The Mandalorian (Star Wars Live Action Series)

[a-dev]

I'm to the ST like Grace is with WB lol





You just wait until Khev wakes up he is going to be very grumpy when he sees what you have been up to lol

You know Lucas is to blame for making the crappy PT instead of the crappy ST I know you know that.

I concur.

Haha I am beginning to feel for you Jye. At the moment you are like the desperate resistance rebels on Crait sending out an SOS and so far no-one has turned up to back you up. I'm sure Khev and AJP will be right along shortly like the one two punch of Tarkin on the Deathstar and Vader in his Star Destroyer jumping into the battle of Scarif to ruin the rebel victory lap.

Until then I'm afraid that you will have to put up with A-dev going full T1 police station assault on your certain points of view.

Sublime referencing

Khev arrival

Perfect

I'm going to have more keyboard problems later. That will prevent me from having a counter-argu- it will prevent me from replying.

 

[ironwez20]

I'm to the ST like Grace is with WB lol





You just wait until Khev wakes up he is going to be very grumpy when he sees what you have been up to lol

You know Lucas is to blame for making the crappy PT instead of the crappy ST I know you know that.

Why are u hoping for khev to show up? He has no arguments either and gets shut down just as hard as you do lol

 

[xipotec]

So Vader is allowed to go from good to bad back to good.

But Luke is not.

I have no ***** to give because Vader ended good he should have remained evil until his death just like the emperor. Wut!

YET YET SWT guy worships ghost hero HC Anakin.

Hypocrite much.

If Luke has to remain a perfect hero 24/7 then Vader should remain a perfect villain 24/7. But wait what is the emperor for...oh. What is Yoda for..oh.

So SW should just be:

Luke a hero 24/7
Yoda a hero 24/7
ObiWan a hero 24/7
Leia a hero 24/7
Han a hero 24/7
Chewie a hero 24/7
Padme a hero 24/7
Rey a hero 24/7
Finn a hero 24/7
Poe a hero 24/7
Sio Bibble a hero 24/7
Zzz Zzz

Like god forbid they take one....ONE of the primary characters and try to give him some actual nuance and mix things up a bit in that large group of similar dynamics.

Lando goes from good to bad back to good and it worked fine for his character.

Luke was subjected to a ton of stress and it opened his eyes to what the core problems were and like a real person he questioned his own principles and foundation but eventually dealt with the conflict with the help from master Yoda.

I mean why even have the Yoda character there to interact and instruct Luke if Luke is just going to be PERFECT 24/7!

SWT guy wants to see Luke cut down some droids every single time he is on screen for the next 75 years how exciting.

THIS

But Jye you have to understand that many people in the world WANT a black and white existence.

They want to know who the bad guy is and who the hero is and for it to remain the same .

They do not want real human drama. Just simple easy to digest , team versus team world.

They do it in every part of their lives from politics to sports to clothing.

Is should be no surprise that SW fans want it this way as well.


I have said in the past and it remains my core belief that the worst part of the ST was the compete expectation for people to accept where the OT characters were in life without showing it extensively. It WS just way to hard for many to accept what happened to Luke, Leia and Han in a few lines of dialogue and some shadowy 3 second flash back.

They could have gone in many other directions after TFA, which I really love as a film, but they didn?t. TLJ suffers from losing the momentum TFA was building for the new characters, and just basically drops them, to focus on a new story that was too radically different from what was built up with way too little explanation.

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[a-dev]

Why are u hoping for khev to show up? He has no arguments either and gets shut down just as hard as you do lol

''That man has done more for Star Wars debate than you'll ever know. My single greatest regret is that his arguments must die for ours to live''

or something.

 

[JAWS]

People wanted a perfect happily ever after ending for the OT hero's

Simple as that.

I get it.

I dont agree with people saying that Luke was poorly written / acted / or directed as he was extremely interesting and easily the best part of that film.

But If its not what you wanted to see out of that character and you wanted him to be a perfect jedi master then there is not a lot that can be said.

My issue with that is then why have any other characters? If Luke is the end all be all of Jedi masters then there would be no need for anyone else.. He would just go on being the hero in TLJ and TROS.

I also get that some would have loved that also.

IDK... I go back to that fact that I never wanted to see my OT hero's in their twilight years preforming action stunts, flying in space, or fighting in lightsaber duels in the first place.

Personally I think all would have been forgive by those that hated how luke was handled if he showed up on Crate in actual person and had a huge action moment.. They were waiting for that and never got it.. So they fall back on that he was bitter, imperfect, and some have called him a coward for not showing up in person.

Oh well.

 

[JAWS]

See there you go again. Didn?t even mention the PT. See it?s always on your mind. You seem really mad at it . Like you think about it 24/7.

Hey Ironwez.. To be fair he just pulled what you did to me in the other thread..

Maybe he just cant handle someone complaining about something in the ST when the PT does it just as bad or in our opinions worse.

Let me remind you

But I won?t tolerate the bashing while propping up the ST which you do. So of course I?m coming for ya. You think you can say whatever and not get challenged on it? Come on .

So anybody who likes the ST more then the PT is not allowed to do this?? Hmmmmmmm.

 

[JAWS]

I have said in the past and it remains my core belief that the worst part of the ST was the compete expectation for people to accept where the OT characters were in life without showing it extensively. It WS just way to hard for many to accept what happened to Luke, Leia and Han in a few lines of dialogue and some shadowy 3 second flash back.

This is it in a nutshell.. We never got to see that story build. It was jarring for sure.

 

[JAWS]

That Leia scene was shoe-horned into TROS to try and explain away her ability to fly like Mary Poppins in TLJ and because they needed a living jedi to 'train' Rey. It worked just like a tiny band aid applied to ponda baba's arm stump.
.

I always figured that Leia was trained by Luke before any stupid Mary Poppins scene. I mean.. That was the natural progression of the story after ROTJ.

 

[jye4ever]

People wanted a perfect happily ever after ending for the ST hero's

Simple as that.

I get it.

I dont agree with people saying that Luke was poorly written / acted / or directed as he was extremely interesting and easily the best part of that film.

But If its not what you wanted to see out of that character and you wanted him to be a perfect jedi master then there is not a lot that can be said.

My issue with that is then why have any other characters? If Luke is the end all be all of Jedi masters then there would be no need for anyone else.. He would just go on being the hero in TLJ and TROS.

I also get that some would have loved that also.

IDK... I go back to that fact that I never wanted to see my OT hero's in their twilight years preforming action stunts, flying in space, or fighting in lightsaber duels in the first place.

Personally I think all would have been forgive by those that hated how luke was handled if he showed up on Crate in actual person and had a huge action moment.. They were waiting for that and never got it.. So they fall back on that he was bitter, imperfect, and some have called him a coward for not showing up in person.

Oh well.

So check this out.

Lucas drops the ball and doesn't make his ST when the actors were still in their prime.

Yet SWT guy and now Bravo lol are upset they didn't get COPD big belly Hamill Luke in TLJ doing exactly what he did in Mando which was his RO Vader moment.

 

[jye4ever]

That Leia scene was shoe-horned into TROS to try and explain away her ability to fly like Mary Poppins in TLJ and because they needed a living jedi to 'train' Rey. It worked just like a tiny band aid applied to ponda baba's arm stump.

Luke was barely in the ST at all. He only featured in TLJ and then one scene (with no lines) in TFA and then in the TROS for one scene as a ghost and another throw away 'you go gal' to Rey when she because MegaZord Jedi.

Also Theory dude would have preferred an acceptable version of Luke in the ST over Mando any day of the week and so would I.

Bravo just think about what you just said that makes absolutely no sense my friend.

How can you and the SWT guy expect Lucasfilm to give you Luke doing what he did in a Mando in the ST when it's old man Luke with COPD big belly Hamill the reason they could pull that off in Mando was because they had to use a stunt man and CGI young Luke face because it fit in with the OT timeline.

So you would have preferred a cgi stuntman Luke for the entire ST instead of real Hamill.

 

[jye4ever]

Lucasfilm just announced that they feel bad for the SWT guy and PH was fired and they promised that effective immediately every single appearance by Luke Skywalker from now on will only be of him having his RO Vader moment swinging his lightsaber in a heroic manner non stop even during dialogue heavy scenes.

They will also cgi a permanent smile with a twinkling tooth on Luke cgi face.

Luke will no longer require mentoring from Yoda since his moral compass will forever be perfect just like real people who were historically labeled as heroes they were always perfect in their lives.

Just shut up and swing your lightsaber that is what character building is all about.

 

[Bravomite]

Bravo just think about what you just said that makes absolutely no sense my friend.

How can you and the SWT guy expect Lucasfilm to give you Luke doing what he did in a Mando in the ST when it's old man Luke with COPD big belly Hamill the reason they could pull that off in Mando was because they had to use a stunt man and CGI young Luke face because it fit in with the OT timeline.

So you would have preferred a cgi stuntman Luke for the entire ST instead of real Hamill.

hahah

I don't want Hamill throwing down with PT level lightsabre duels or pulling star destroyers out of the sky, but equally I don't want to see Luke (for the first time on screen since RotJ) doing any of the following:

• sneaking up on his nephew (a minor) in his sleep, reading his mind (an invasion of privacy and potentially a rape analogy) and then lighting up his blade (analogy continued) whilst considering (with his intense angry crying face) whether or not he should murder him.
• lying to Rey because he is ashamed of his behaviour.
• being bested by Rey (an untrained, in the ways of the force and sword play, ignoramus) in the first duel we see him in.
• acting like crazy ESB yoda (when he is trying to throw Luke off) for a prolonged period of time e.g. suckling on space cow walrus (it?s not like Rey for one moment is confused whether this is Luke the jedi master).
• tossing his lightsabre over this shoulder and then mincing off.
• trying to burn scared jedi texts, then getting cold feet and then whinging like ANH Luke when ghost yoda turns up and burns them.

I don?t want to find out that despite Luke?s sacrifice in the OT and his hero?s journey that there is no real semblance of a happily ever after for him at all (even briefly prior to the ST beginning). I?m used to Star Wars Legends where he had a wife and kid and in this version he has neither. Nor does he seem to be close to Leia and Han anymore. He is a failure, not just as a teacher, not just as an uncle but also as the guardian for the new republic. When faced with this failure he runs off and hides for an indeterminate amount of time hoping to die alone (leaving behind a not map so someone can find him and ? watch him slowly die from old age).

He seems so depressed and full of rage and his wounded pride is so prevalent in TLJ that he may as well be consumed by the dark side except for his turned off force abilities.

Sorry Jye but that's not how I wanted to see Luke but don't worry I totally understand that you expect Luke to be sipping green titty milk in every scene from now on and whenever the going get's tough hiding in the most unfindable place until he is found whereupon he will redeem himself by committing jedi suicide alone on a rock.

 

[Khev]

Haha I am beginning to feel for you Jye. At the moment you are like the desperate resistance rebels on Crait sending out an SOS and so far no-one has turned up to back you up. I'm sure Khev and AJP will be right along shortly like the one two punch of Tarkin on the Deathstar and Vader in his Star Destroyer jumping into the battle of Scarif to ruin the rebel victory lap.

Until then I'm afraid that you will have to put up with A-dev going full T1 police station assault on your certain points of view.

Khev arrival

Perfect

I'm going to have more keyboard problems later. That will prevent me from having a counter-argu- it will prevent me from replying.

Ah, I love this place.

Okay I've had my coffee now it's time to join the party.

 

[jye4ever]

Bravo did you not understand the problem with the dogmatic Jedi order plot that Lucas wrote for the PT and RJ continued with.

Ahsoka abandoned them for that.

 

[a-dev]

Jye, I think you're making a lot of assumptions about what other people wanted which are not necessarily fair and accurate. But admittedly I know more about what I didn't want than what I did.

People wanted a perfect happily ever after ending for the ST hero's

Simple as that.

I get it.

The age of the actors was a huge problem in so many respects - in terms of how far past Return of the Jedi they had to set the movies - thus skipping over so much story and events - and in what they could plausibly have them do in the new movies.

For me the answer was, easiest to say in hindsight of course, don't make an Episode 7-9. Do your Rogue Ones and Solos, something to hook people back into classic Star Wars before you then go off and do your Old Republic trilogies etc.

 

[Khev]

Wait, are people ignoring the end of TLJ or is it more that they are so resentful of what position Luke was in at the start of TLJ (as initially dictated by TFA) that they just have no ***ks to give that Luke eventually came around?

Remember that exile island Luke was a George thing.

You can still hate it, and you can also hate TLJ's stated reason for him being on the island, but it didn't originate with TFA. It was them trying to honor George's starting point for his character while introducing the new.

And speaking of new...the notion that Rey was self-inserted into the ST by KK as some sort of perfect avatar of herself is utter nonsense (not that you yourself have ever said this a-dev.)

Here's "Kira", George's character, from before the TFA:

Hmm, looks a lot like a certain someone who appeared in the ST. And is she training with a single remote and a lightsaber? No, she's taking on over a dozen remotes with a *stick.* So she was always going to be a bit of "Luke on steroids." And that's from George, not KK.

Also when Rey did cheaply attack Luke from behind with her own stick he turned around and defeated and disarmed her easily so he did win his first on-screen duel post-OT Bravomite. It was only when she then cheated and ignited Youngling Slayer that he was taken aback and ceased fighting.

 

[jye4ever]

Jye, I think you're making a lot of assumptions about what other people wanted which are not necessarily fair and accurate. But admittedly I know more about what I didn't want than what I did.



The age of the actors was a huge problem in so many respects - in terms of how far past Return of the Jedi they had to set the movies - thus skipping over so much story and events - and in what they could plausibly have them do in the new movies.

For me the answer was, easiest to say in hindsight of course, don't make an Episode 7-9. Do your Rogue Ones and Solos, something to hook people back into classic Star Wars before you then go off and do your Old Republic trilogies etc.

a-dev maybe not you but I am referencing what the SWT guy is always complaining about.

I don't have to assume anything from him he makes his Luke gripe perfectly known on video.

 

[ironwez20]

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''That man has done more for Star Wars debate than you'll ever know. My single greatest regret is that his arguments must die for ours to live''

or something.

Meh. He just rides the ST cause he has duel personality

 

[JAWS]

Jye, I think you're making a lot of assumptions about what other people wanted which are not necessarily fair and accurate. But admittedly I know more about what I didn't want than what I did.The age of the actors was a huge problem in so many respects - in terms of how far past Return of the Jedi they had to set the movies - thus skipping over so much story and events - and in what they could plausibly have them do in the new movies.For me the answer was, easiest to say in hindsight of course, don't make an Episode 7-9. Do your Rogue Ones and Solos, something to hook people back into classic Star Wars before you then go off and do your Old Republic trilogies etc.

For the record I meant to say OT hero's

 

[ironwez20]

Hey Ironwez.. To be fair he just pulled what you did to me in the other thread..

Maybe he just cant handle someone complaining about something in the ST when the PT does it just as bad or in our opinions worse.

Let me remind you

So anybody who likes the ST more then the PT is not allowed to do this?? Hmmmmmmm.

And did I say that? No. But it?s proven to me that the PT is constantly on your minds and being brought up in every argument.

O the PT sucks and the ST did this better. Well atleast it?s not as bad as the PT. Well Luke was written better than anakin.

Like your trying to convince yourself it?s better when it?s not.

In all my arguments I don?t bring up the ST unless it?s being compared to PT I don?t bring it up first. You guys do. You know why? Cause your stuck on it. You secretly seem to love it or hate so much that it?s widely accepted. Stop excusing blantant fanboy behavior just cause they are on your side.

Also quit acting like JYE is this innocent saint. Look at the guys comments. His hate erection for the PT is hilarious. Dude brings it up when it?s not even being talked about. So of course he?s gonna get called out .