to the first order.... Yoda had learned to let things go and thus had no attachments.. Who's the coward
You just cant get out of your own way Ducky... Its kind of funny. Both characters had the same thing happen to them.. But you can see the forest through the trees... Its really amazing. Either they are all cowards or they all had legit reasons for what they did in terms of emotions and failure. My point from the beginning is just to point out how we might have felt if we watched the PT first ? Waited 10 years for the OT and find out all the plot holes and character motivations questions that might go unanswered..
Maybe the difference in the way we see things(and I am assuming here) is that I have kids and a Nephew.. I cant imagine losing them and watching them become basically a mass Killer and they may have become that because of a bad choice I made.. I don't know what I would do... But I could see it effecting every part and every relationship in my life.. Maybe that is why I see what Luke did as understandable.
At least Yoda in exile served a purpose, stay alive to train Luke. Luke being a coward serves no purpose whatsoever other than to **** all over the character.
You assume its to stay alive and train Luke.. As I have pointed out repeatedly.. If not for Bens death would Yoda even met Luke?? Hell When he finally di he was six months away from dying.. I say due to the PT changing who Yoda was supposed to be in the OT they made his purpose rather pointless at best or dumb at worst.
PLUS!!! Didn't Yoda say he was going into Exile before he even knew about the kids... COWARD!!
Well, Ben was training Luke in ANH until he sacrificed himself for them to escape. Then Yoda trained him but Luke runs away. They trusted in the living force and it ultimately worked out.
Again no real plan by Ben or Yoda... If not for Leia being in trouble and Yoda just happening upon Luke then Ben may have just gone on the mission without him... he couldn't seem to get Own to train with him for 20 years.. So how would he get him to go on a mission... This again boils down to George not thinking about how to better tie it in with the PT... We can fill in the blanks and I am fine with that... More Head Canon... But that is not my original point. Original Point is George had his own major continuity issues that he created to tell a story he wanted to tell in the PT.
As for trusting the living force.. Well they could have trusted that Luke would find a way to learn the ways of the force while they were out there helping people not to get slaughtered
Nah. Luke struggled to lift a lightsaber. Rey could do mind tricks an fight Kylo all because
she believed 
Where did he learn to do that?? He seemed to be surprised to see Ben for the first time on Hoth.. Maybe he just believed..
You need to watch the Everything Great about TROS video I posted.. It might help you with this.. His vids helped me with the PT.
They had a purpose, to watch over and train Luke.
I wont cover that again... I agree that in the OT Bens purpose was to watch over Luke and maybe train him some day.. IDK...
As I said above, Luke's exile served no purpose. Literally none. Yoda and Ben exile served to train Luke which saved countless lives and restored the galaxy.
I think this has all been answered by ajp.
Okay, I get that you don't like Luke's exile, but could you please stop pretending that a purpose for it wasn't clearly and explicitly presented on screen?
As per TLJ, Luke exiled himself not merely out of grief, and not just to "hide." I admit that's what most (including myself) would've assumed after TFA, but thankfully the story was handed off to someone who didn't want it to be a cowardly act. After Ben turned on Luke, killed his students, and torched his academy, Luke was confronted with the perception that every time this happened (Dooku, Anakin, Ben Solo) was because the Jedi arrogantly believed they could monopolize the Force without consequences.
Luke's exile was in an effort to end the Jedi religion in order to finally break that cycle. He gathered the Jedi texts that had been the foundation of that religion, he cut himself off from the Force, and he knew that his eventual death on that island (along with burning those books) would equal the end of the Jedi. And thereby an end to monopolizing the Force in a way that kept leading to upsetting the balance (peace).
He was wrong in his conclusions, and it was because his grief and guilt took him too far. He eventually snapped out of it. And then he ended his journey by embodying everything he was ever taught about what it means to be a Jedi: become one with the Force, use it for defense and not for attack, and help those who cannot help themselves. If you don't like that, then maybe you should ask yourself what a Jedi should actually be and see if it lines up with what Yoda taught in ESB. Please do that.
It's one thing to say you don't like the exile itself (I don't either), but it's absurd to suggest that there wasn't *an entire ****ing movie* dedicated to explaining its purpose. With Yoda and Kenobi after the PT, you have to draw upon inferences to explain their inaction for years; with Luke in the ST, you *don't* need to do that. It's spelled out!
You can say that Yoda and Ben had a plan... The plan was poor in that they waited as long as they did.. You can say they trusted in the living force I will say that 2 on 2 odds are better then 1 vs 2.
Nothing. He was a teacher in the PT too. But he could fight too. Why don't you like that? You know how stupid it would be if this dude was some grand teacher and couldn't even fight?
Go read what Yoda was and imagined by Lucas and how he was potayed in the OT. And by making him a warrior... Well that opens up the can of worms we been talking about.
Luke and Han were put into a situation that none of us saw coming. Luke and Leia lost Han to the bounty hunter. Leia lost billions of her people, planet blew up. Luke lost a teacher/aunt/uncle to the Empire. Thus sending Luke and Leia in a downward spiral. They were who they were even AFTER TRAGEDY.
In the OT we see these characters bounce back and now they just collapse into utter do nothing failures? Come on. ST goes completely against their characters.
Again I am going to toss this up to you not having kids.. I can only assume that is the case..
Lets not compare anything that happened in the OT to that of losing a child. It was not death but it was basically finding out your kid is Hitler
To screw up and lose your sister's and best friends kid.. Your Nephew over a moment of weakness. Dude.. Come on... The problem could be that as SW fans we are not use to people having real emotions to tragic events.. I mean your right.. Look at how Luke handled the Death of his Aunt and Uncle.. Not a tear.. OR Leia and her home world destruction... Meh Buisness as usual. TLJ was probably the most realistic along with Anakin's responce to his mothers death.
Yoda literally taught every Jedi. How can you say he wasn't a teacher?
I think you are not understanding me or taking me out of context.. He was only a teacher in the OT and concieved and presented that way. An old sage. Extreme knowlegde and power in the force but not a fighter.
As Lucas said.. Yoda would not stand a chance against Vader..... Well Until George decided to tell a different story.. And perhaps put yoda in there as....... Fan Service
Kashyyyk is beautiful. It was in the middle of a war when we see it anyways
Dude that is the fakest looking planet in the entire PT. Its awful. It looks like a pop up book...
That was 1000% fan service to get OT/PT fans to bite and they hooked you right in.
Going all in on Kylo and not shoe horning Palpatine in for some last ditch nostalgic hail mary would have been far better.
Only reason Palps returned was because fans liked him.
You want to talk about original intentions, Lucas original intentions for Palps was for him to stay dead as told to us by the actor of Palps himself.
1000% fan service.
Going all in on Kylo would have left little to know room for redemption.. Maybe if Carrie didn't die it could have been done.
You can call in fan service... Accept that it pissed a lot of fans off
But I think there wasn't much area to go in after Snoke was killed.. Though I would have been fine with Snoke being a clone.. Of course that would have just been more Retcon of TLJ
No having, Chewie, Yoda, Jango, Boba, R2-D2 and C-3po is every bit of fan service as they all end up creating problems with the logic in the OT.
Han is known to be arrogant and stubborn. Him not believing it is not a stretch. Besides, he was still just a kid, I doubt he paid attention half way across the galaxy.
Nobody heard about the Jedi who were fighting the Clone wars all over the galaxy.. Dude.. Grasp at straws much.
Again my point is.. Lucas went against ideas that he originally had. He did things that created issues for the OT. The OT was first it was the foundation. He had some new ideas for the PT.. Things he never thought about or thought of while making the OT. If he did I am sure he would have changed some things. He wanted to tell a certain kind of story and he was not concerned about how it lined up with the OT. That is why I compare his with RJ because RJ wanted to tell his own story... We both agree its a worse story and he did it smack dab in the middle of a trilogy
But George did the same and that's fine.. My mind can work around it. But George has been Retconing from the very beginning.
As Ze said
I think one of the places Filoni and I part ways, is that I don't think it's possible to look at Star Wars too closely as this cohesive, integrated, well-planned thing with an arc. To me it's an astonishing piece of improv with all the ups and downs that entails.
For a 10-year old kid it's all more than enough. For an adult it shouldn't be examined too closely because you see where the stitches are barely holding it together.
Where we agree is that kids should have hopeful stories.
