The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[ZE_501]

Spot-on, a-dev. It always circles back to this for me: fan theories and speculation is part of Star Wars and it's good fun, but it requires a real-world suspension of disbelief.

There was no plan, there is no continuity. George was winging it.

JAWS is bang-on correct in these posts.

TLJ Luke is a problem for me. But it's a problem that originated in TFA which in turn copied what became one of the most questionable aspects of the OT - the issue regarding Obi-wan and Yoda sitting on their arses - which in turn really became a problem only after the PT was made and we saw how badass they both could be.

When Yoda is picked up by Bail Organa in that speeder in ROTS and he says ''into exile I must go'' it was jarring as **** to me in light of everything I'd just seen. If I was a character in the movie and I'd witnessed that battle (hypothetical - I know Bail did not witness the fight) I'd be saying to Yoda ''Errrr....you must go into exile after that one evenly matched fight beeecaussse...reasons? You're clearly the best hope for defeating the Emperor'' And if I later found out that Obi-wan had defeated Anakin I'd be even more encouraged. Why the **** have you both decided to cut and run?

Anyone who has a problem with Luke in the ST should equally have a problem with Obi-wan and Yoda of the PT deciding to take themselves out of the fight.

You can't say it was so they could train Luke because they weren't even training him. They waited till Obi-wan became elderly and till Yoda became even more elderly. They waited till Luke was 20 - which was too late by PT rules - and only certain happenstance events even seemed to bring Luke to Obi-wan in any case. I don't get the impression from ANH that Luke was in regular contact with the guy he knew as Old Ben. Meanwhile the situation had gotten much worse because the Emperor had strengthened his armies, fleets and hold over the galaxy and developed the Death Star. We're supposed to believe they thought Luke was going to fare better against all of that than they could have against the early Empire? As far as they knew at the time Vader was out of the picture and there wasn't yet any planet-destroying superweapon. Seems to me they had much better odds than Luke.

And remember they were expecting Luke to kill Vader and the Emperor - if they weren't confident that they could do it - 2 jedi masters/accomplished war generals - what possible hope did they think a single farmboy-turned jedi trainee had?

And there's no indication in the OT that they were anticipating what actually happened - Luke turning Vader back to the light and Anakin killing the Emperor. Obi-wan is dismissive when Luke says there is good left in Vader and he practically blackmails him when Luke says he can't kill his father - ''then the Emperor has already won''.

Either both PT and ST are at fault or neither of them are and you just roll with it. I choose to ditch both myself. The OT standing on its own has less problems. There are still questions - but I'll take the questions over the movies that not only failed to answer those questions in a satisfying way but compounded the problems and made them glaringly worse.

 

[a-dev]

That's all very good ajp. A shame so much of it wasn't actually IN the PT movies - other than the bit about Palpatine turning public opinion against the Jedi. The rest was left offscreen for pure speculation and that is the major failing of those movies for me. The Lars family stuff and the Organas were hugely important, least they should have been. When old Ben was talking about it it sounded like it had some pretty rich dramatic potential, moreso than making us watch Anakin/Padme/R2 and Threepio navigate through a CG droid factory environment dodging mechanical arms and falling off things into other things.

 

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[The Buffinator]

I've spent the better part of 20 years hating how the PT recontextualized the OT as much as anyone. BUT . . . since we got what we got, it's not that hard to make sense of how things turned out with Obi-Wan and Yoda. And I wasn't aware that the Empire was rounding up Force-sensitive kids, or that such an effort was public knowledge. If that's the case, it does complicate matters. I thought Imperial stormtrooper recruiting was more similar to what we saw in Solo. But anyway . . .

All Jedi were considered public enemies because the Chancellor-turned-Emperor declared that they attacked him and were corruptly trying to take power for themselves. So, how would Yoda and Obi-Wan go around collecting kids from their families? Why would families be willing to give up their children to the declared enemy? In the past, the Jedi were hailed and glorified, so it'd be considered an honor. But after ROTS? Not the case at all. These families would be putting targets on their kids' backs. So, were Obi-Wan and Yoda supposed to steal them away? That would be a problem.

That's right, he did declare that, didn't he? I was so nauseated at the end of ROTS that it must have affected my hearing. That would make things a bit more problematic, but I would imagine there were plenty of people out there who would be skeptical of Palpatine's Jedi story, especially among those groups that the Jedi helped save or free during the course of the war. Also, by the time of ANH a rebellion was in full swing and that didn't happen over night. If the Rebel leadership knew of Yoda & Obi-Wan earlier, I think they'd have helped in the effort to recruit new potentials.

We can make this work if we want to.

But do we REALLY want it to?

 

[Khev]

Epic discussion JAWS, a-dev, Buffinator, and ajp. I've had a blast reading it all.

That's all very good ajp. A shame so much of it wasn't actually IN the PT movies

I think the biggest justification for the exiles of Yoda and Ben that was actually mentioned on screen was the little bit at the end of ROTS where Yoda told Obi-Wan that his primary purpose on Tatooine actually *wasn't* to watch Luke but to learn how to commune with the spirit of Qui Gon. That gives me enough head canon wiggle room to allow that through their training under Qui Gon they both determined that before they engaged the Emperor and Vader they needed a backup plan which was life after death.

Otherwise with them literally being the only two living Jedi in the entire galaxy there was just too much of a risk that either or both would fail and then hope would be lost forever. But if they could become ghosts then they *could* theoretically train any number of new kids or according to the ST maybe become so powerful that they can attack the physical world even as ghosts. As we've discussed before several drafts of ROTJ even had Yoda and/or Ben joining Luke's fight against Vader and the Emperor in the throne room.

So I see it as:

Plan A: Destroy Vader and the Emperor right at the very infancy of the Empire.

Plan B: (Possibly after Qui Gon tells Yoda point blank to wait) Yoda tells Obi-Wan "okay we lost the element of surprise, the risk of attacking Palps again when he can set up his own safeguards is too great. We must learn how to fight on even if he does succeed in killing us."

Plan C: It ends up taking Ben and Yoda decades to finally learn how to live on after death and by that point Luke and Leia are grown which makes them realize that Anakin's grown children can actually help convert him rather than destroy him. "That boy is our last hope" then must be taken to mean last hope to redeem Anakin, not destroy him. "I can't kill my own father," "then the Emperor has already won" can be taken to mean that Ben realized that Luke must at least be *willing* to kill his father if he couldn't convert him and not that Luke's primary directive was to do so.

Ben would then have theoretically seen Luke's refusal to kill his father under any circumstances as an attachment that the Emperor was guaranteed to exploit and therefore "already winning" the battle of Luke being able to let go.

That's my take anyway and I like that it has Ben and Yoda each taking decades to study a new method of winning that neither Vader nor the Emperor could ever anticipate or counter instead of them just being cowards hiding in caves somewhere. I also like that Palps is such a schemer himself that he had his own studies that were being conducted on Exegol all that time to give him his own contingency after death.

 

[Khev]

Tanya Roberts was my first true Movie Crush!!! Man oh man that bathing scene

I know right! I think I had a crush on her in both Beastmaster and A View to a Kill without actually realizing she was the same person.

 

[Khev]

And again I just can not stress how thankful I am for TROS. It really brought me back to the SW saga. This is the most time I have ever spent in a SW thread. I am thinking about SW all the time. I now enjoy the PT and TFA. I am back into TCW and now enjoying Rebels. I am listening to the Soundtracks.. Watching SW you tube videos, playing video games, buying books and statues. I am just a kid again with all this. I freaking love it.

I am happy that I enjoy everything as a whole... I can see the warts but forgive them and enjoy what is good. I really feel sorry (and I don't mean this in a condescending way) for those that can not find any enjoyment in the ST. To be able to let go of the hate and try to find some enjoyment. I know what that feels like and I know the impact it had on me for the series as a whole. I am so happy that I no longer feel that way. I am so happy that I found my way back to the PT even though I find AOTC and ROTS to be very problematic I still enjoyed them the most I ever have since the first time I saw them.

All of this is due to my enjoyment of TROS. Its really like a weight has been lifted off me.

Man I couldn't have said it better. Thanks to TROS I'm just at peace with the whole damn Saga, PT all the way through the ST. Sure the purest SW experience is to just watch the theatrical OT (or hell maybe just 4K77 itself) but I just find so much enjoyment out of all the stuff that came after, warts and all like you said, whether it be the PT, ST, TCS, Mando, you name it. The OT will always be this awesome self-contained story but thankfully the goofy elements, continuity issues, and emasculation of former badasses that we saw in ROTJ opened the door to accepting that SW doesn't have to be perfect (or even particularly good, lol) to be fun and enjoyable.

I too have been consuming so much "content" () in so many forms since TROS and just when I binge the OT, PT, whole Skywalker Saga, whatever, and think "okay I'll take a break now" like two days go buy and then I find myself starting another binge all over again, lol. So many different flavors of SW to enjoy with more* on the way, it's awesome.

*more as in more Mando, that High Republic business on Cato Nemoidia doesn't count.

 

[jye4ever]

I know right! I think I had a crush on her in both Beastmaster and A View to a Kill without actually realizing she was the same person.

Before Bond!

Before even Beastmaster!

There was Tourist Trap!

Man I couldn't have said it better. Thanks to TROS I'm just at peace with the whole damn Saga, PT all the way through the ST. Sure the purest SW experience is to just watch the theatrical OT (or hell maybe just 4K77 itself) but I just find so much enjoyment out of all the stuff that came after, warts and all like you said, whether it be the PT, ST, TCS, Mando, you name it. The OT will always be this awesome self-contained story but thankfully the goofy elements, continuity issues, and emasculation of former badasses that we saw in ROTJ opened the door to accepting that SW doesn't have to be perfect (or even particularly good, lol) to be fun and enjoyable.

I too have been consuming so much "content" () in so many forms since TROS and just when I binge the OT, PT, whole Skywalker Saga, whatever, and think "okay I'll take a break now" like two days go buy and then I find myself starting another binge all over again, lol. So many different flavors of SW to enjoy with more* on the way, it's awesome.

*more as in more Mando, that High Republic business on Cato Nemoidia doesn't count.

This is why I own AOTC but not Terminator 3 forward, Die Hard 2 forward, Predator 2 forward, Conan 2 forward or Alien 3 forward.

2 words:

Star Wars


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[JAWS]

All Jedi were considered public enemies because the Chancellor-turned-Emperor declared that they attacked him and were corruptly trying to take power for themselves. So, how would Yoda and Obi-Wan go around collecting kids from their families? Why would families be willing to give up their children to the declared enemy? In the past, the Jedi were hailed and glorified, so it'd be considered an honor. But after ROTS? Not the case at all. These families would be putting targets on their kids' backs. So, were Obi-Wan and Yoda supposed to steal them away? That would be a problem.

I would agree with this.. Far too dangerous to try and start up another "Jedi school" with so much distrust, putting yourself out there would have been a death sentence. But joining up with Like minded rebels who were always in hiding anyways should not have been a problem for yoda and Ben.

Luke and Leia were the only hope because Yoda had managed to hide their lineage and potential power (offspring of the mighty Skywalker bloodline). Palpatine and Vader didn't know about their existence after the PT canon revision. We can come up with lots of reasons why they weren't trained sooner and still make it fit with the OT.

Accept we are back to Ben and Yoda just hiding while others fight and die and again left with Why is Luke more qualified then two master Jedi...

Luke's training could've been forbidden by Owen. If he was being asked to raise a child not his own, he should get to say no to allowing that child to end up like his father. He'd consider Kenobi a part of the problem, and someone obsessed with war. And Obi-Wan would have to respect Owen's wishes with Luke. The Lars family would have every right not to want the eyes of the Empire fixed on their farm. Look what happened to that family when Kenobi's role as a general brought the Empire to their door.

So again.. Not a thought out plan by Yoda or Ben. If Owen would not allow Luke to be trained then its time for plan B which should not be to sit around and hope that something comes up to get Luke to join you. Plan should have been for Ben to raise Luke. Plain and simple.

Maybe Leia was initially being groomed to rise in the senate and lead an overthrow of Palpatine that way (government led vs. military uprising). Who knows? That seems plausible to me. The people of Alderaan were peaceful, and perhaps Leia was seen as someone whose Force-guided intuition would change the tide peacefully. Or maybe Leia's adopted mom refused to let Bail turn her daughter over to the Jedi out of fear for her safety in their company (since they were targeted as public enemies). It could be as simple as a husband trying to do right by his wife.

That could be.. But that still could have been the plan as Be and Yoda do something besides Hide.

Yes hide for a few years but you gotta have a better plan once you see others start fighting back.

And it just really seemed like Ben had no plan to ever train Luke.

We can make this work if we want to.

For the record I have no problem with making any of this work.. I am just pushing back the same way others have pushed back on Luke hiding in TFA or the return of Palps with the idea of the ST ruining characters or not having a plan.

Epic discussion JAWS, a-dev, Buffinator, and ajp. I've had a blast reading it all.

I think the biggest justification for the exiles of Yoda and Ben that was actually mentioned on screen was the little bit at the end of ROTS where Yoda told Obi-Wan that his primary purpose on Tatooine actually *wasn't* to watch Luke but to learn how to commune with the spirit of Qui Gon. That gives me enough head canon wiggle room to allow that through their training under Qui Gon they both determined that before they engaged the Emperor and Vader they needed a backup plan which was life after death.

Problem is.. Its apparently not a hard power to master.. Vader did it without talking to anyone Seems Ben Solo did the same. Nobody showed Rey though.. She laid there dead for some time

Otherwise with them literally being the only two living Jedi in the entire galaxy there was just too much of a risk that either or both would fail and then hope would be lost forever. But if they could become ghosts then they *could* theoretically train any number of new kids or according to the ST maybe become so powerful that they can attack the physical world even as ghosts. As we've discussed before several drafts of ROTJ even had Yoda and/or Ben joining Luke's fight against Vader and the Emperor in the throne room.

And after learning how to do.. Its now time to get out there and fight. ​

So I see it as:

Plan A: Destroy Vader and the Emperor right at the very infancy of the Empire.

Plan B: (Possibly after Qui Gon tells Yoda point blank to wait) Yoda tells Obi-Wan "okay we lost the element of surprise, the risk of attacking Palps again when he can set up his own safeguards is too great. We must learn how to fight on even if he does succeed in killing us."

Plan C: It ends up taking Ben and Yoda decades to finally learn how to live on after death and by that point Luke and Leia are grown which makes them realize that Anakin's grown children can actually help convert him rather than destroy him. "That boy is our last hope" then must be taken to mean last hope to redeem Anakin, not destroy him. "I can't kill my own father," "then the Emperor has already won" can be taken to mean that Ben realized that Luke must at least be *willing* to kill his father if he couldn't convert him and not that Luke's primary directive was to do so.

Ben would then have theoretically seen Luke's refusal to kill his father under any circumstances as an attachment that the Emperor was guaranteed to exploit and therefore "already winning" the battle of Luke being able to let go.

That's my take anyway and I like that it has Ben and Yoda each taking decades to study a new method of winning that neither Vader nor the Emperor could ever anticipate or counter instead of them just being cowards hiding in caves somewhere. I also like that Palps is such a schemer himself that he had his own studies that were being conducted on Exegol all that time to give him his own contingency after death.

Yeah those are some good mental gymnastics there Khev.. We all have to do that with SW

I still say if it takes them Decades to learn about life after the death... Well then I guess that makes Yoda and Ben the dumbest Jedi ever because as I said, others without any training were able to do it.. Maybe that is why they went into hiding. They were too dumb to do anything else

I am cool with any explanation and really I don't think too hard about it.. It just occurred to me that Ben and Yoda just hid after failing.. Kinda like Luke.

Man I couldn't have said it better. Thanks to TROS I'm just at peace with the whole damn Saga, PT all the way through the ST. Sure the purest SW experience is to just watch the theatrical OT (or hell maybe just 4K77 itself) but I just find so much enjoyment out of all the stuff that came after, warts and all like you said, whether it be the PT, ST, TCS, Mando, you name it. The OT will always be this awesome self-contained story but thankfully the goofy elements, continuity issues, and emasculation of former badasses that we saw in ROTJ opened the door to accepting that SW doesn't have to be perfect (or even particularly good, lol) to be fun and enjoyable.

I too have been consuming so much "content" () in so many forms since TROS and just when I binge the OT, PT, whole Skywalker Saga, whatever, and think "okay I'll take a break now" like two days go buy and then I find myself starting another binge all over again, lol. So many different flavors of SW to enjoy with more* on the way, it's awesome.

*more as in more Mando, that High Republic business on Cato Nemoidia doesn't count.

Yep.. So much SW stuff and I am pretty much enjoying it all.

 

[JAWS]

Before Bond!

Before even Beastmaster!

There was Tourist Trap!

Man oh man... I remember seeing Sheena also... Wow.. But before Sheena she appeared in Playboy and I was a very very happy 13 year old

 

[The Buffinator]

Tanya Roberts was my first true Movie Crush!!! Man oh man that bathing scene

I know right! I think I had a crush on her in both Beastmaster and A View to a Kill without actually realizing she was the same person.

Wow, Tanya Roberts? Talk about B-List sex symbols. I'm definitely showing my age, but my first were discovered via WGN Chicago's late night movies @1970 or so. The most memorable were Ann-Margaret wearing just a slip and writhing around on a bed in The Cincinnati Kid, Raquel Welch in a string bikini in Fathom, and that wholesome young lady washing her car in Cool Hand Luke.

Man I couldn't have said it better. Thanks to TROS I'm just at peace with the whole damn Saga, PT all the way through the ST. Sure the purest SW experience is to just watch the theatrical OT (or hell maybe just 4K77 itself) but I just find so much enjoyment out of all the stuff that came after, warts and all like you said, whether it be the PT, ST, TCS, Mando, you name it. The OT will always be this awesome self-contained story but thankfully the goofy elements, continuity issues, and emasculation of former badasses that we saw in ROTJ opened the door to accepting that SW doesn't have to be perfect (or even particularly good, lol) to be fun and enjoyable.

I too have been consuming so much "content" () in so many forms since TROS and just when I binge the OT, PT, whole Skywalker Saga, whatever, and think "okay I'll take a break now" like two days go buy and then I find myself starting another binge all over again, lol. So many different flavors of SW to enjoy with more* on the way, it's awesome.

*more as in more Mando, that High Republic business on Cato Nemoidia doesn't count.

Agreed - TROS and TCW have rekindled my enthusiasm for all things Star Wars. Now that I've finished TCW I'm planning on watching Rebels as well. Is it worth watching in its entirety, or are there key episodes I should watch in preparation for Mando season 2?

 

[punisher1974]

I enjoyed Rebels all the way through. There are a few filler episodes but at 4 seasons it is really good. My favorite season is 2 but I enjoy the series. All the characters are great to me. Chopper and Zeb are my favorites.

 

[Khev]

Before Bond!

Before even Beastmaster!

There was Tourist Trap!

Ooh now a brunette, lol. Never heard of Tourist Trap. If it's on Prime I know what I'm watching tonight, lol. Also in all these years I never knew Beastmaster had a director's cut. Last night I was all "he was birthed from a cow?!? How the hell did I never remember that??" And now I know why.

Problem is.. Its apparently not a hard power to master.. Vader did it without talking to anyone Seems Ben Solo did the same.

While it wasn't spelled out on film the Annotated Screenplays said that Anakin didn't know the skill but that Ben and Yoda's spirits were able to save his spirit from being lost in the netherworld. I'm fine with that explanation and with that I can also assume that either Leia and Luke saved Ben Solo or that he had simply learned the skill himself while still a pupil of Luke's.

Nobody showed Rey though..

Exactly!

She laid there dead for some time

Man that would have been freaking harsh if after Ben and Yoda saved the spirit of DARTH VADER they just let Rey die and face oblivion, lol.

Yeah those are some good mental gymnastics there Khev.. We all have to do that with SW

Yep, ever since ROTJ, lol. I do find it annoying that Ben gave his dumb "from a certain point of view" speech rather than just coming clean and saying "true, I wasn't entirely honest with you. I hope you can forgive me as Yoda and I simply didn't feel that you were ready for the burden that was the truth." Then Luke could have still been annoyed but come to terms easier with the fact that they still had his best interests at heart.

And because of that I actually like Luke as a ghost more than ROTJ Ben. He at least owned up to his failures and used them as a teaching tool for Rey without any mind games.

 

[ajp4mgs]

I would agree with this.. Far too dangerous to try and start up another "Jedi school" with so much distrust, putting yourself out there would have been a death sentence. But joining up with Like minded rebels who were always in hiding anyways should not have been a problem for yoda and Ben.

Think about that, though. Any rebellion they join is in even greater danger because the Jedi are being hunted as criminals. Imperials and informants are all on the lookout for them as traitors and conspirators. The Emperor is fully in charge after ROTS. The entire landscape has changed after the final scene of that movie.

Leia, Captain Antilles, and the Rebel crew on the Tantive IV had been able to work with relative diplomatic immunity before ANH, but if Yoda or Obi-Wan was onboard they'd be harboring a fugitive of justice. They would've been targeted long before having the plans to the Death Star. It can argued that those two Jedi could endanger any rebel mission just by being a part of it.

Accept we are back to Ben and Yoda just hiding while others fight and die and again left with Why is Luke more qualified then two master Jedi...

It's not about Luke being more qualified, it's about not having any other choice since the Jedi were being hunted as enemies of the Empire. It's not like Yoda could just waltz into Palpatine's office to duel him again. He was able to do it in ROTS because the circumstances were different; that was before the Jedi were publicly declared as enemies of the state, and before the Emperor took full control.

Yoda and Kenobi were essentially fugitives of justice according to the highest lawful authority. Hiding wasn't a choice, it was a necessity. Luke and Leia were the fallback plan. It's not like Yoda knew they were going to be the absolute answer and no doubt about it. But it was the only hope in the absence of not being able to recruit any more younglings. Luke and/or Leia were the last ones they could train without the Emperor or Vader knowing.

So again.. Not a thought out plan by Yoda or Ben. If Owen would not allow Luke to be trained then its time for plan B which should not be to sit around and hope that something comes up to get Luke to join you. Plan should have been for Ben to raise Luke. Plain and simple.

I don't get it. I'm assuming that they left Luke with Owen and Beru to be raised out of danger while the Jedi were still being hunted. Kenobi wasn't an option; if Jedi hunters track down Kenobi, they'll find baby/kid Luke. Maybe that was just too risky of a chance to take. Even in the animated shows, Maul finds Kenobi. Others could have too. But no one is going to be thinking anything suspicious about some kid raised on a farm by two regular (non-Jedi) people.

If Owen refused to allow Luke to be trained once he safely reached a certain age, what was Kenobi supposed to do? Steal him away from the the two guardians who were doing all the work to raise him and care for him?

That could be.. But that still could have been the plan as Be and Yoda do something besides Hide.

Yes hide for a few years but you gotta have a better plan once you see others start fighting back.

And it just really seemed like Ben had no plan to ever train Luke.

Can you be specific as to what you wanted Yoda to do? No Jedi was going to be able to do anything alone. There needed to be a Rebellion first, and they needed to wait for Luke to be trained in order to be part of that Rebellion.

Maybe Yoda couldn't be part of it. Yoda on any Rebel/Alliance mission might instantly put every good guy in that much more danger. His skill was as a Jedi and teacher of the Force. He wasn't going to do anything by himself with a lightsaber and no Rebellion to back him up. So it was a catch-22. The only thing to do was bank on "A New Hope."

For the record I have no problem with making any of this work.. I am just pushing back the same way others have pushed back on Luke hiding in TFA or the return of Palps with the idea of the ST ruining characters or not having a plan.

The pushback is the fun part. Theories and explanations aren't worth **** if you can't back them up. That's why I'm still laughing at "Qui-Gon the savior" theories being so popular right now. In the first scene of TPM, when the two Jedi are about to be ambushed, Obi-Wan says "I have a bad feeling about this." Qui-Gon responds with, "I don't sense anything."

This is supposed to be the dude who was observant enough to mentor Anakin properly? Yeah, okay.

Keep pushing back whenever you want; I dig the challenge.

 

[Khev]

In the first scene of TPM, when the two Jedi are about to be ambushed, Obi-Wan says "I have a bad feeling about this." Qui-Gon responds with, "I don't sense anything."

This is supposed to be the dude who was observant enough to mentor Anakin properly? Yeah, okay.

Yoda's training: "For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is."

Qui Gon's training: "Greed is a powerful ally."

Yep just what Anakin needed, lol.

He was probably gonna show Anakin how the true purpose of saving someone's life is so that you can keep them as a lifelong slave too, lol.

 

[ajp4mgs]

Yoda's training: "For my ally is the Force, and a powerful ally it is."

Qui Gon's training: "Greed is a powerful ally."

Yep just what Anakin needed, lol.

He was probably gonna show Anakin how the true purpose of saving someone's life is so that you can keep them as a lifelong slave too, lol.

Nice!

 

[jye4ever]

Thankfully Qui-Gon never sunk so low and resorted to taking children from their homes or leaving them alone on a battlefield.


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[Khev]

Holy crap.

"Guess what Anakin you're free! (to leave your mother forever at my say so)"

 

[ZE_501]

That's why I'm still laughing at "Qui-Gon the savior" theories being so popular right now. In the first scene of TPM, when the two Jedi are about to be ambushed, Obi-Wan says "I have a bad feeling about this." Qui-Gon responds with, "I don't sense anything."

This is supposed to be the dude who was observant enough to mentor Anakin properly? Yeah, okay.

Keep pushing back whenever you want; I dig the challenge.

Finally watching the Disney Gallery thing now. LOL...Filoni's full of crap. Qui-Gon "hasn't given up on the fact that Jedi are actually supposed to care -"

Anakin: "Have you come to free the slaves-"
Qui-Gon: "NO!"



I lose more respect for Filoni every time he opens his mouth.

 

[Khev]

Finally watching the Disney Gallery thing now. LOL...Filoni's full of crap. Qui-Gon "hasn't given up on the fact that Jedi are actually supposed to care -"

Anakin: "Have you come to free the slaves-"
Qui-Gon: "NO!"

"We didn't come here to free slaves."

"I think you have."

"You're literally sitting right next to my personal slave."

"Oh."